RD 1, Pick 25: TE Dalton Kincaid, Utah

[Process]

I've changed my tune on this pick. At the end of the day we needed more weapons for Josh, and he was the best offensive weapon available.

 

I would have much rather seen them go with Harrison and get the o line shored up. But can't be mad at this pick. 

 

It's all on Dorsey and Josh. They didn't utilize Knox nearly as much as they should have last year. Now they have two TEs to feed. They need to figure it out. 

[Beck Water]

50 minutes ago, DJB said:

We know Dorsey loves to run two TE sets Kincaid is perfect.

 

Elite upside and we wanted more help for Josh

 

 

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

From PFN:

 

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Is there a better pass catcher at the tight end position in the 2023 NFL Draft than Kincaid? If there is, I’m yet to study them in this cycle, and we’ve been working on scouting reports since the Monday after last year’s draft. There are wide receivers in this class, in college football, and in the NFL that could learn a thing or two about corralling a catch from the Utah tight end.

Starting his scouting report anywhere other than what Kincaid brings to the table as a receiver would be malpractice, an injustice, and a waste of an opportunity to study greatness. If the ball is even marginally in the vicinity of the Utah tight end, there’s a legitimate chance that he’s going to be the one coming down with it.

 

 

Use him as a slot WR. I don't care if the blocking is coming slow, the Bills have seen what Travis Kelce can do one time too many. 

[Alphadawg7]

Just now, Floydboy12 said:

To get the best player at his position where we drafted is a win. This kids a weapon. 

I think this kid has big time potential.  I’m excited about his potential, just hope Dorsey figures out how to get him meaningful targets.  I was frustrated we didn’t use Knox more last year when we weren’t getting good enough play from the slot. 

Talent has arrived, now the pressure is on Dorsey to make this kid an important part of the offense.  I do also love adding another big target for those cold weather games too.

[PrimeTime101]

29 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

 

If this does not tell you guys that Kincaid will be our new #1 TE and how elite and high ceiling this guy has? then Idk what to say...

[Goin Breakdown]

70 catches as a senior. Will essentially be a big slot. I'll wait to complain until I see I need to lol

[MAJBobby]

6 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

On McAfee, they asked him about trading picks tomorrow for Hopkins - his face made it seem like a nope and he basically said his focus this weekend is on the draft and making picks

I don’t think Hopkins gets moved during this weekend. He is a post draft trade using the 2024 picks. As we got closer to the draft that was my feeling with his situation. 

[Nephilim17]

Saw some tape of him now and I had a poop-eating grin the whole time. Too big for CBs, too savvy and quick for LBs.

We got a first-down machine who will not drop the ball. Love it

 

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[papazoid]

PFF  ranked Kincaid #10 best  prospect

 

At 240 pounds,  bridges the gap between tight end and wide receiver. 

 

Kincaid can be a focal point of an offense with his route-running ability after recording 70 catches for 890 yards at Utah last season.

[Buffarukus]

50 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

I just wanna say screw everyone that mocked me for mocking Dalton Kincaid and laughed at it. He is an A++ pick for the Bills and a better prospect than Flowers, Addison, Johnston. Halfway through the year everyone is going to be glad we picked him 

 

wow good job. im warming up to it after watching film. this is def BPA. does this put knox on the bench more or is kincaid our #3 full time slot? 

 

im not mad at the pick if i had more confidence in dorsey. im not a fan of how he uses weopons and kincaid/knox combo i feel one is going to end up contributing nothing. if its knox that's alot of cap in the trash. dorsey just seems like he needs a vanilla offense with really good players at concrete positions. not alot of interesting shifts of roles happening in which i think both guys can eat.

Edited April 28, 2023 by Buffarukus

[Casey D]

3 minutes ago, eball said:

At times like these I need to constantly remind myself that anyone can create a screen name and post.

 

To paraphrase George Carlin-- think how stupid the average person is.  Then realize that half the people are even dumber.

[Alphadawg7]

28 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

My guess only JSN and Addison were on his board as a first round grade

[muppy]

Remember when people wanted Zach Ertz? Well we just got a younger version of him according to NFL.com

Edited April 28, 2023 by muppy

[Bills Bud]

We messed up

[BuffaloBob]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

What I meant by that was more of Dorsey's usage of 2 TE sets. Understand that our #2 TE last year was Morris and that may have dictated the rational for less of those sets.  I'm very interested to see what Dorsey has in mind. Based on last year as it's all we have to go by I am skeptical....however open minded to see how the offense evolves as opposed to slamming Dorsey or the pick at this time. 

As BB mentioned, they won’t be using him in 12 personal sets. He said, think of it like 11 and 1/2. 

[JaCrispy]

52 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Can he block?  That's all TE's do in this offense.

Only the ones that can’t catch…😉

[ExWNYer]

Welcome to Buffalo, Dalton. Good luck and make it impossible for them to take you off the field.

[familykwi]

52 minutes ago, wjag said:

I’m surprised. How TE was number one need is s head scratcher. 

It’s not a need pick

[DrDawkinstein]

Bills Social Media team still undefeated

 

 

[BullBuchanan]

51 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

BPA.

You can't say BPA when you traded up for the guy.

[blacklabel]

Solid pick. I like it. To celebrate, I made not one, but two PB&Js. 

[Bills Bud]

3 minutes ago, Process said:

I've changed my tune on this pick. At the end of the day we needed more weapons for Josh, and he was the best offensive weapon available.

 

I would have much rather seen them go with Harrison and get the o line shored up. But can't be mad at this pick. 

 

It's all on Dorsey and Josh. They didn't utilize Knox nearly as much as they should have last year. Now they have two TEs to feed. They need to figure it out. 

 

Blame Josh lol. When they won't give him a true WR opposite Diggs 

[34-78-83]

18 minutes ago, Bills Bud said:

Only way this pick makes sense is if they trade Knox. They are exactly the same player.

https://weeklyspiral.com/2022/02/21/12-personnel/

[BuffaloBob]

1 minute ago, familykwi said:

It’s not a need pick

A slot weapon was not a need pick?  Are you serious?

[Momma Pecoraro]

Does Sam Elliot come with him?

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

5 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

Again... I love Knox.. I really do... But this guy is at another level and may be #1 week 1. What some do not understand is, the things you can do with Knox and Kincaid on the field at the same time. 

So weird that a fanbase that watched a full season of red zone struggles would even complain about drafting a good tight end let alone the best one 

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, Bills Bud said:

 

Blame Josh lol. When they won't give him a true WR opposite Diggs 

They just gave him the Best Weapon in the draft. 

[beerme1]

5 minutes ago, Turk71 said:

Is he giving some of it back?

Hello? He won't get all of it. Please keep in mind I love Knox. Beane ***** up giving him that much money. He's not getting more than next seasons money from that deal. Specifically because of the new kid in town on a rookie contract. Haters can keep coming at me but it seems like you guys can't read the room. Go celebrate yourselves and come at me a year from now please. I don't have a beef with Knox other than his contract.

He got too much. The fix, is in now.

 

[JohnBonhamRocks]

Honestly he wasn’t really on my radar. But I’m quickly warming up to the pick. I get the mismatches, can see how good his receiving ability is, and like that they took an offensive playmaker.

 

Don’t really see the Beasley/Slot comparisons. Just such different players. Kincaid isn’t getting open as quickly, but he’s going to catch the contested throws and then push for a few more yards.

 

Overall I like the pick.

 

Cant find his RAS - anyone have luck?

[BuffaloBillyG]

Just now, BuffaloBob said:

As BB mentioned, they won’t be using him in 12 personal sets. He said, think of it like 11 and 1/2. 

I saw that as well. I keep seeing DK referred to as more of a "big slot". Like I said, I'm interested in seeing how the offense evolves. I'm not overly excited until I can see what they have in mind....but not grabbing the torches and pitchfork either. 

[BullBuchanan]

10 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

He will likely be flexed out in the slot so think of him as a bigger Beasley. Bills wanted a player to help in the middle of the field, they just chose to do it differently than most thought.

 

Can't understand how someone could complain about a guy that could become our version of Kelce or Mark Andrews.

Stop it. He might be a good player someday, but Travis Kelce is the greatest TE of all-time and he's bigger, stronger and faster than this kid by a good bit.

a 6'3" TE doesn't instill fear into anyone. Ask Knox.

[hondo in seattle]

Everyone suggesting we consider Kincaid as a big Beasley or McKenzie: Thank You.  That does make me feel better about the pick - my initial thought/fear was that we traded up to get Knox's backup.  

 

Now I'm hoping we find some OL help.  

[gonzo1105]

7 minutes ago, Buffarukus said:

 

wow good job. im warming up to it after watching film. this is def BPA. does this put knox on the bench more or is kincaid our #3 full time slot? 

 

im not mad at the pick if i had more confidence in dorsey. im not a fan of how he uses weopons and kincaid/knox combo i feel one is going to end up contributing nothing. if its knox that's alot of cap in the trash. 

No not at all. Dorsey played in a 12 personnel system in college. Knox will be the in line  Y TE now which makes sense because he’s a better blocker and Kincaid will be used in a lot of different ways. Inline(not a lot), in the slot, as an Hback and he’s an athletic nightmare for teams. 
 

The Bills now can dictate to teams how they’re prepared for. The Bills were an easy study because they ran 11 personnel the highest in the league. Now it forces teams to prep for more packages which isn’t easy when you have Josh Allen at QB. 
 

The Bills already stretch teams vertically as we all know but what this also helps is now it allows to stretch defenses horizontally and vertically and that makes them very very hard to defend. It’s why I love 12 personnel in general and this pick. 
 

 

Edited April 28, 2023 by gonzo1105

[Kwai San]

48 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Because Josh likes throwing to WRs and we don’t even use our 14 million dollar tight end enough 

Cuz he drops the ball!!!!

[PrimeTime101]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

They just gave him the Best Weapon in the draft. 

JSN 7 picks away, would of been the best weapon in my opinion... but I will take second best  

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 minute ago, BuffaloBob said:

A slot weapon was not a need pick?  Are you serious?

The takes are wild lol…bills had wildly inconsistent slot receiver play and struggled mightily in the red zone.  I know a position group that could kill both those birds with one stone…..lol 

 

I think people are just very close minded with what responsibilities different positions have. Sure he’s a TE on paper but they could line him up at any wr position based on his skill set. 

[muppy]

www.nfl.com/prospects/dalton...3-7edd228031c8

Player Bio

Kincaid played just one year of high school football after focusing on basketball (he played for a national championship-winning AAU squad) but was an all-state pick at Faith Lutheran High School in Las Vegas in that lone football season. He signed with non-scholarship program San Diego for 2018, starting three of 12 games played that year and scoring 11 touchdowns (24-374-15.6). Kincaid was a third-team Associated Press FCS All-American in 2019, scoring eight more times and averaging 19 yards a reception (44-835) in 12 appearances. Utah saw his potential and gave him a scholarship for the 2020 season, in which he played five games with one start (made one catch for 14 yards). Kincaid was an honorable mention All-Pac-12 selection in 2021, topping the Utes with eight touchdown receptions (36-510-14.2) and starting 13 of 14 games played. He became Utah's top receiving threat in 12 games (nine starts) as a senior, missing one game with a shoulder injury. Also, he opted out of the Rose Bowl, citing an injury. The 2022 first-team All-Pac-12 selection caught 70 passes for 890 yards (12.7 per) and eight scores, garnering third-team All-American honors from the Associated Press. -- by Chad Reuter

By Lance Zierlein
NFL Analyst

Draft Projection
Round 1

NFL Comparison
Zach Ertz

Overview

Move tight end whose premium talent as a pass-catcher will be the primary focus for evaluators. Kincaid is a fluid route runner with the athleticism and play speed to create mismatches against lesser coverage. Impeccable ball skills and sticky hands allow him to tilt 50/50 contested throws in his favor. He lacks the play strength and technique to work in-line, but can handle some positional blocking in space from time to time. Kincaid can manage a more extended route tree, allowing calculating play-callers to open up the entire field and stress coverages. He will need to acclimate to a more physical/athletic brand of coverage, but should blossom into a weapon.

Strengths

Fluid athlete with impressive catch radius.
Gets into routes with good initial burst.
Has enough speed to threaten vertically and across the field.
Sweet feet to break and separate from coverage.
Possesses outstanding ball-tracking and focus as receiver.
Makes well-timed moves for jump-ball victories.
Hands are sticky and sure through contact.
Above average run-and-catch fluidity on the move.

Weaknesses

Liability as a run blocker.
Jarred off of his base by average contact.
Struggles to stay connected to a block for long.
Routes could use better speed variance.
Physical defenders are able to slow his routes.

Edited April 28, 2023 by muppy

[JaCrispy]

56 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

I want to throw up and take a dump at the same time.

 

They don’t even use their number 14 million dollar tight end…

Because he’s not worth $14 million…

[Bookie Man]

The guy catches everything. It’s also like he catches the ball after he makes his move upfield. Gives him the extra step on defenders. 

[familykwi]

6 minutes ago, Casey D said:

To paraphrase George Carlin-- think how stupid the average person is.  Then realize that half the people are even dumber.

It’s that half that regularly posts on this board