RD 1, Pick 25: TE Dalton Kincaid, Utah

[PrimeTime101]

21 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Remember how awesome the last Utah player we drafted was supposed to be? Pepperidge Farm remembers. 

are you here just to troll? is that it?

[Big Blitz]

I was only enamored with JSN or Addison in RD 1 - and after seeing Addison’s “let’s get paid” comments or whatever they were, I feel like we aren’t missing out on anything.  
 

Wasn't high on Flowers at all.  Johnston I considered a project but would be good with.

 

 

But for those wanting a WR, this draft is far from done and it feels like the best ones in this draft will be later round guys.  
 

We can still find a slot guy (Downs).

 

Mingo.  Hyatt.  Dell.  Rice.  Boutte.  Washington.  
 

 

If you tell me we got TE 1 and say my guy Mingo, along with big people - I’m going to be thrilled.  Stop fixating on that first round group.  Only JSN was exciting.  

 

 

Speaking of which - Detroit didn’t want to trade down and draft Campbell?  They absolutely could have and we could have been the partner and then drafted JSN if we really wanted to.  Price too steep I’m sure we called.  Had to.  

Edited April 28, 2023 by Big Blitz

[Starr Almighty]

19 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

And Woolen. Just like I’m going to be right about Mayer > Kincaid in the long run. 

You do realize you are rooting against a Bills player just so can say you were right.

[John from Riverside]

14 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

I guess we wait and see. I mean after all, I let my picks speak for themselves. 

You are so irritating

[Milanos Milano]

Just now, Starr Almighty said:

You do realize you are rooting against a Bills player just so can say you were right.

No, I will root for Kincaid all the same since he is now a Bill, but I’m not expecting him to be great like everyone here is. Just like I felt Cook isn’t going to be a great as Hall when all said and done, but I still cheer for Cook. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

13 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

So a million and one other people, all more relevant and visible than you liked Breece Hall last year too as the top RB but you’re gonna go ahead and claim that as a dub huh? 
 

Again, peak delusion. 

Haha yea I thought I misread what he was saying at first …like if he ends up going completely against the grain saying Kincaid isn’t going to be as good as Mayer before even knowing the situation Mayer lands in and is right…that would be something to add to the resume.  
 

but breece hall being better than James cook was not a very bold prediction at the time and on top of that it may not even be correct going forward lol cook was on fire down the stretch and breece hall is now coming back from a serious injury 

Edited April 28, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Dr. Who]

Just now, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Haha yea I thought I misread what he was saying at first …like if he ends up going completely against the grain saying Kincaid isn’t going to be as good as Mayer before even knowing the situation Mayer lands in…that would be something to add to the resume.  
 

but breece hall being better than James cook was not a very bold prediction at the time and on top of that it may not even be correct going forward lol cook was on fire down the stretch and breece hall is now coming back from a serious injury 

I'm convinced you lose IQ points trying to argue with some folks.

[John from Riverside]

2 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Haha yea I thought I misread what he was saying at first …like if he ends up going completely against the grain saying Kincaid isn’t going to be as good as Mayer before even knowing the situation Mayer lands in and is right…that would be something to add to the resume.  
 

but breece hall being better than James cook was not a very bold prediction at the time and on top of that it may not even be correct going forward lol cook was on fire down the stretch and breece hall is now coming back from a serious injury 

They’re not even gonna be use the same way a lot of times these players it’s all about fit and how they’re used we won’t be running James Cook near as much as they will be running hall

[CheshireCT]

Can't think of a better pick for the Bills. LOVE IT.

 

If he's everything they're saying he is, and he lives up to it of course. Elite tight ends are rare, and look at what they do for the teams that have them. Defenses can't take these guys away, they're annoying as hell to play against.

[BobbyC81]

2 hours ago, Wizard said:

Initial reaction is...does Dorsey know how to use him?

 

The only thing I didn't like was that Beane panicked and gave away a 4th.

He does that in every draft.  Pags needs to hire an assistant to Beane to smack him in the head when he talks about making these trades.   I’d love to play in fantasy leagues with Beane.

[Dr. Who]

Just now, BobbyC81 said:

He does that in every draft.  Pags needs to hire an assistant to Beane to smack him in the head when he talks about making these trades.   I’d love to play in fantasy leagues with Beane.

Incorrect take. Dallas almost certainly wanted Kincaid. It was a shrewd move, not panic.

[John from Riverside]

2 minutes ago, BobbyC81 said:

He does that in every draft.  Pags needs to hire an assistant to Beane to smack him in the head when he talks about making these trades.   I’d love to play in fantasy leagues with Beane.

I got 20 bucks that says we hear the Dallas was totally going to draft Dalton Kincaid

11 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

That's not an NFL catch. Is that supposed to be the reason we're wowed?

Kincaid will adjust the NFL rules he was playing with the rules they set forth in college. You can’t blame him for that.
 

[BobbyC81]

4 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

I'm convinced you lose IQ points trying to argue with some folks.

I’ve said many times “Don’t feed the trolls!”  but guys keep doing it.   🤪

[GreggTX]

I have to believe Knox is now trade bait. He's far too good to be TE2 and we traded up in the 1st to get his replacement. Surely they didn't draft a TE 2 in the 1st. Kincaid runs a 4.71 40, so playing him as a WR makes little sense unless he's our new slot guy. BTW, Kincaid doesn't block well at all, so in-line TE also seems a remote possibility. He also wants to play for the Bengals.

 

I sincerely hope either Cody Mauch or Matthew Bergeron is in their crosshairs. We can always sign a FA MLB before the season if there isn't one they like in the 3rd. I just don't understand why Beane isn't more concerned about our OL. They're freaking awful and he just keeps signing more bad O Linemen thinking that will solve the problem. It won't. I feel bad for Josh and Damien Harris. They sign a receiver that Josh will be throwing to while he's running for his life. I thought McDermott said he didn't want Allen to get injured. Replacing that human turnstile at RT would certainly help that cause.

[Starr Almighty]

8 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

No, I will root for Kincaid all the same since he is now a Bill, but I’m not expecting him to be great like everyone here is. Just like I felt Cook isn’t going to be a great as Hall when all said and done, but I still cheer for Cook. 

Did the Bills pass on Hall cause if they didn't this makes no sense

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

37 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Knox has 15 TDs the last 2 seasons despite only averaging 68 targets.  He has the highest catch rate on the Bills too.  And he’s a very good blocker.  if they gave him the same targets as the TEs ahead of him he would have the production.  
 

You can’t catch what isn’t thrown to you.  Kelce had 2.5X more targets thrown his way.  Kittle had poor stats when Jimmy G was QB this year and was more a blocker cuz Jimmy was a statue.  Once purdy brought mobility in, they released Kittle more and he had a bunch of big games with Purdy.

 

Knox is our starting TE, in the traditional sense.  Kincaid is not going to be blocking and will release and be a receiving weapon.  He literally can’t do what Knox does as a blocker.  
 

So Kincaid is not supplanting Knox, they won’t be used in the same way.

none of that makes Kincaid the #2 TE. It’s most likely a 1A 1B situation. Maybe Knox gets 10% more snaps and Kincaid gets 20% more targets. 

[Big Blitz]

Omg.  Was this posted in here??  Hahahaha 

 

 

 

[Milanos Milano]

Just now, Starr Almighty said:

Did the Bills pass on Hall cause if they didn't this makes no sense

They could have taken Hall instead of Elam. Just like I wanted Woolen to be our CB in the same draft. I would rather have Hall/Woolen than Elam/Cook. I still stand by that. 

[Big Blitz]

 

[JoPoy88]

4 minutes ago, BobbyC81 said:

He does that in every draft.  Pags needs to hire an assistant to Beane to smack him in the head when he talks about making these trades.   I’d love to play in fantasy leagues with Beane.

they had a high grade on DK. Possibly the last 1st rd grade that was still available, since Beane hinted they only had 1st rd grades on 18-20 players this year. Literally all the draft chatter and speculation was Dallas was on TEs since they just lost theirs. DK was pretty much the consensus top TE. Are you putting the math together yet?

 

I’m sure Beane would love to play fantasy against you too - he would destroy you.

[Doc Brown]

Just now, IronMaidenBills said:

They could have taken Hall instead of Elam. Just like I wanted Woolen to be our CB in the same draft. I would rather have Hall/Woolen than Elam/Cook. I still stand by that. 

If Beane ever takes a RB in the first round he should be escorted out by security and locked up in a detention facility.  I'll pay for it if the county/state won't.

[Milanos Milano]

1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:

If Beane ever takes a RB in the first round he should be escorted out by security and locked up in a detention facility.  I'll pay for it if the county/state won't.

Wont be saying this as Hall absolutely steam rolls this season. 

[starrymessenger]

17 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

That's not an NFL catch. Is that supposed to be the reason we're wowed?

Ball skills, body control, hands. All NFL caliber.

[Milanos Milano]

Seahawks going to have the nastiest CB duo. 

[ColoradoBills]

7 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Incorrect take. Dallas almost certainly wanted Kincaid. It was a shrewd move, not panic.

 

Of course, it was almost certain.  Of the 4 TEs on the Cowboys they have a grand total of 36 NFL catches.

Jake Ferguson has 19 of them and is the best they have on the team.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

Kincaid was the consensus #1 TE in this draft it seemed. And a consensus first round talent. 
 

But I wanted the TE that was the tallest, heaviest, had the biggest hands and longest arms in the draft while being just as fast. But that guy didn’t have the production. Not as fluid a route runner I guess despite the elite three cone time.

 

Kincaid has to be that 80-100 receptions per year TE for us. 

 

 

[CorkScrewHill]

Local media Interview with Dalton Kincaid after the selection.

 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

Saw video on Twitter an hour ago but can’t remember where. 
 

Here’s cowboys fans noticing the same thing..

 

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/nfl-draft-day-one-thread.510538/page-97

 

Bills pick goes in around page 94. Pretty funny stuff, thanks!

[purple haze]

2 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

Unless there's a change in philosophy on offense, I don't get it.  

 

He's going to get less playing time and targets than Knox.  This helps us how, exactly?

 

 

They are different styles of player.  Kincaid is a jumbo WR.  Very athletic, smooth, good hands.  He’s a matchup problem.    There’s nothing to complain about with him.   It helps us because he’s a legit weapon in a passing offense.   

[Alphadawg7]

11 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

none of that makes Kincaid the #2 TE. It’s most likely a 1A 1B situation. Maybe Knox gets 10% more snaps and Kincaid gets 20% more targets. 

 

Bottom line was that Kincaid is not supplanting Knox as the starting TE though, which was what I was objecting to that you had originally said.  Beane even said, Kincaid is not being brought here to block, he is gonna be used more like a receiver than a TE while Knox remains as the taking the traditional snaps at TE.  They won't really be playing the same position is the point.  

[NewEra]

8 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Wont be saying this as Hall absolutely steam rolls this season. 

You’re the worst 

[JoPoy88]

3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Bills pick goes in around page 94. Pretty funny stuff, thanks!

This one was especially amusing and gratifying.

[NewEra]

We got the best pass catcher in the draft.

 

The 3rd down Maven

 

Owner of all balls 50/50

 

Emperor of the End Zone 

 

The guy that’s open when he’s not.  
 

People need to stop viewing him a a tight end.  He’s a weapon.  A guy that Josh can trust when he needs to move the chains. 
 

Now it’s on Dorsey to make it work. 

 

 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Bottom line was that Kincaid is not supplanting Knox as the starting TE though, which was what I was objecting to that you had originally said.  Beane even said, Kincaid is not being brought here to block, he is gonna be used more like a receiver than a TE while Knox remains as the taking the traditional snaps at TE.  They won't really be playing the same position is the point.  

 

My point is to expect Kincaid to have more targets and receptions than Knox. IMO, that makes Kincaid at least a 1a. and not a #2 which was the point I was objecting to in the original post I quoted. We drafted Kincaid to be a 80-100 reception TE. That is a #1 TE in my book. Knox's career highs in receptions are 48 and 49. 

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, Buffarukus said:

 

im a mlb guy and offensive line upgrade guy. not sure why everyone wants wr so desperately. trade the farm for hopkins? really? i think shakir will take a massive leap this year. guy just seems to have a good sense of his surroundings and angles. we got our speed guy from NO and think gabe will be better. hope he will get better.

 

so overall if white can get back to form our cbs are solid. our rb are not cream of the crop but more then enough for pass happy team. dl could use upgrades but daquan is a beast and oliver in contract year along with a healthy phillips and von. are we really in need besides replenishing guys who will move on?

 

o line is the biggest issue. lack of a running game due to oline. time for josh o line. mlb is glaring. thats it. those are are biggest needs. 

 

the difference between our team not going to the sb was one guy. dorsey. he gets creative and actually uses our weopons,new or old, games arent all on josh where hes constantly pressing we could already go toe to toe with the best.

 

a new te. a position that is rare to be impactful from....especially first year is a nice luxury item. if hes full time slot then ok but we need to get the positions i stated. i dont care how.

He can be half time slot.  Half time TE.  The guy catches everything.  

[Buffalo716]

22 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

He’s not a star

 

He can be a superstar

 

I’m ecstatic

[Starr Almighty]

17 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Wont be saying this as Hall absolutely steam rolls this season. 

So you're a Jets fan 

 

https://forums.theganggreen.com/

 

They have a forum where you can be with other fans of your team

[JoPoy88]

3 minutes ago, Buffarukus said:

 

im a mlb guy and offensive line upgrade guy. not sure why everyone wants wr so desperately. trade the farm for hopkins? really? i think shakir will take a massive leap this year. guy just seems to have a good sense of his surroundings and angles. we got our speed guy from NO and think gabe will be better. hope he will get better.

 

so overall if white can get back to form our cbs are solid. our rb are not cream of the crop but more then enough for pass happy team. dl could use upgrades but daquan is a beast and oliver in contract year along with a healthy phillips and von. are we really in need besides replenishing guys who will move on?

 

o line is the biggest issue. lack of a running game due to oline. time for josh o line. mlb is glaring. thats it. those are are biggest needs. 

 

the difference between our team not going to the sb was one guy. dorsey. he gets creative and actually uses our weopons,new or old, games arent all on josh where hes constantly pressing we could already go toe to toe with the best.

 

a new te. a position that is rare to be impactful from....especially first year is a nice luxury item. if hes full time slot then ok but we need to get the positions i stated. i dont care how.

I get those wants and needs absolutely. One of things you need to realize at mlb though is: they haven’t given up on Bernard, even if a lot of us have forgotten about him since he didn’t play. They have their bets on him hedged with bringing back dodson and klein but I think they think Bernard has a real chance to develop into something. They will absolutely give him a chance and I wouldn’t expect an early rd (day 2) pick for LB. 
 

More offensive line help? Absolutely throw it on me. They can take 3 OLs in a row if the value’s there go ahead.

[NewEra]

8 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Bottom line was that Kincaid is not supplanting Knox as the starting TE though, which was what I was objecting to that you had originally said.  Beane even said, Kincaid is not being brought here to block, he is gonna be used more like a receiver than a TE while Knox remains as the taking the traditional snaps at TE.  They won't really be playing the same position is the point.  

It doesn’t really matter what people want to label him.  The guy makes plays and is the best pure pass catcher in this draft imo.  He has size, huge mitts, great body control and timing, smooth hips and great route running + rac.  
 

There aren’t any WRs in this draft that bring what he does to the table. TE2, TE1, X, Y, Z.  Doesn’t matter.  Stud

[MAJBobby]

20 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Wont be saying this as Hall absolutely steam rolls this season. 

And if he doesn’t you will go away right?