Mr. WEO Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: It's a mother tiger eating her young (old) to survive Their franchise QB is fading fast. They need a new one and find themselves at 0-8 with a solid group of QBs in the draft. So they pull their starter and put in Curtis Painter. There is no way anyone in that FO thinks the backup will do much better. They are counting on the opposite. Bill Polian approves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 24 minutes ago, Jerome007 said: "Bridge QB" or "good game manager" fits him well. So many "haters" have called Allen a bust from day one. My own concern, is that he becomes a guy on Dalton's level, or Stafford's, Flacco's. etc.: quite good but not great. Good enough you don't want to get rid of him, but not great enough for the higher level games. I'm not saying that's what will happen! Just that it's my concern. Josh is already a better QB we've had for years and years. You have to go back to Beldsoe & Flutie. And he's still learning! Bengals are dumb IF they don't have another option already though. KC could change from Alex Smith as they had Mahomes. The Panthers and Jaguars now see they have another option at QB. Do the Bengals have one? I don't see that at all. I see Allen as total boom or total bust. He either makes it as an upper echelon franchise QB or washes out of the league entirely. He isn't really a caretaker of the football. He isn't a cerebral player. He doesn't throw with much precision/accuracy/precision. He has difficulty operating a standard NFL offense. Allen was a polarizing prospect because of his skill set and will most likely have a polarizing career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 And on his birthday no less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nester Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 I did not think Andy was the problem. They should do him a favor and release him so he can play for a non horrible team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojo44 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 I could see Dalton having a pretty good second act to his career if he lands in the right place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plano Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 48 minutes ago, KD in CA said: Welcome to Buffalo, Andy Dalton! Fixed it for you. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Any chance they flip him to Chicago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 57 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Holy smoke. Agreed. He is not playing that badly - a few too many picks, but part of that is trying hard to make something happen, without a true #1 guy he can target with AJ Green out. Wonder if Denver will be on the phone seeking a trade. Da' Bears should jump all over this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Bengals and Dolphins game is going to get flexxxxxxxxxed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: I wonder if they trade him... bears? Gummy? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socal-805 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 hour ago, oldmanfan said: Yeah, there's a guy on this board who would take him just for that, because he'd rather see a Bills QB throw for over 300 yards than a Bills win. Da Bears have to take a look. HuHH! What!!??!! Who! When ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, Gary Busey said: Bengals and Dolphins game is going to get flexxxxxxxxxed To a Friday night, and be watched by less people than a rural high school game, or a rerun of ‘America’s Funniest Videos’ - a Saget rerun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 hour ago, CLTbills said: Wow. Didn't see that coming. I don't watch a lot of Bengals games, but it doesn't seem like QB play is really the problem...... It's not, that coach is a one and done. Dalton will find the grass is greener elsewhere and oh how they must want Marvin Lewis back in Cincy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Dalton has not been the problem. It's the rest of the gang that's misfiring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 hour ago, PetermansRedemption said: Ryan Finley’s first start will be against the Ravens ? and Finley will go on to have a 400+ yard 3 TD game so people can all cry about how bad Josh is some more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Finley looked really good in preseason. I thought he was an under the radar guy coming out of the ACC. I always liked his game. Heck even the kid from Hamburg, their 3rd string QB looked promising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: He threw for 329 vs the Rams on Sunday Can you spell tank? At least the phins are trotting out the best of the players that they have left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 hour ago, WMDman said: end of an era thank you Andy for getting us to the playoffs I’ll never understand why praise isn’t heaped upon the QBs of the other 6 teams that dealt the Ravens losses that season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Tanking has officially begun. I feel bad for Dalton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Nextmanup said: Funny how long it takes these organizations to realize Quarterback X isn't good enough. How many years did Cinci waste spinning wheels with Dalton and Mavin Lewis before this? How many years did Miami kill waiting for Tannehill to get good? How many years will the Bills waste waiting for Josh Allen to be less "raw" and "gain experience"? We'll find out I guess! Allen has 17 games played. Dalton 128. Maybe somewhere in the middle is good. To me the logical point to stop is when there is on further improvement and the status quo is not good enough. Allen is far from that problem right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 2 hours ago, McBean said: I’m gonna get crushed for this but throw them a 5th rounder for him. Why? 2 hours ago, prissythecat said: Cinci had about 2 seasons a few years back where their team had elite talent on both sides of the ball and probably should have gone deep into playoffs . However, they were always 1 and done . And I believe Dalton's play was a major contributor. I mean they had a playoff game won with McCarron until Vontaze Burfect starting head hunting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 2 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said: Are we in that different of a situation than the Bears? I guess you gotta give Allen the rest of the year, but I’d absolutely go after Dalton in the off-season if Allen doesn’t progress. Glad you arent running the team Josh has gotten MUCH better this year. Far more consistent. His biggest issue has been ball security which I'm sure will be a point of emphasis going forward for him. I'm not crowning him yet, but the Bills would be crazy to move on from him for Andy Dalton And I like Dalton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 2 hours ago, CLTbills said: Wow. Didn't see that coming. I don't watch a lot of Bengals games, but it doesn't seem like QB play is really the problem...... I think you're correct about the QB play. He has pretty good stats given that they have no o-line and bad defense. Problem in Cincinnati is the ownership. Brown is a knuckle dragger and should have sold the team years ago. Dalton will be around the league for a while yet. He would be an immediate upgrade for Denver, Washington, Tampa Bay, Titans, and Chicago. He could be an effective bridge guy for any of those teams if they are developing young players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Apparently they benched him on his birthday. Poor Andy. I got fired on my 30th lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: He threw a bunch of picks a couple weeks ago. He’s the type of QB who can be really good with a really good supporting cast. If he doesn’t have that, he can’t overcome it. Sounds like josh Allen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 I just found this on the Interweb Then I looked at the date Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Trying to gauge the mind set of the Bengals GM. Its very possible tanking for Tua may have entered the thought process. Thus the Dalton benching. So do you want to trade away arguably the best supporting cast player on the roster. Probably not. Would a QB like Tua change Greens mind set, probably so IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 4 hours ago, Nextmanup said: Funny how long it takes these organizations to realize Quarterback X isn't good enough. How many years did Cinci waste spinning wheels with Dalton and Mavin Lewis before this? How many years did Miami kill waiting for Tannehill to get good? How many years will the Bills waste waiting for Josh Allen to be less "raw" and "gain experience"? We'll find out I guess! If someone has been a complete bust since December 2, 2018 they should be cut not a veteran. 2 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said: I got fired on my 30th lol I got a call once at home on my birthday that I was being laid off and no need to go to work, they would return my things (they did not return everything and I do not know if some heard about it and raided my desk or they filled the box and did not bother what did not fit). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 29, 2019 Author Share Posted October 29, 2019 Joe Burrow would be a nice fit for that offense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 went to a Bengals home game in 2015. It was clear they didn't rust him to throw in the Red Zone. He's just another guy in the mold of Neil O'Donnell or Sam Bradford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Joe Burrow would be a nice fit for that offense I can tell by that guy's name that he will bust. Edited October 30, 2019 by 4merper4mer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 The problem is the HC. The sooner they recognize that the better off they will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 30, 2019 Author Share Posted October 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, GreggTX said: The problem is the HC. The sooner they recognize that the better off they will be. But he knows what flavor creamer McVay takes in his coffee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 9 hours ago, dave mcbride said: He is not the problem there. I don't think he's the solution either. Which ... ultimately makes him a problem. 6 hours ago, london_bills said: Sounds like josh Allen? No. Allen is the type that can be really good no matter what he has around him, or really bad no matter what he has around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 I know this isn’t what this thread is really about but I’d totally be cool with making a move for Dalton in the offseason. Best case he is an exceptional backup. If the worst happens and Allen becomes a bust, you have another out here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 PISSED. I had AJ Green stashed on my fantasy team all year for this crap to happen right before he comes back. WTF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 9 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said: Glad you arent running the team Josh has gotten MUCH better this year. Far more consistent. His biggest issue has been ball security which I'm sure will be a point of emphasis going forward for him. I'm not crowning him yet, but the Bills would be crazy to move on from him for Andy Dalton And I like Dalton We have a much tougher schedule next year. If the team plays like they have this year, against pretty bad teams, we will be tough to win more than 8 games. Dalton wouldn’t be a straight het swap. He’d be an insurance policy incase Allen doesn’t assert himself as a top half QB in the NFL. We can save the season, and move on the following year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 8 hours ago, Figster said: Trying to gauge the mind set of the Bengals GM. Its very possible tanking for Tua may have entered the thought process. Thus the Dalton benching. So do you want to trade away arguably the best supporting cast player on the roster. Probably not. Would a QB like Tua change Greens mind set, probably so IMO. FA is before the draft. Green has to make his decision before knowing what QB they take 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven-N-Nine Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 17 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: Agreed. AAaaand he’d be an upgrade over everyone we have behind Josh. I think he could be an upgrade over Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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