White, Edmunds and Rousseau - OUT

[balln]

27 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Before this year I would've agreed with you.

 

Edmunds has been fantastic against the run this year.

fantastic!? dunno about that. hes made plays this year. and sometimes big ones. he still doesnt come close to TFL or tackles under 5 yards from LOS compared to milano

[Brand J]

32 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Before this year I would've agreed with you.

 

Edmunds has been fantastic against the run this year.

I suppose my standard for what constitutes a “fantastic” run defender is quite different than yours.

[Chaos]

5 hours ago, JayBaller10 said:

McD on Tre White sitting out

 

All but confirms what I suspected was the issue all along. Tre doesn’t want to hit the field until he feels closer to the player he once was. Bills have been patient to this point, but as McD says “at some point you’ve got to go.” He’s been medically cleared, has practiced for weeks, there’s nothing wrong physically, it’s on Tre to step up and play.

McD is ignoring the critical advise from Tropic Thunder.  Never go full ######. 

This confirms that McD does not actually see himself as accountable for the Bills stumbles. He really is a passive agressive finger pointing kind of guy. 

Edited November 18, 2022 by Chaos

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Before this year I would've agreed with you.

 

Edmunds has been fantastic against the run this year.

Fantastic?....that's adorable....

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

What is going on with Tre? Does he just not want to play for the Bills anymore.? Is he disgruntled over something?

Could be.  More than likely that he doesn’t think his knee is ready.  Mentally or physically, he’s not ready.  I’d rather he sit til he’s ready.  If we get Poyer back to play the rest of the year, our DBs are playing well enough be a great D when Rousseau and edmunds return.  Johnson and Lewis were abused and we lost two games partly on their terrible play.  

[NoSaint]

7 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I just think they’re being extra cautious and patient because they have CBs that can play.

 

There is no reason to rush him back.

There is also no reason to be overly cautious as we would be better with him

 

[TheBrownBear]

8 hours ago, whorlnut said:

Agree. To me this is a similar situation that happened with Derrick rose in the nba. He was elite and an mvp and then he hurt his knee. Got cleared and still sat out. He was never the same player. I think we might need to get used to that possibly being the reality with white. 

Yep.  Hate to say it, but there's a chance that White is cooked. Alarms went off for me a couple of weeks ago when he talked about his struggle during rehab and how he talked about life without football.  Prepare yourself for another first round CB draft pick this Spring.

[Big Blitz]

I never expected Tre before October 30th - that was best case.  He’s still young and in his prime.  What good is a guy off an ACL tear forcing himself back at say 10 months - only a few have been as good or better in that time frame.  
 

For several reasons - the most important of which I’m sure is data he has gone thru in great detail was to take it to 12 months.  The re injury or additional injury risk drops substantially at 12 months.  

He’ll be back for the Miami game.  Book it.  That’s 12 months plus from the surgery.   

Edited November 18, 2022 by Big Blitz

[Bronxbomber21]

Where the f$$^% is Rhodes i havent seen him since we signed him? The secondary can use all the help it can get . 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

White should go back on IR, retire, or play. This half ass situation has gone on long enough 

[Big Blitz]

Research shows that up to one-third of athletes sustain another ACL tear in the same or opposite knee within two years, suggesting that an ACL tear recovery time of 10 months or longer may be associated with a lower risk of re-injury.
 

https://www.uchealth.org/today/acl-tears-how-long-does-it-take-to-recover-and-return-to-sports/
 

That’s all he needed to hear I’m telling you I think I know how this man thinks and he’s not wrong.  

[CoudyBills]

5 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

 Miami wasn’t that good vs us. They only had 212 total yards! If we’re only missing Hyde come Miami game I’m very confident.

 

You don’t think we beat Minnesota with Poyer and Edmunds?

Tua missed part of the game.

[CoudyBills]

2 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

The Bills are doing what's best for the organization and also to protect privacy.  The problem here is fans like yourself feel we're entitled to know everything that is going on and we are not.  It's like the Kim issue and a few years back there was a lineman, can't recall his name that was out with undisclosed issues.  For months Bills were ripped here for not explaining what was going on.  Eventually the player came forward and disclosed he has Crohn's disease.

 

It's really not any difference than the way most companies work, there's things going on that seem strange, but not if you knew the whole story, but there is no need for you to know.  Yes it does make rumors circulate more than if the true story was given, but oh well is typically managements position.

That argument doesn't play with pro sports teams.  It is different than questioning why Johnny on the loading dock has missed 6 weeks of work.  

[97bills]

7 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

Despite these injuries there's still no excuse to not win this game especially since weather will not be a factor.

 

Sure the Browns have the ability to run wild on this defense but it shouldn't matter if this team shows up ready to play and if they can build a decent lead early it forces it kind of negates the running game for the Browns anyway and will force Brissett to pass more which will lead to mistakes and turnovers.

 

Still think there's more to the story with White though and won't be surprised if he plays his final games in Buffalo this year, assuming he plays again at all this season.

I’ve thought about that after listening to his press conference, how he talked about there’s more to him then just football. Crazier things have happened I’m not saying he’s going to retire but it wouldn’t surprise me. And I don’t think the browns will ever stop running it on us. It’s there best chance for a big play, I wouldn’t be shocked to see a few huge runs by Chubb. 

[Captain Caveman]

9 hours ago, TBBills said:

Can White at least play goalie for the Sabres?

Is ice better or worse than turf for the ACL?

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 hour ago, NoSaint said:

There is also no reason to be overly cautious as we would be better with him

 

You literally gave the reason.

48 minutes ago, CoudyBills said:

Tua missed part of the game.

He missed 1 series at the end of the half.

[Freddie's Dead]

Great, another White is a puss thread.  

[Mr. Wonderful]

10 hours ago, BillyBilliams said:

He’s still resting comfortably in his pile of money.  We sure would hate to inconvenience him by doing his job while he’s not on the injury report or IR…

 

C'mon man!  You have no idea what's going on with that man.  He loves playing the game and he's competitive.  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

3 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

Great, another White is a puss thread.  

Fandom brings out the worst in people.

[dave mcbride]

2 hours ago, NoSaint said:

There is also no reason to be overly cautious as we would be better with him

 

Players talk and have access to data. Coming back too soon from an acl tear can really lead to problems with your other leg because you’re favoring one side. One of my closest friends is an elite marathoner and a minor calf injury on one side that she “played through” created a chronic hip injury on the other side. Her orthopedist walked her through how this happens and it’s basically science. If he’s not ready, he’s not ready. I want him starting for us at a high level in 2024 and 2025 rather than dealing with a chronic and debilitating injuries in his other leg because he came back too early. This is a real thing and the science is out there. He’s not one to dog it.

Edited November 19, 2022 by dave mcbride

[NoSaint]

16 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Players talk and have access to data. Coming back too soon from an acl tear can really lead to problems with your other leg because you’re favoring one side. One of my closest friends is an elite marathoner and a minor calf injury on one side that she “played through” created a chronic hip injury on the other side. Her orthopedist walked her through how this happens and it’s basically science. If he’s not ready, he’s not ready. I want him starting for us at a high level in 2024 and 2025 rather than dealing with a chronic and debilitating injuries in his other leg because he came back too early. This is a real thing and the science is out there. He’s not one to dog it.

ACL injuries aren’t 2 year issues in the modern nfl unless something was catastrophically wrong out of the gate. Sure you might see a hammy or some cleanup but this is becoming noteworthy in its unique handling. 
 

frankly, it seemed the team doctors thought he might’ve been back 6 weeks ago when debating how to list him back at Labor Day 

[Billsforumsucks]

6 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

No one actually knows this (other than Tre and a few coaches, I suppose) but I DO agree with your assessment here.

 

I think this is what's going on; it's the most likely explanation at this point.

 

Sal C. even suggests that McDermott seemed different the last time he talked about it, like he was distancing himself from the situation a little bit, as if to shine light on Tre as the source of the problem. 

 

Sal was saying that McDermott is basically saying "I don't know what to make of it now, he's ready to play, he's healthy, but it's in his hands now, not mine."

 

So to speak.

 

 

Cleveland will be pounding the rock all game, eating clock, and trying to keep our O off the field; it's how you beat the Bills...and they have the run game to do it.  I don't think they're going to throw a lot.

 

Exactly what I was saying?

 

[Ya Digg?]

59 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

ACL injuries aren’t 2 year issues in the modern nfl unless something was catastrophically wrong out of the gate. Sure you might see a hammy or some cleanup but this is becoming noteworthy in its unique handling. 
 

frankly, it seemed the team doctors thought he might’ve been back 6 weeks ago when debating how to list him back at Labor Day 

You do know it’s only been 1 year, right? 

[RiotAct]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

I want him starting for us at a high level in 2024 and 2025 rather than dealing with a chronic and debilitating injuries in his other leg because he came back too early. This is a real thing and the science is out there. He’s not one to dog it.

oh no, we’re writing off next year already as well???

[BigDingus]

12 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I just think they’re being extra cautious and patient because they have CBs that can play.

 

There is no reason to rush him back.

 

Just having warm bodies available isn't the same as having CBs who can play WELL. 

[wppete]

2 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said:

Great, another White is a puss thread.  

He kind of is. Ohh well. 

[newcam2012]

3 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Players talk and have access to data. Coming back too soon from an acl tear can really lead to problems with your other leg because you’re favoring one side. One of my closest friends is an elite marathoner and a minor calf injury on one side that she “played through” created a chronic hip injury on the other side. Her orthopedist walked her through how this happens and it’s basically science. If he’s not ready, he’s not ready. I want him starting for us at a high level in 2024 and 2025 rather than dealing with a chronic and debilitating injuries in his other leg because he came back too early. This is a real thing and the science is out there. He’s not one to dog it.

I don't disagree with anything you said here. However, I don't think any of it is applicable to Tre. Why? The Bills are ultra conservative with players returning from injuries. It's safe to say they would be even more conservative with their best CB. The team has activated him, he's cleared to practice, and no reports Or signs of any set backs. Imho, it's a mental issue with Tre. Physically I thinks he's good to go. A mental hurdle isn't uncommon among athletes. 

[Dr.Sack]

Super 57

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, newcam2012 said:

I don't disagree with anything you said here. However, I don't think any of it is applicable to Tre. Why? The Bills are ultra conservative with players returning from injuries. It's safe to say they would be even more conservative with their best CB. The team has activated him, he's cleared to practice, and no reports Or signs of any set backs. Imho, it's a mental issue with Tre. Physically I thinks he's good to go. A mental hurdle isn't uncommon among athletes. 

I just think it’s hilarious you acting like you know what’s going on inside the team what a  buffoon

3 hours ago, wppete said:

He kind of is. Ohh well. 

No, he is not
It’s interesting, because whenever we drafted him the word on him was that he wasn’t a tackler, but I think he’s proven that wrong over the years. We are literally talking about a pro ball player here. It sucks that we’re missing him but we don’t know what’s going on.

[Sjwalker1]

16 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I just think they’re being extra cautious and patient because they have CBs that can play.

 

There is no reason to rush him back.

Rush? Did you say rush? He's been in the sidelines eating popcorn for the last 6 weeks

[John from Riverside]

4 minutes ago, Sjwalker1 said:

Rush? Did you say rush? He's been in the sidelines eating popcorn for the last 6 weeks

Was it your popcorn he was eating

[Scott7975]

12 hours ago, BUFFALOBART said:

I believe that if the Bills did not activate Tre, he would be on IR for the rest of the year.

Is that correct?

 

Not exactly.  They could have activated him, put him on the roster, and then IR'd him again for the 4 game thing. He wouldnt have been able to practice then I dont think, but thats what he needs is practice so probably why they didnt do that.

Edited November 19, 2022 by Scott7975

[Nextmanup]

9 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Not exactly.  They could have activated him, put him on the roster, and then IR'd him again for the 4 game thing. He wouldnt have been able to practice then I dont think, but thats what he needs is practice so probably why they didnt do that.

Yeah, that's basically right as I understand it too.  Had they shelved him for 4 additional games, he could NOT participate in practice at all.  Presumably, they want him to be able to practice before playing, so they went this route.

That all makes perfect sense.  Here's the rub!  Explaining all that would have taken McDermott 5 seconds at any one of these recent press conferences where the theme has been "what's going on with Tre?"

 

All he had to do is explain what you/I have just referenced, and explained that the team wants to ramp Tre up  a bit at a time before he hits the ground running in a real game.

 

AND YET HE HAS NOT DONE THAT!  NOTHING!  Instead, he's staying tight lipped, saying some odd things, and letting people grow their own suspicions as to what's happening for real.

Which is I why I said up-thread I think there is basically some type of psychological issue going on with Tre and they just don't want to talk about that.

 

It's like the Bills know he is medically OK, they think he is "ready" to go with practicing and reps, but yet Tre doesn't want to play, so he doesn't play.

 

In fact, he was designated "OUT" as of Friday!  The last few games they didn't do that; it was more a game time decision to scratch him.

 

SO he's a healthy scratch yet again as of a Friday before a Sunday game.

What's going on here?

 

 

Edited November 19, 2022 by Nextmanup

[Scott7975]

8 hours ago, CoudyBills said:

Tua missed part of the game.

 

Half of one drive.

[gordong]

7 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said:

Great, another White is a puss thread.  

A lot of dumb posts in this thread...

 

[ProcessTruster]

20 hours ago, VaMilBill said:

Good Lord. I hate to say it, but we might as well put White on IR. Only thing I can think is we are saving him for our December push to the playoffs. 
 

I think this game will show truly how much edmunds means to our defense

assuming Poyer does not play, that's 5 defensive starters out again (White, Hyde, Poyer, Edmunds, Groot) .  When half your defense (and your entire pass defense) is backups, things tend not to go very well.  Even Brissett can throw it against that pass defense. 

 

Hopefully the offense brings it and hangs onto the ball.  2-3 turnovers, this one's an L too .  

[NoSaint]

8 hours ago, Ya Digg? said:

You do know it’s only been 1 year, right? 

You did read the post I was replying to noting letting him be ready for next year? That would be 22 months from injury to return. To even suggest writing off the rest of this year would indeed be incredibly noteworthy.

Edited November 19, 2022 by NoSaint

[Pete]

9 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Players talk and have access to data. Coming back too soon from an acl tear can really lead to problems with your other leg because you’re favoring one side. One of my closest friends is an elite marathoner and a minor calf injury on one side that she “played through” created a chronic hip injury on the other side. Her orthopedist walked her through how this happens and it’s basically science. If he’s not ready, he’s not ready. I want him starting for us at a high level in 2024 and 2025 rather than dealing with a chronic and debilitating injuries in his other leg because he came back too early. This is a real thing and the science is out there. He’s not one to dog it.

thank you for an articulate post.  It sure is refreshing than the armchair orthopedists that say Tre should be playing, hes counting his $ and other super informative, well stated posts lol.  God forbid those "medical experts'  get a major knee injury, and learn the truth about how long it takes to rehab an ACL tear, and how grueling the rehab is

Edited November 19, 2022 by Pete

[stinky finger]

20 hours ago, SCBills said:

 

Maybe we can line the Bills home field with pillows on the regular season finale and get him 5-10 snaps. 

 

Joking, and it is what it is, but at this point it's getting kind of ridiculous.  Road games never seem ideal.  Weather is turning in Buffalo and much of the country... not many 65 and sunny games left on the schedule.

 

If the medical has cleared him, he should be out there.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

37 minutes ago, Pete said:

thank you for an articulate post.  It sure is refreshing than the armchair orthopedists that say Tre should be playing, hes counting his $ and other super informative, well stated posts lol.  God forbid those "medical experts'  get a major knee injury, and learn the truth about how long it takes to rehab an ACL tear, and how grueling the rehab is

But unlike regular people, NFL players have the best surgeons performing the operations, and round the clock physical therapy and imaging.

 

This isn’t Tre limping around One Bills Drive.