HiddenInLight Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 The guy is really good. He's the second biggest jackass in the league, behind AB, but hed give us a legit shot at stopping Brady from picking us apart as usual. He'd probably be fine with the process as long as the team keeps winning. As much as I hate him as a person, I hate losing to NE more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 I love the "pay Tre" logic. Tre is good, not elite, you just don't get better by not trying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 7 hours ago, Hebert19 said: Hear me out. MCD loves him some D. We are in good call standing. He's young. We are 2 and 0 with an already strong D. We have depth where Jacksonville may need help. Who wants Zay Jones?? :). Zay, Wallace, and a 2nd round pick for Ramsey. Call up Duke and we can stake claim to best secondary on the league by far to chase Brady. Not at all. Fitzpatrick was an option because he could play inside/outside/safety - he gives teams a flexibility to counter and match formations. Ramsey is strictly outside and wants man. Not a good fit. Ramsey talks to much trash compared to his play. Not a good fit. Ramsey wants to be overpaid for his play. Not a good fit. In short - Ramsey does not feel like an option at all. Not even a tiny bit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george c Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 7 hours ago, Hebert19 said: Hear me out. MCD loves him some D. We are in good call standing. He's young. We are 2 and 0 with an already strong D. We have depth where Jacksonville may need help. Who wants Zay Jones?? :). Zay, Wallace, and a 2nd round pick for Ramsey. Call up Duke and we can stake claim to best secondary on the league by far to chase Brady. Obviously, you don’t have a clue about what the coach and GM are building here, and an attitude like Ramsey would be the LAST thing allowed through the doors at OBD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Put his locker next to Allen’s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 I would have liked Fitzpatrick (although didn’t want to do a 1st). He was a guy that could have taken us to the next level. Ramsey has the talent to do the same but is potentially a problem in the locker room. The Bills don’t need that at the moment. I’m passing on him for the reason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Well they tried to trade for one idiot (AB) so I guess this would be a possibility but he does not seem like a Buffalo Bill type 5 minutes ago, DCofNC said: I love the "pay Tre" logic. Tre is good, not elite, you just don't get better by not trying. You also just don't just get better by adding "talent". This has been proven over and over. Personalities, off the field issues, attitude, contract are also taken into account among other things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 I hope he gets traded to the Dolphins. I'm guessing he winds up a Cowboy or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 41 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I would have liked Fitzpatrick (although didn’t want to do a 1st). He was a guy that could have taken us to the next level. Ramsey has the talent to do the same but is potentially a problem in the locker room. The Bills don’t need that at the moment. I’m passing on him for the reason. Fitzpatrick's versatility in our defense would have been NICE. Ramsey to some extent is a duplication of Tre, only wants to play man to man, no zone and is not a "process" guy. Look for Philly / Seattle here, both are desperate for help in the back half and usually aggressive enough to put up what it would take in trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Hell no. Watkins burnt that big mouths face off already. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 8 hours ago, Big Blitz said: They'll never trade him in conference. I feel like he's going to the Packers or Falcons. Oh come on. Most people say that teams don’t like to trade within their Division but within the Conference? That’s a bit of a stretch. What’s next...within the League? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 9 hours ago, Paulus said: Not a process type guy. That said, I'd like to see the Bills use a 3d and Zay for the 1 year rental of Ramsey. Itd make the season a smidge more interesting. You wanna compete with the Pats, you go get Jalen Ramsey and put opposite Tre White. Process guy?? Come on, he was coached by St. Doug. Yeldon left the sainthood. I'd go talk to Yeldon and ask his opinion of Ramsey and the situation in Jax with St. Doug. If Yeldon gives the thumbs up, then I'm going in. Hell, maybe Josh will invite him to live with him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Seems like a process kind of guy. LOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 ...I'd take BUSTER Ramsey first......... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 (edited) It makes zero sense. Yes he’s a great talent( I’m even a homer as an FSU fan) but he’s a problem child when this team has great chemistry. The Bills would have to pay him a ton of money. They also already had the # 1 pass defense in the NFL last year and seem to be headed for top 5 again this year. Why would you disrupt that chemistry especially when you have Levi Wallace on a dirt cheap contract and fits in with the other 3 guys in the secondary. Ramsey comes in and wants to be the alpha dog in that secondary. If were trading for defense it should be for pass rush Edited September 17, 2019 by gonzo1105 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 The Bills let Gilmore go due to switching to a zone defense. Ramsey would not fit for the same reason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: Oh come on. Most people say that teams don’t like to trade within their Division but within the Conference? That’s a bit of a stretch. What’s next...within the League? Trade him to the British Football League! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, BillsMafia13 said: Trade him to the British Football League! Ramsey would be the first Pathways crossover...why not! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 10 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: Why give up a starting DB in Wallace who is dirt cheap and is probably no worse than a top 30 CB? Draft picks I would be fine with. Taron Johnson ok. Zay or Foster i'm ok with too. This is not an endorsement for the Jaylen trade, but Levi is being totally exposed this year. He's a bottom tier starting CB and nowhere near a Top 30 corner. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 I almost think you want to blow up the 2019 Bills team with this move. Great talent is not worth the negative impact. When I was working, these were called "high maintenance" people. Good at their jobs, created problems that offset the good work. Never wanted them on my team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said: I almost think you want to blow up the 2019 Bills team with this move. Great talent is not worth the negative impact. When I was working, these were called "high maintenance" people. Good at their jobs, created problems that offset the good work. Never wanted them on my team. I agree. Ramsey would be a great addition. Excellent talent, but his behavior is probably not going to change. A player of his calibre would make beating the Pats a lot easier. Edited September 17, 2019 by Rocket94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 I like the idea of talking to Yeldon. The Bills at least have to look into it. It gives us a near pro-bowl caliber player at EVERY position in the secondary. That said, if the due diligence turns up that he is a pain in the a**, and won't play zone (as oppossed to not wanting to play it for blow-hard st. doug), then that's a no. Also, I wouldn't part with a 1st for him. Here is a list of UFA Cb's next year: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/ufa/cornerback/ (not sure if there are many good ones on the list). There might be other CB's up for sale near the trade deadline that will be a better fit for the culture. Now, I'm in the do the due diligence camp, but I don't envision a positive report coming from that, or the trade price being okay (I'd do no more than a 3rd). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBD Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 10 hours ago, hmsmystic said: I wouldn't pay that much for him for a 1 year rental. He does't seem to fit into our culture- fighting with coaches, driving the bus over every qb in the nfl and pulling into camp in a brinks truck Also he is going to want a FORTUNE come contract time, and I'd rather see the $$ go to Tre D He's got two years left on his deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBoots8 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Sure. Let’s sign him. Then when he comes into the Locke room all of his stuff is sitting in a big trash can with a picture of Josh winking at him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 No. Friggin'. Way. Trading for Jalen Ramsey would be the most un-process thing ever. They've got Tre White who will need to be paid, and they're not going to pay two CBs "lock-down" money. This just isn't going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 (edited) I do not see a player like Ramsey fitting into the culture in Buffalo. Great talent no doubt, but I would keep the draft pick and draft my own CB next year. Edited September 17, 2019 by Bob in STL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Wonder why the Stillers didn't trade for Ramsey instead of Fitzpatrick...maybe asking price was too high, or maybe deal with Dolphins was already done before it was known that Ramsey was on the market. I don't think J-ville gets more than a first for Ramsey, given his baggage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 (edited) He's another guy who will disappear once he's paid. There's no "I want to be the best CB in NFL history" fire there IMO. Edited September 17, 2019 by dpberr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eanyills Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 People buy into “the process” way too much. If the staff felt Ramsey would be a benefit to the team and the cost was right, regardless of his fit with the “culture,” he would be on this team. The process doesn’t mean never having any guys like Ramsey. It means building an environment where guys like him can thrive among the rest as part of a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 1 hour ago, GG said: This is not an endorsement for the Jaylen trade, but Levi is being totally exposed this year. He's a bottom tier starting CB and nowhere near a Top 30 corner. Au contraire -- in the past two games, Wallace has shown himself to be the master of the not-looking-back-at-the-QB-pass-breakup-that-borders-on-PI-but-luckily-isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elijah Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 I don’t understand how people think every player that hits the trade block would be a fit for us. Doesn’t fit the culture or process that McD preaches, and our primary defense is a zone coverage defense. Ramsey wants out of jacksonville because they play too much zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, elijah said: I don’t understand how people think every player that hits the trade block would be a fit for us. Doesn’t fit the culture or process that McD preaches, and our primary defense is a zone coverage defense. Ramsey wants out of jacksonville because they play too much zone. Josh Norman became a household name in this defense. Ramsey would be in a better situation here. Jax plays the same dated Seattle cover 3. That defense is going the way of the tampa 2. Its been around so long teams know how to attack it. The end of the day, playoff football becomes match up football. Ramsey allows the Bill's to matchup with NE and Kc. Ramsey and White can help slow those offenses down. Right now the Bill's will have their handsful with both. Edited September 17, 2019 by Mat68 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Doug Marrone is hated among this fan base b/c he turned his back on the team/city, or at least is perceived as such. He is actually a pretty decent, no-nonsense HC, and he did as well with this team as any coach in a long time. I don't have a problem with him. If I'm McDermott, I would want to know why Marrone had a personal feud going with this guy....and I would be concerned that if Marrone didn't like his sorry ass, I wouldn't either. Long way of saying Ramsey is likely not a process guy, but I have no idea. I know nothing about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Great player but acts like a child. He is a head case, no thanks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 2 hours ago, the skycap said: You wanna compete with the Pats, you go get Jalen Ramsey and put opposite Tre White. Process guy?? Come on, he was coached by St. Doug. Yeldon left the sainthood. I'd go talk to Yeldon and ask his opinion of Ramsey and the situation in Jax with St. Doug. If Yeldon gives the thumbs up, then I'm going in. Hell, maybe Josh will invite him to live with him Wow, you took one sentence I said and addressed it, while completely ignoring the rest of what I said. I think I said I'd trade for him, even if just for a one year rental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Bulletin Board to English Translation: Hear me out = This is going to be silly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 16 minutes ago, Mat68 said: Josh Norman became a household name in this defense. Ramsey would be in a better situation here. Jax plays the same dated Seattle cover 3. That defense is going the way of the tampa 2. Its been around so long teams know how to attack it. The end of the day, playoff football becomes match up football. Ramsey allows the Bill's to matchup with NE and Kc. Ramsey and White can help slow those offenses down. Right now the Bill's will have their handsful with both. The Cover 2 is not the same as the Tampa 2. It has evolved and I believe is the most common base defense in the NFL today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Yikes. That feeling might be gas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 12 hours ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said: I was honestly thinking this earlier tonight. The trade war is on. I realize he seems to be a garbage human being but he may be able to thrive on a team like the Bills. Add him to our defense and maybe we have the one team that can Match up against the Pats. Ramsey, White, Poyer, Hyde, Milano, Edmunds, Taron Johnson. That looks pretty damn nice. Ramsey thrives in man to man coverage. We play primarily zone. Nuff said .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 absolutley no way this trade happens. Showing up to training camp in an armored truck for attention? Not a process guy. Not a Bills kind of guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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