White Linen Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 1 hour ago, ScottLaw said: Doubling down on a bust FA signing last year. Not a fan. Gotta hope Knox and Sweeney develop. This response is just not understanding the high IQ of a real GM. We aren't going to come anywhere near spending to the cap because our biggest obligations come next year and the following. Contracts that end in 2020 are irrelevant. This move, while subtle and maybe totally uneventful - shows how smart Beane is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Fan of St Augustine Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 Saving money for future RFA signings down the road? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 This is a great move. Kroft is the best all around TE on the team when healthy. Knox will be better once he gets the drops under control. Kroft is a solid blocker and pass catcher. From all accounts everyone really like Kroft and was bummed he was hurt last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Don Otreply said: This move tells me the are likely to run with the current makeup of the TE room. Of course I could be wrong. Me too. I was really hoping for an upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 Beane is making moves like he's strapped for cash, not like he has top 3 cap space in the NFL. This is awesome. Beane is a great general manager. This is exactly how you should behave. Such discipline. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardhatharry Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 2 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Doubling down on a bust FA signing last year. Not a fan. Gotta hope Knox and Sweeney develop. They didn't double down... They made it easier to cut if he sucks this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 This tells me you better dismiss any fantasy of Hooper or Henry being a Buffalo Bill ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 1 hour ago, White Linen said: It means Beane is an excellent GM. You got to give him credit, he is always working the cap. Some teams wonder how they get into trouble without being proactive. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Bronxbomber21 said: And what if he has a awesome year? I don't get this move Are you serious? Or is this sarcasm? It sure would be nice if he had a awesome year...that would certainly help the bills. Dawson Knox is the future of this team not Kroft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 2 hours ago, gonzo1105 said: Basically the Bills guaranteed his contract this year of 3.6 million out of the paycut. Got rid of the 3rd year so basically the Bills have him more guaranteed money probably locking him in from 2020 but have the flexibility to get out from under his contract This. A good move all around. And if they get more competition and he sucks they cut him now and they dont have 2021 dead cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 3 hours ago, aristocrat said: hopefully this does not mean we won’t go after Hooper. He is the best FA receiver out there IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardhatharry Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: hopefully this does not mean we won’t go after Hooper. He is the best FA receiver out there IMO. Who is Hooper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, Hardhatharry said: Who is Hooper? Austin Hooper, TE from Atlanta 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 3 hours ago, billsfan89 said: I think so but now they get a chance to see what he has to offer in camp and kick the tires before cutting him. In fact they get less dead cap if they cut him late in camp than they would if they just cut him outright. 3 hours ago, njbuff said: I don't disagree, but their thinking is that they are going to give him more than one year to prove he isn't a bust. I would move on, but my vote means nothing. ? This will be his 6th year in the league. He has one complete season, where he maxed out at 400 yards. He's been on IR on 2 teams. What else would you need to declare failure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardhatharry Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: This makes more sense.... but tells me they aren’t targeting a TE in FA which is a little disappointing. B.c they shortened a guys contract to make more cap room? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: This will be his 6th year in the league. He has one complete season, where he maxed out at 400 yards. He's been on IR on 2 teams. What else would you need to declare failure? I am just telling you their thought process. I would have cut him yesterday though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 3 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said: Apparently the last year was restructured. If they cut him after this year I think, we get a compensatory pick ? I believe cutting a player does not account into comp picks. May be that is why they restructured so that his contract expires at the end of the year and losing him makes us eligible for a pick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 He did have that great catch for a TD vs the Steelers on SNF. Here's hoping he catches a few more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) Have to think they're happy going into next year with Knox and Kroft as #1/#2, Smith as #3, and Sweeney to continue developing, with the expectation that Knox develops into a true starter. If Sweeney comes along well enough, they can ditch Kroft after this next year. Edited March 13, 2020 by Rubes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 This is tremendous cap management by Beane. Kroft underperformed his contract last year, presumably due to an Injury. This gives him an opportunity to prove that was a fluke, while reducing the Bills’ downside risk, and frees the team to invest in other TE option should if they desire. Very good job by the management team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Beane is working his magic. I hope they address most areas and leave WR open, then draft 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 For a FO that values availability, this is a head scratching move. He should have been cut outright with whatever financial implication that brought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 3 hours ago, wppete said: I have a feeling Beane has something big up his sleeve in FA or a big trade!!!! He is freeing up even more money. Can’t wait till Wednesday! Him and Star can conceivably be used as trade bate now (not sure of the market value), but it also allows us to sign their longer term replacements and allow us to either keep them for great depth for a run or are they are now very cut able. Great move again 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 3 hours ago, HappyDays said: Cutting his salary and taking a year off of his deal is the polar opposite of doubling down. hatred can be a blinding proposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 34 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said: For a FO that values availability, this is a head scratching move. He should have been cut outright with whatever financial implication that brought. Gives more flexibility with the contract though perhaps tradable now? i am not concerned about the te position we drafted 2 good ones last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Bronxbomber21 said: And what if he has a awesome year? I don't get this move i kinda agree. why lose the option on next year in case he does well Edited March 13, 2020 by IgotBILLStopay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Gives more flexibility with the contract though perhaps tradable now? i am not concerned about the te position we drafted 2 good ones last year Which team would want to trade anything for Kroft ? Perhaps he is tradable from a contractual standpoint, but practically he will have little to no value in the trade market. As for stability at the TE position, I need to see more from Knox to declare victory at that position. I hope the drops were due to his over-exuberance as a rook and not due to a chronic issue. I am always one to tell you that we cannot have superstars at multiple spots on a team but I wouldnt mind acquiring a reliable TE who is at the sunset of his career and can help Allen with a reliable option on critical downs. ("who" you ask ? "I am too lazy to look" I say) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Kroft snagged that TD pass in Pittsburgh to win the game. Hell of a route, great catch. The guy has talent, let's see if he can stay healthy. He's got one more shot. He knows he's on the clock. I don't have a problem with this move at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 I’m good with this. I’m guessing he was a goner if they signed Olsen. But they probably like him better than the mid tier free agents at tight end, so might as well keep him. I dont think they spend big on Hooper or Henry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VirginiaMike Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 I like this move as well as the Spain resigning. Hopefully, he returns to a level that she showed early in his career and provides some relief for out future TE Knox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Fan in Chicago said: Which team would want to trade anything for Kroft ? Perhaps he is tradable from a contractual standpoint, but practically he will have little to no value in the trade market. As for stability at the TE position, I need to see more from Knox to declare victory at that position. I hope the drops were due to his over-exuberance as a rook and not due to a chronic issue. I am always one to tell you that we cannot have superstars at multiple spots on a team but I wouldnt mind acquiring a reliable TE who is at the sunset of his career and can help Allen with a reliable option on critical downs. ("who" you ask ? "I am too lazy to look" I say) I am just not concerned about it because of Knox and sweeney if we were counting on Kroft I would be more concerned we need wide receivers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 5 hours ago, junior12thman92 said: Can someone please explain this in simple terms/what this indicates? Is the main value of this that we don't have him on the books for 2021-22? Why not just cut him? Prove it deal- if not c ya. Cutting him outright is a larger cap hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 My guess is they are saying they want him to compete for the TE3 role and keep him as insurance if we can't sign another TE in FA. 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: This will be his 6th year in the league. He has one complete season, where he maxed out at 400 yards. He's been on IR on 2 teams. What else would you need to declare failure? So even if they declare failure, they still save $ when they cut him. Why don't you like cap savings??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 5 hours ago, wppete said: I have a feeling Beane has something big up his sleeve in FA or a big trade!!!! He is freeing up even more money. Can’t wait till Wednesday! I gotta agree. All these deals are team friendly and strategic. Can't wait to see how things work out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 7 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Ugh. Dude should be cut. 6 hours ago, Buffalo619 said: No Thanks. Cut him. Our front office is too nice. This is football. And why is there urgency to do that? Let him go to camp and if he doesn't produce they can cut him then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Another good move. I like Kroft at #2 TE. Knox is going to be a best for the next 5 years. They will find a new #2 when Kroft leaves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) I don’t see a tight end being drafted or a free agent brought in this offseason. I think they roll with Knox, Kroft, Smith, Sweeney and maybe bring Croom back. Edited March 13, 2020 by CaptnCoke11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Also reinforces the belief Knox has more celebrity relatives than Kroft. You’re not a TE on the Buffalo Bills unless your relative is signing autographs. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 1 hour ago, CaptnCoke11 said: I don’t see a tight end being drafted or a free agent brought in this offseason. I think they roll with Knox, Kroft, Smith, Sweeney and maybe bring Croom back. I think there is a good chance they pick one up on day 3. There are a few boom or bust and developmental type TEs who will be there in the 5th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Good move. The team now has ultimate control over a TE who has shown some excellent play but routinely sidelined with injury. If his injury days are behind him, we have a great TE stable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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