Generic_Bills_Fan Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Ralonzo said: Screwing the Dolphins/Jets/Patriots. Jets and patriots seem to be screwing themselves potentially lol. Someone like josh Allen or mahomes can overcome a shoddy offensive line but I don’t think pushing 40 years old aaron rodgers has got the juice…they’re not really loaded up on offensive skill position talent either. Aarons pretty much in the same situation on the offensive side that he was in the first half of the season with gb last year before they got their OL sorted. Better defense but also more competitive teams to deal with. really weird first pick for the jets Pats made a pretty good pick but clearly the Steelers saw something with Gonzalez that they didn’t like so I guess we’re gonna see who’s right. They’re still playing catch-up from a dreadful round 1 last year though Edited April 28, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, Bills Bud said: They drafted Dawson Knox again basically Nope. Knox doesn't have this fluidity: 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 22 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Stop it. He might be a good player someday, but Travis Kelce is the greatest TE of all-time and he's bigger, stronger and faster than this kid by a good bit. a 6'3" TE doesn't instill fear into anyone. Ask Knox. Yes, Kelce was viewed as such a great prospect he lasted until the 3rd round... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 Just now, HappyDays said: Nope. Knox doesn't have this fluidity: Or those hands. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, Bills Bud said: They drafted Dawson Knox again basically Knox is a better blocker. Kincaid should be a better receiver. It's an interesting pick to say the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffarukus Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: No not at all. Dorsey played in a 12 personnel system in college. Knox will be the in line Y TE now which makes sense because he’s a better blocker and Kincaid will be used in a lot of different ways. Inline(not a lot), in the slot, as an Hback and he’s an athletic nightmare for teams. The Bills now can dictate to teams how they’re prepared for. The Bills were an easy study because they ran 11 personnel the highest in the league. Now it forces teams to prep for more packages which isn’t easy when you have Josh Allen at QB. The Bills already stretch teams vertically as we all know but what this also helps is now it allows to stretch defenses horizontally and vertically and that makes them very very hard to defend. It’s why I love 12 personnel in general and this pick. ok i think thats why im hesitant. we seemed locked into 11 and never seemed to get creative and by the halfway point we stalled out and had to bring back beasley just because dorsey needed a specific slot guy and could not get creative with pretty talented roster. im still down on dorsey. we seemed really excited for gilliams athleticism. not on the field much. both our our rb pass catch ability. rare. knox upside enough to give a nice contract. spotty production. invisible in games. im a huge fan of shakir and dorsey issues getting him involved. dorsey seemed to just go 4 guys in very specific roles, besides digs in slot because hes a athletic freak. so the rich getting richer when you cant use what you got has me skeptical. that and this teams absolute refusal to play rookies in the first place. now we get one in a position we are not weak. it really makes me nervous. i hope it works out the way you say instead of how it has actually been but thanks for the insight. i really think we should trade knox as much as that pains me. i just dont think his production will be worth the hefty contract now. hope im wrong but thanks for the info and optimism. i need it lol Edited April 28, 2023 by Buffarukus 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Bills Bud said: They drafted Dawson Knox again basically No. They drafted a bigger version of Beasley who will win on Kelce like choice routes instead of Beasley like choice routes. Oh...and Kincaid is an elite top 10 player in his draft class... Knox is not. Edited April 28, 2023 by Big Turk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, Bills Bud said: They drafted Dawson Knox again basically Keep hammering this same brain dead take you’re on a roll. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 3 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Bills Bud said: They drafted Dawson Knox again basically College TDs: Knox = 0 Kincaid = 16 1 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBob Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 12 minutes ago, Warcodered said: I'm glad he's telling opposing defenses our gameplan so far ahead of time, I'm sure there's no chance we'll deviate from this at all. Oh, yes! I’m sure knowing how we see using our new rook is going to be a disaster. I guess we would have only run one play in that formation the whole season and then done something different for every other play after that, right? And now it’s totally blown. Don’t tell them about the All22 either. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 The Double DD Offense 💪💪 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, Bills Bud said: They drafted Dawson Knox again basically I mean he's not, but I'd take another Knox that'd be great. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 7 minutes ago, Bills Bud said: They drafted Dawson Knox again basically No, they didn’t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, zow2 said: I liked Mayer better. But hey, i’ll be a huge Kincaid fan now for sure. Mayer is more the prototype. bigger guy, probably not quite as fast. I guess if the Bills are looking for the next Kelce, this guy has a better chance than Mayer. Mayer is a much better blocker but athletically a little more limited and Kincaid has better hands. Knox was strictly an in-line blocker in college and can break out for some big plays and get open in the endzone. Knox will be the Y, take advantage of mismatches and get his catches while Kincaid will be the F (as per Beane on McAfee). What is F? F is a move tight end. Here's an article about it for those of you unfamiliar. F is basically a large slot receiver who gets moved around the field to create mismatches. https://www.espn.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/39454/what-is-the-f Edited April 28, 2023 by ndirish1978 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Buffarukus said: ok i think thats why im hesitant. we seemed locked into 11 and never seemed to get creative and by the halfway point we stalled out and had to bring back beasley just because dorsey needed a specific slot guy and could not get creative with pretty talented roster. im still down on dorsey. we seemed really excited for gilliams athleticism. not on the field much. both our our rb pass catch ability. rare. knox upside enough to give a nice contract. spotty production. invisible in games. im a huge fan of shakir and dorsey issues getting him involved. dorsey seemed to just go 4 guys in very specific roles, besides digs in slot because hes a athletic freak. so the rich getting richer when you cant use what you got has me skeptical. that and this teams absolute refusal to play rookies in the first place. now we get one in a position we are not weak. it really makes me nervous. i hope it works out the way you say instead of how it has actually been but thanks for the insight. i really think we should trade knox as much as that pains me. i just dont think his production will be worth the hefty contract now. hope im wrong. I like the pick, and am also skeptical of Dorsey's ability. If (and it's a big if) we can get good OLine play, Dorsey has to figure it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bockeye Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 Just fyi - we were the 4th highest scoring offense in the NFL last year. I get some concerns, but don’t go peering over the edge of the bridge yet, geeez. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 15 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Jumping Dallas. Jerry Jones sad. Bills offense much more dangerous. Definitely worth it. And just because I'm sure no one has noticed. Yawning Frog hates the pick. I said I liked the pick a lot! Just thinking the price is higher than I would have expected but I don’t know the trade values that well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 Sigh 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, Motorin' said: Or those hands. Kelce doesn't have those hands either. He's close to Knox in that regard. That isn't what makes him special. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, Warcodered said: I remember those days, lol bright eyed and bushy tailed 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said: College TDs: Knox = 0 Kincaid = 16 I think he means who Knox is today…15 TDs the last 2 seasons. Don’t get me wrong, that poster is still wrong. Kincaid has a better receiving arsenal, Knox is more of a complete TE (very good blocker) Edited April 28, 2023 by Alphadawg7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 48 minutes ago, Bills Bud said: Only way this pick makes sense is if they trade Knox. They are exactly the same player. As we all know only one TE can be on the field at a time....no wait that's wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBob Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 Just now, ndirish1978 said: Mayer is a much better blocker but athletically a little more limited and Kincaid has better hands. Knox was strictly an in-line blocker in college and can break out for some big plays and get open in the endzone. Knox will be the Y, take advantage of mismatches and get his catches while Kincaid will be the F (as per Beane on McAfee). What is F? F is a move tight end. Here's an article about it for those of you unfamiliar. https://www.espn.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/39454/what-is-the-f I think they can teach him to be an effective blocker. But if he becomes our Kelsey, I’m ok with those limitations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Bills Bud said: They drafted Dawson Knox again basically They are nowhere near the same type of player before even having to get into a talent discussion lol and even if they did just draft a better Dawson Knox…so what? We were a mess in the red zone and on 3rd/4th and shorts all year last year. I don’t think a 5’9” wr is anything close to what we needed. Edited April 28, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, Bills Bud said: They drafted Dawson Knox again basically Except a multi-verse 'version who has displayed actual college on-field production before being drafted. Whereas Knox was ALL projection... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 Some PFF Grades for Kincaid ... Enjoy Receiving grade 91.8 Yea... WOW Drop Rate 2.8 Contested 50% Kind of like D'Hop huh? Yards per round Run 2.42 Top End Now for some more candy. Deep Yards 6th Contested 7th Miss Tackles Forced 3rd 4 games 86.9 or better PROS He looks like a receiver who just so happens to be tight-end-sized. Very easy mover. Attacks the ball in traffic the way you wish everyone would. The ball is his. He is a very willing blocker despite his size. Gets after it. CONS Still doesn't have ideal tight end size. Would be one of the league's smallest starters. Not an elite athlete by any means despite being undersized. **** they said same garbage about Kittle and Kelce... Older prospect. Will turn 24 years old as a rookie. *** the only thing i hate. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 23 minutes ago, PBF81 said: Agreed, that pretty much sums it up for me as well, then trading up to get him and losing a 4th makes even less sense. I see him getting 4-500 yards and a few TDs, not what Beane needs to keep his job IMO. I don't see it moving the needle this season, and on top of that, he only posted a handful of good games, all against crap defenses while being a couple of years older than everyone else on the field. 400-500 yards is being very generous. Knox past 2 seasons he posted 587 and 517 yard totals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 9 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: Insane and true. This kid doesn't drop the ball. In October he went 16/16, 234 yards & TD against SC. Knox struggled with drops his first 2 years. This kid won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Sigh Wasn't Dallas supposed to take him what the hell happened with that? They looked like someone ***** in their cereal after our pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Sigh omg Only you would come on here and do this garbage... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 The DK2 Offense 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBob Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: They are nowhere near the same type of player before even having to get into a talent discussion lol and even if they did just draft a better Dawson Knox…so what? We were a mess in the red zone and on 3rd/4th and shorts all year last year. I don’t think a 5’9” wr is anything close to what we needed. We’ve got a bunch of them already! I like the ones we have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 49 minutes ago, Bills Bud said: They the same exact size and skill set I think someone might not have seen Kincaid play yet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said: Sigh Give it a rest dude. Dalton Kincaid was universally ranked the Top TE in the Draft and was the highest rated player on the board for both NFL Network and ESPN at the time of the pick. Mayer wasn't even picked in the 1st Round or by Dallas that was eyeing TE's hard and clearly had Kincaid on their mind. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 Just now, Chicken Boo said: 400-500 yards is being very generous. Knox past 2 seasons he posted 587 and 517 yard totals. We need to quit looking at him as a TE, Beane said hes a receiver first playing the F position, which is more out wide dont be surprised if he gets more yards and TDs than Knox. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ndirish1978 Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 I value Marino's opinion more than those of you poo pooing the pick. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Sigh Oh the draft genius is here! And he’s disappointed. And a ND fan. Not surprised Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 Eerie Kincaid - Kelce Comparisons Born:October 1999/1989 Drafted: 2023/2013 High School Basketball Stars Jersey #: 86/87 Hair: Mullet / Brother Rocks One Hands: Amazing Hands Hand Size: 10-1/4” / 9-5/8” Creative Routes High Football IQs Great Style Swagger 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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