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Inigo Montoya

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What we know

 

This is the first week that Tre is eligible to come off of short term PUP list and start to practice with the team.

 

From the time Tre comes off PUP and starts to practice, the Bills will have 21 days to activate him to the regular roster or he will have to be placed on season ending IR.

 

McDermott was asked yesterday about Tre's status and he essentially gave no answer except that Tre continues to work to get back.

 

What we suspect

 

Even if Tre is 100% right now I would be shocked for him to lace it up against the Steelers this week due to the matchup.  The Bills secondary should be able to hold up against  the Steeler's offense without Tre in there this week.

 

The big question is, will they play him the following week vs the Chiefs in Arrowhead.  It would obviously be a big boost to have him back on the field for that pivotal matchup with plenty of playoff seeding consequences for the Bills.  

 

If the Bills don't play him in Week 6 versus the Chiefs, Tre will then have an additional week to rehab with the bye week in Week 7 and will have to be activated before the Week 8 tilt on Sunday night against the Packers at home.  This might have been the plan all along.  

 

When he comes back he will likely be on a snap count and alternating time with Elam and Jackson as he plays back into form.

 

 

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May or may not be popular, but I'm not playing Tre until after the bye, against Green Bay. 

 

From what I understand, once you reach a certain time period, the chance of re-injury stays stagnant... doesn't really improve with more time off.  I'm not sure where he is in relation to that, but he's too important to rush back and call me crazy, but I have a lot of confidence in a secondary of Poyer-Hamlin-Johnson-Jackson-Elam. 

 

More important, imo, is to get Davis, Oliver and Phillips right for the Chiefs game - if possible. 

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Just now, SCBills said:

May or may not be popular, but I'm not playing Tre until after the bye, against Green Bay. 

 

From what I understand, once you reach a certain time period, the chance of re-injury stays stagnant... doesn't really improve with more time off.  I'm not sure where he is in relation to that, but he's too important to rush back and call me crazy, but I have a lot of confidence in a secondary of Poyer-Hamlin-Johnson-Jackson-Elam. 

 

I agree that our existing secondary as it is can be more than adequate for the season. Tre is icing on the cake if and when he comes back 100%. It's not the re-injury risk for me, but rather the <100% performance-related drop off. Right now, Tre at say 80% may be worse than what we currently have on the field.

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26 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

What we know

 

This is the first week that Tre is eligible to come off of short term PUP list and start to practice with the team.

 

From the time Tre comes off PUP and starts to practice, the Bills will have 21 days to activate him to the regular roster or he will have to be placed on season ending IR.

 

McDermott was asked yesterday about Tre's status and he essentially gave no answer except that Tre continues to work to get back.

 

What we suspect

 

Even if Tre is 100% right now I would be shocked for him to lace it up against the Steelers this week due to the matchup.  The Bills secondary should be able to hold up against  the Steeler's offense without Tre in there this week.

 

The big question is, will they play him the following week vs the Chiefs in Arrowhead.  It would obviously be a big boost to have him back on the field for that pivotal matchup with plenty of playoff seeding consequences for the Bills.  

 

If the Bills don't play him in Week 6 versus the Chiefs, Tre will then have an additional week to rehab with the bye week in Week 7 and will have to be activated before the Week 8 tilt on Sunday night against the Packers at home.  This might have been the plan all along.  

 

When he comes back he will likely be on a snap count and alternating time with Elam and Jackson as he plays back into form.

 

 

Good points but if a player is 100% and has practiced, he should play

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McDermott has been silent with updates on this situation and the media have done a very poor job (as they did with 13 seconds) getting answers. Leaves me to believe there might be more going on with this situation (and a potentially longer timeline) than we’d like to think 

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37 minutes ago, Billsflyer12 said:

I to am starting to feel like it will be later then most think.  Not ruling out he doesn’t play at all or very little this season.  

I said this a week or so ago.

 

An unpopular opinion to be sure, but I continue to hear rumblings around OP that his rehab is not going well.

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5 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

You play him when he's ready. You don't hold him out longer or rush him back.  If he's ready he's ready and you play him. 

 

KC game is a playoff game and may very well determine #1 seed.

This should be the default post on every injury

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1 minute ago, yall said:

I said this a week or so ago.

 

An unpopular opinion to be sure, but I continue to hear rumblings around OP that his rehab is not going well.

I’ve sensed since about week 2 of training camp that maybe he had a set back.  He was at Fischer at first, some comments from team were initially somewhat positive.  Then it all just went quiet and he was largely out of sight then.  Just a hunch of mine since early August.

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If the Bills exercise caution when dealing with things like hamstring injuries to prevent reoccurrence or worsening that are far less serious than an ACL, you can bet they will be exercising an abundance of caution to make sure he is 100% ready to go and not putting him at any extra risk.

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1 hour ago, Inigo Montoya said:

What we know

 

This is the first week that Tre is eligible to come off of short term PUP list and start to practice with the team.

 

From the time Tre comes off PUP and starts to practice, the Bills will have 21 days to activate him to the regular roster or he will have to be placed on season ending IR.

 

McDermott was asked yesterday about Tre's status and he essentially gave no answer except that Tre continues to work to get back.

 

What we suspect

 

Even if Tre is 100% right now I would be shocked for him to lace it up against the Steelers this week due to the matchup.  The Bills secondary should be able to hold up against  the Steeler's offense without Tre in there this week.

 

The big question is, will they play him the following week vs the Chiefs in Arrowhead.  It would obviously be a big boost to have him back on the field for that pivotal matchup with plenty of playoff seeding consequences for the Bills.  

 

If the Bills don't play him in Week 6 versus the Chiefs, Tre will then have an additional week to rehab with the bye week in Week 7 and will have to be activated before the Week 8 tilt on Sunday night against the Packers at home.  This might have been the plan all along.  

 

When he comes back he will likely be on a snap count and alternating time with Elam and Jackson as he plays back into form.

 

 

Honestly he has to come back for KC if he’s ready. We’re in a race for home field and can’t afford to go into KC short handed. That’s almost a must win if we want to not be playing KC in January. 

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If he can play, get him in there against the Steelers. Let him get his feet wet again before the KC game.

1 hour ago, Billsflyer12 said:

I to am starting to feel like it will be later then most think.  Not ruling out he doesn’t play at all or very little this season.  


Based on what?

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I see lots of people arbitrarily wanting White to start later on.  He should play when he's ready, you can put him on a snap count and I think that would make sense so that his body gets used to actual football movements but there is no reason not to play him if he's ready.

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2 hours ago, SCBills said:

May or may not be popular, but I'm not playing Tre until after the bye, against Green Bay. 

 

From what I understand, once you reach a certain time period, the chance of re-injury stays stagnant... doesn't really improve with more time off.  I'm not sure where he is in relation to that, but he's too important to rush back and call me crazy, but I have a lot of confidence in a secondary of Poyer-Hamlin-Johnson-Jackson-Elam. 

 

More important, imo, is to get Davis, Oliver and Phillips right for the Chiefs game - if possible. 

Against Mahomes? I know we have some different players, but we did not fare well against them in the playoffs and that was with both Poyer & Hyde. Then again, it really doesn’t matter who we have back there if Oliver, Phillips, Von, and Rousseau are hitting on all cylinders. I have to disagree. White needs to at least see the field at limited capacity for probably the most important game of the regular season.

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2 hours ago, ArtVandalay said:

You play him when he's ready. You don't hold him out longer or rush him back.  If he's ready he's ready and you play him. 

 

KC game is a playoff game and may very well determine #1 seed.

I’m all for playing him.. when he’s ready. The KC matchup is a big one , but it’s not a playoff game. As we know, the Bills won @ KC last October but it didn’t determine the #1 seed. There’s just too much season remaining.  If the game was in say, mid December it very well could. 

43 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Against Mahomes? I know we have some different players, but we did not fare well against them in the playoffs and that was with both Poyer & Hyde. Then again, it really doesn’t matter who we have back there if Oliver, Phillips, Von, and Rousseau are hitting on all cylinders. I have to disagree. White needs to at least see the field at limited capacity for probably the most important game of the regular season.

The KC game will be about the Bills offense and their DL/ pass rush. At least that’s what the Bills coaches/ GM think , based on their off season. 

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51 minutes ago, Beast said:

If he can play, get him in there against the Steelers. Let him get his feet wet again before the KC game.


Based on what?

Agree with you here. If he's ready then he's ready. I don't know if he might have any "rust" to knock off, but if he does then imo it's good to go ahead and get it out the way

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1 minute ago, Locomark said:

I was always positive GB was the timetable but I just get the spidey sense now it’s going to be much longer. I’m wondering if he isn’t coming back closer to Thanksgiving. Hope I’m wrong. 

If he is not back for the Kansas City game, I don’t care if he comes back until the playoffs

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How about we all just concede that the Bills org knows what kind of health Tre is in much more than we do. If he is ready and healthy, he will likely play. 
 

personally if his knee is good, I’d get him practicing right away, keep it slow, keep it limited. And use him in game situations all the same, until he is ready and in football shape and able to start and play all game again. 
 

If his knee was fine right now I’d get him in there and suited up for Sunday. Don’t play him unless you have more injuries, or until we’re up by a few scores. Then sprinkle him in to get his legs under him again. A lot of his injury I’d imagine is going to be his confidence he’ll have being able to trust that it’s not going to be any issues going forward. 

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