RD 1, Pick 25: TE Dalton Kincaid, Utah

[BuffaloBob]

4 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I saw that as well. I keep seeing DK referred to as more of a "big slot". Like I said, I'm interested in seeing how the offense evolves. I'm not overly excited until I can see what they have in mind....but not grabbing the torches and pitchfork either. 

He gets excellent separation at the top of his routes. He is nearly 6’4”. He catches everything. He ran a huge number of his snaps from the slot. Who is covering him?  A nickel corner? Pitch and catch to move the sticks. Need I say more?

Edited April 28, 2023 by BuffaloBob

[TC in St. Louis]

36 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

Kincaid was my favorite prospect in the draft regardless of position. A star in the making if he can stay healthy and Dorsey/Allen take advantage of his skills. 

He had 35 touchdowns and 4 drops in his career.  Come on.  Incredible stat.

[Dan in Owego]

3 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

Honestly he wasn’t really on my radar. But I’m quickly warming up to the pick. I get the mismatches, can see how good his receiving ability is, and like that they took an offensive playmaker.

 

Don’t really see the Beasley/Slot comparisons. Just such different players. Kincaid isn’t getting open as quickly, but he’s going to catch the contested throws and then push for a few more yards.

 

Overall I like the pick.

 

Cant find his RAS - anyone have luck?

Injured late no testing, likely would have tested really well

[PrimeTime101]

4 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

So weird that a fanbase that watched a full season of red zone struggles would even complain about drafting a good tight end let alone the best one 

Sky High Ceiling with a great floor. might end up being a top 3 TE. 

[rusty shackleford]

I hear he can catch the ball…

[JoPoy88]

7 minutes ago, Bills Bud said:

We messed up

there’s no “we” here chief. Have another one.

[BuffaloRebound]

Smith-Njigba and Kincaid were the 2 best pass catching options in the draft.  We got one of them.  

[PBF81]

56 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

Unless there's a change in philosophy on offense, I don't get it.  

 

He's going to get less playing time and targets than Knox.  This helps us how, exactly?

 

Agreed, that pretty much sums it up for me as well, then trading up to get him and losing a 4th makes even less sense.  

 

I see him getting 4-500 yards and a few TDs, not what Beane needs to keep his job IMO.  I don't see it moving the needle this season, and on top of that, he only posted a handful of good games, all against crap defenses while being a couple of years older than everyone else on the field. 

 

[Big Blitz]

19 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

Knox has been among the league leaders in drop % almost every year in the NFL and was a poor route runner in college. Kincaid has some of the best hands I’ve ever seen in a TE and is a very good route runner. Their skill sets are almost nothing alike. 

 

Agreed.   
 

I mean this tape is tremendous.  We got the best TE in the draft a draft they said was a position of strength.  I’m pleased.  We just have to utilize him like this.  
 

It’s TE play we haven’t seen here - unless you count watching Travis Kelce doing this to us for years. 

 

 

 

[Alphadawg7]

54 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

I just wanna say screw everyone that mocked me for mocking Dalton Kincaid and laughed at it. He is an A++ pick for the Bills and a better prospect than Flowers, Addison, Johnston. Halfway through the year everyone is going to be glad we picked him 

Lol, you really shouldn’t post things for comments if you are gonna take them so personally and be so emotional.  
 

Good call on Kincaid, I think the part you forget is that people were only skeptical we would take Kincaid over a WR if both were on the board given how much more interest Bills were showing in a receiver.  
 

In the actual draft, all those 4 were gone.  No one was ever doubting the talent of Kincaid though.  
 

I just now hope Dorsey finds a way to make him a relevant part of the offense and maximizes his potential.  That has always been my sole concern about a TE in the first, would Dorsey get him enough targets.  
 

Good news is, sounds like they may use him more of a big slot rather than a traditional TE which I hope comes true.  

[Ralonzo]

1 hour ago, djp14150 said:

A slot receiver——

 

A big slot. If only the Bills had a big slot receiver last year, someone say 6'4" and with top-tier hands and plus short-area quickness.

 

Like that Hodgkins guy for the Jints.

[Houston's #1 Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Governor said:

It takes years for TEs to develop and contribute in a meaningful way.

So we just shouldn't draft them anymore?

[beerme1]

5 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I saw that as well. I keep seeing DK referred to as more of a "big slot". Like I said, I'm interested in seeing how the offense evolves. I'm not overly excited until I can see what they have in mind....but not grabbing the torches and pitchfork either. 

 

Please. You're on one side or the other. Getchya lighted pitchfork and come on down! For either side of course. 

[buffaloboyinATL]

54 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I thought going in, he was the best receiver in the draft.  Don’t obsess over TE “position”, he is a big receiver with excellent hands and toughness after the catch.  Not a traditional TE.

And cheaper than a WR. Pass catching TE's feel like a loophole to me.  Best "receiver" available by a long shot.  

[BigAl2526]

Knox is not going anywhere.  Drafting Kincaid probably means more two tight end formations.  Kincaid can block but he's a little small to be an in line blocker.  I expect he'll line up in the slot quite a bit.  Obviously, the give this pick the value we all hope it will have, Dorsey is going to have to get comfortable with designing and calling plays that involve passing the ball to tight ends.  Of course, Josh then needs to throw the ball to his tight ends.

[gonzo1105]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Lol, you really shouldn’t post things for comments if you are gonna take them so personally and be so emotional.  
 

Good call on Kincaid, I think the part you forget is that people were only skeptical we would take Kincaid over a WR if both were on the board given how much more interest Bills were showing in a receiver.  
 

In the actual draft, all those 4 were gone.  No one was ever doubting the talent of Kincaid though.  
 

I just now hope Dorsey finds a way to make him a relevant part of the offense and maximizes his potential.  That has always been my sole concern about a TE in the first, would Dorsey get him enough targets.  
 

Good news is, sounds like they may use him more of a big slot rather than a traditional TE which I hope comes true.  

Yea if you watch 10 seconds of his tape you would realize he’s not an in line TE anyone who thought that doesn’t know ball at all. 
 

You can put me back on ignore now. 

[Governor]

Just now, Houston's #1 Bills Fan said:

So we just shouldn't draft them anymore?

It doesn’t make much sense to draft one at the tail end of our SB window with a possible new regime arriving in 1-2 years.

[Nihilarian]

Buffalo got an offensive weapon for Josh and screwed the Cowboys at the same time...what could be better! 

[Warcodered]

11 minutes ago, BuffaloBob said:

As BB mentioned, they won’t be using him in 12 personal sets. He said, think of it like 11 and 1/2. 

I'm glad he's telling opposing defenses our gameplan so far ahead of time, I'm sure there's no chance we'll deviate from this at all.

[Ralonzo]

1 minute ago, Nihilarian said:

Buffalo got an offensive weapon for Josh and screwed the Cowboys at the same time...what could be better! 

Screwing the Dolphins/Jets/Patriots.

[Richard Noggin]

Basically drafted a more dangerous and complete version of Mike Gesicki, tbh

[Alphadawg7]

4 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

Yea if you watch 10 seconds of his tape you would realize he’s not an in line TE anyone who thought that doesn’t know ball at all. 
 

You can put me back on ignore now. 

Maybe I will put you on ignore, you’d be the first.  I was nothing but respectful to you, but you’ve been nothing but a pissy child when anyone had another opinion than you and always try and drag things to the mud for no reason.  I mean I even just gave you kudos on the Kincaid pick.  

Edited April 28, 2023 by Alphadawg7

[gonzo1105]

Just now, Warcodered said:

I'm glad he's telling opposing defenses our gameplan so far ahead of time, I'm sure there's no chance we'll deviate from this at all.

You can use 12 personnel without having two TEs in a 3 point on the line of scrimmage next to the Tackles.

 

if Kincaid is in the slot and Knox is in the traditional Y that’s still 12 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

8 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

Honestly he wasn’t really on my radar. But I’m quickly warming up to the pick. I get the mismatches, can see how good his receiving ability is, and like that they took an offensive playmaker.

 

Don’t really see the Beasley/Slot comparisons. Just such different players. Kincaid isn’t getting open as quickly, but he’s going to catch the contested throws and then push for a few more yards.

 

Overall I like the pick.

 

Cant find his RAS - anyone have luck?

The Beasley comparison makes sense to me given the context…if we go 12 personnel with Knox/Kincaid I don’t think you could possibly defend us in a base defense without creating a huge mismatch.

 

that could help out the run game a lot as well as knox , who has been getting pooped on in this thread 😂, is a pretty solid run blocker 

[Since1981]

Cole Beasley with size

 forces defense mismatch

bills learned from KC….hope Josh can find him

[JoPoy88]

1 minute ago, gonzo1105 said:

Yea if you watch 10 seconds of his tape you would realize he’s not an in line TE anyone who thought that doesn’t know ball at all. 
 

You can put me back on ignore now. 

good call on your mock. Next time when you end up being wrong I hope you’re just as pissy on yourself as you were on those that had the gall to question you this time around. 

[Kwai San]

53 minutes ago, 17islongenough said:

I swear last time everyone was this mad was Allen

True that!  And lookie what happened!

[Stank_Nasty]

I like the pick 

[Dr. Who]

49 minutes ago, Big C said:

I do agree the 4th rounder feels like a lot for two spots at the end of the first but whatever. Beane knows he is getting is comp picks next year. 

Jumping Dallas. Jerry Jones sad. Bills offense much more dangerous. Definitely worth it.

And just because I'm sure no one has noticed. Yawning Frog hates the pick.

[beerme1]

4 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

Agreed, that pretty much sums it up for me as well, then trading up to get him and losing a 4th makes even less sense.  

 

I see him getting 4-500 yards and a few TDs, not what Beane needs to keep his job IMO.  I don't see it moving the needle this season, and on top of that, he only posted a handful of good games, all against crap defenses while being a couple of years older than everyone else on the field. 

 

 

This pick, considering what was available, and the potential of this pick, with your comment of Beane needing to keep his job makes me feel even more confident in this pick. If Beane was worried about his job, do you think this is what he would have come up with? Really? LOL! Beane scored here regardless of your belief.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 hour ago, Mango said:

For the millionth time. Dawson Knox runs as many routes as any TE in the league not named Kelce. 
 

We keep grabbing receiving RB and TE’s and refuse to throw them the ball. They’re running routes. 

Bills have drafted four TE's in the last 15 years.  Knox was the highest in the third round.  Hardly an over investment in TEs.  

 

Now RB's you get no argument from me there.  

[ndirish1978]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Jumping Dallas. Jerry Jones sad. Bills offense much more dangerous. Definitely worth it.

And just because I'm sure no one has noticed. Yawning Frog hates the pick.

https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp?RequestTeam=BUF

 

moving up 2 spot was 40 points - our 4th rounder is worth 42. The trade was in line with the value of the move. 

Edited April 28, 2023 by ndirish1978

[gonzo1105]

Just now, ndirish1978 said:

https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp?RequestTeam=BUF

 

moving up 2 spot was 40 points - our 4th rounder is worth 42. The trade was in line with the value of the move. 

Like I said knowing Beane he’ll move down his 2 to a 3 and recoup that 4 tomorrow if he can 

[Alphadawg7]

2 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

good call on your mock. Next time when you end up being wrong I hope you’re just as pissy on yourself as you were on those that had the gall to question you this time around. 

💯 

[Dr.Sack]

I’m one of the geeks that pays PFF $6 a month to have full access but basically use the draft simulator. Kincaid was always gone by 27. I drafted him but only in wild trade up scenarios. I’m perfectly fine with this pick. All the good WRs with Rd 1 grades were long gone and we needed to add a slot weapon. Kincaid is a mismatch and is NFL ready to contribute year 1 in his age 24 season. Go Bills!

[JoPoy88]

10 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

Agreed, that pretty much sums it up for me as well, then trading up to get him and losing a 4th makes even less sense.  

 

I see him getting 4-500 yards and a few TDs, not what Beane needs to keep his job IMO.  I don't see it moving the needle this season, and on top of that, he only posted a handful of good games, all against crap defenses while being a couple of years older than everyone else on the field. 

 

Oh that’s what you “see” him doing? Based on what? The fact you’re a fan of some other team who comes here to troll? 
 

And you think Beane is anywhere close to a hotseat? Bad news bro.

[BeastMode54]

I just read that Kincaid had a 35:4 TD:Drop ratio in college. That's just f'in insane

[BuffaloBob]

8 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Buffalo got an offensive weapon for Josh and screwed the Cowboys at the same time...what could be better! 

Beating them in next year’s Super Bowl!  But this will do for now!  😆

[Bills Bud]

They drafted Dawson Knox again basically 

[JoPoy88]

1 minute ago, BeastMode54 said:

I just read that Kincaid had a 35:4 TD:Drop ratio in college. That's just f'in insane

Insane and true.