Ravens and Lamar do not reach contract agreement

[Boatdrinks]

5 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

He deleted it. Still can’t believe he said it.

I can totally believe it 

[CSBill]

28 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I don’t know… If the Ravens don’t pay him, someone will.  

There’s always Cleveland. 

[smuvtalker]

12 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

He deleted it. Still can’t believe he said it.

Yeah that's crazy.  He HAD to have had a bad day or something, and a momentary lapse in sanity......I had to re-read the other guys comment again to see if I maybe missed something, but to me, it was quite benign....

Edited November 28, 2022 by smuvtalker

[Victory Formation]

4 minutes ago, KzooMike said:

I wouldn't be in the market for him. This is a passing league. I don't care about the MVP or how athletic he is. He's got a ceiling over his head in how far he can take you and will decline more rapidly than just about any QB in the league. 

It sure is, but even so, Lamar is a top 10 QB. Even if he does play a physical style of football, he’s very young and he has fresh legs. I would argue that he has another 4-5 years left in him.

 

He should absolutely hire an agent though! $45M is too much, but I think he’s worth $35-38M AAV no problem. If he is a FA though there will be a bidding war. Would hate it if he ended up with the Jets! Great player!

[AlfaBill]

23 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

Doubtful. It won't be from Baltimore, but teams will be lining up to pay a former MVP QB. 
 

I can't see a team passing on Lamar because he told a guy that he eats ***** when there are numerous criminals in the league (which is fine by me; i want to see the best athletes compete, i dont care if they are good people)

Wow. You don’t care if a criminal plays? You need to reevaluate your priorities 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

When you get right down to it, telling a fan to eff off is free speech. What's shocking is that level of frankness from an athlete.

 

56 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Sure, but I own a business.. If I want to tell a client to eat a d!ck, that’s my right… not great for my bottom line though. 
 

 

Yeah but he also has to deal with the fact he doesn't just own a business, it's more like he owns a franchise and corporate doesn't like their franchise owners speaking like that as it hurts the overall bottom line, not just his own.  Likely there will be ramifications from above.

[Mikie2times]

Just now, Victory Formation said:

It sure is, but even so, Lamar is a top 10 QB. Even if he does play a physical style of football, he’s very young and he has fresh legs. I would argue that he has another 4-5 years left in him.

 

He should absolutely hire an agent though! $45M is too much, but I think he’s worth $35-38M AAV no problem. If he is a FA though there will be a bidding war. Would hate it if he ended up with the Jets! Great player!

I wonder what it looks like outside of a Roman offense. I doubt he is going to get the Baltimore treatment somewhere else. IMO, it could look much worse, but what they're doing with him right now won't allow for things to get much better. We have seen the best the Ravens can be with Lamar and in that system. It's never going to progress or get better, nor is it ever going to be bad. Just not good enough. I don't want all these questions with a guy I need to pay 200 million dollars to. I don't want questions when I spend that type of money. 

[Since1981]

19 minutes ago, Einstein said:

He deleted it. Still can’t believe he said it.

Not in a million years would JA17 say it, let alone write it, let alone public post. I just love that our guy is a decent person. The world needs civility, let it start with people making $100M+.

[uticaclub]

5 minutes ago, AlfaBill said:

Wow. You don’t care if a criminal plays? You need to reevaluate your priorities 

Nope, not one bit. I would watch prison ball if it were televised, it was entertaining, and you could bet on it. I don't put players on a pedestal; I realize there are some great and terrible guys. My chances of interacting with one are slim, so their character doesn't matter, just their skillset.

[Ya Digg?]

30 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

Keep in mind that QBs get paid stupid money and he is easily a top 10 QB.

 

Question. If we didn’t have Josh Allen and Lamar was a FA, how much would you offer him?

If Baltimore let him walk I bet he would end up in Seattle 

[Victory Formation]

2 minutes ago, KzooMike said:

I wonder what it looks like outside of a Roman offense. I doubt he is going to get the Baltimore treatment somewhere else. IMO, it could look much worse, but what they're doing with him right now won't allow for things to get much better. We have seen the best the Ravens can be with Lamar and in that system. It's never going to progress or get better, nor is it ever going to be bad. Just not good enough. I don't want all these questions with a guy I need to pay 200 million dollars to. I don't want questions when I spend that type of money. 

As far as QB rankings by salary goes, tell me where you think Lamar fits in:

 

1. Aaron Rodgers $50M AAV

2. Russell Wilson $48M AAV

3. Kyle Murray $46M AAV

4. Deshaun Watson $46M AAV

5. Patrick Mahomes $45M

6. Josh Allen $43M AAV

 

(this is where it gets really sketchy)

 

7. Derek Carr $40M AAV

8. Matthew Stafford $40M AAV

9. Dak Prescott $40M AAV

10. Kirk Cousins $35M AAV

11. Jared Goff $33M AAV

12. Carson Wentz $32M AAV

13. Matt Ryan $30M AAV

14. Ryan Tannehill $29M AAV

15. Tom Brady $15M AAV

 

I would argue that Lamar fits into that top 7-10 range.

5 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

If Baltimore let him walk I bet he would end up in Seattle 

Or with the Giants, Jets or Saints.

[AlfaBill]

11 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

Nope, not one bit. I would watch prison ball if it were televised, it was entertaining, and you could bet on it. I don't put players on a pedestal; I realize there are some great and terrible guys. My chances of interacting with one are slim, so their character doesn't matter, just their skillset.

That’s the problem with our world today right there. 

[Mikie2times]

4 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

As far as QB rankings by salary goes, tell me where you think Lamar fits in:

 

1. Aaron Rodgers $50M AAV

2. Russell Wilson $48M AAV

3. Kyle Murray $46M AAV

4. Deshaun Watson $46M AAV

5. Patrick Mahomes $45M

6. Josh Allen $43M AAV

 

(this is where it gets really sketchy)

 

7. Derek Carr $40M AAV

8. Matthew Stafford $40M AAV

9. Dak Prescott $40M AAV

10. Kirk Cousins $35M AAV

11. Jared Goff $33M AAV

12. Carson Wentz $32M AAV

13. Matt Ryan $30M AAV

14. Ryan Tannehill $29M AAV

15. Tom Brady $15M AAV

 

I would argue that Lamar fits into that top 7-10 range.

Or with the Giants, Jets or Saints.

I don't find what your saying unreasonable by any stretch. Again, he's just not what I want, but in a world where the best guys get paid the best (not this list) I would say around 10. 

[uticaclub]

13 minutes ago, AlfaBill said:

That’s the problem with our world today right there. 

On the list of world problems, my attitude toward professional athletes should be pretty far down. 

[US Egg]

Lamar will be fine.

[AlfaBill]

1 hour ago, uticaclub said:

On the list of world problems, my attitude toward professional athletes should be pretty far down. 

It’s the bigger picture actually. Peoples disregard for integrity, morals etc for their own entertainment. I’m not talking specifically about you. 

[The Wiz]

6 hours ago, SCBills said:

Sure, but I own a business.. If I want to tell a client to eat a d!ck, that’s my right… not great for my bottom line though. 
 

But employee morale would be at an all time high. 😆

[GunnerBill]

7 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

This tweet is going to cost him more than any mediocre performance on a given Sunday

 

100%. 

 

The writing off of Lamar Jackson happens every time the Ravens lose a football game. Why does it never transpire? Because he wins 2/3s of his games in the regular season and while there have been times when it has been possible to put that down to his supporting cast (his MVP year to an extent), this season his oline has struggled, Andrews has missed time and Bateman is now out long term. As much as the ceiling remains a legitimate question it is really hard for a football team to get itself off a QB who has done what Jackson has done. 

 

However, that tweet is a really bad move. Any player chirping at fans on social media comes across badly. When it is your franchise Quarterback, and when it is in the terms that it was.... that is double trouble. If he'd just left it at "you've been capping too much and mf never smelt a football field" that would be one thing. It is probably then salvageable with a quick deletion and a grovelling "emotional after a tough loss" apology. But the end of that tweet is a homophobic slur. And that is not something as an NFL franchise you can just look past and let go especially from your face of the franchise. 

 

For the first time I actually think you might see the Ravens decide this is not worth the combination of on field ceiling and off field immaturity. The good news for Lamar is even if they do there will be a franchise out there desperate enough to take that swing. Yes, I'm looking at you Carolina Panthers....

 

6 hours ago, Victory Formation said:

As far as QB rankings by salary goes, tell me where you think Lamar fits in:

 

1. Aaron Rodgers $50M AAV

2. Russell Wilson $48M AAV

3. Kyle Murray $46M AAV

4. Deshaun Watson $46M AAV

5. Patrick Mahomes $45M

6. Josh Allen $43M AAV

 

(this is where it gets really sketchy)

 

7. Derek Carr $40M AAV

8. Matthew Stafford $40M AAV

9. Dak Prescott $40M AAV

10. Kirk Cousins $35M AAV

11. Jared Goff $33M AAV

12. Carson Wentz $32M AAV

13. Matt Ryan $30M AAV

14. Ryan Tannehill $29M AAV

15. Tom Brady $15M AAV

 

I would argue that Lamar fits into that top 7-10 range.

Or with the Giants, Jets or Saints.

 

In terms of play on the field he deserves more than Wilson and Murray but less than Mahomes and Allen. But as I keep saying the QB pay scale isn't about worth, just timing. Almost every single one of those deals was a top 3 deal when it was signed. 

Edited November 28, 2022 by GunnerBill

[CorkScrewHill]

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

For the first time I actually think you might see the Ravens decide this is not worth the combination of on field ceiling and off field immaturity. The good news for Lamar is even if they do there will be a franchise out there desperate enough to take that swing. Yes, I'm looking at you Carolina Panthers....

That would be amazing Lamar - starter, Baker - 2nd string, Darnold -3rd string .. add in Rosen for the practice squad and you have Hard Knocks gold

[Inigo Montoya]

Lamar's tweet literally made me laugh out loud!

 

Two things,

 

1.  He never should have posted that for a hundred different reasons that I don't need to explain.

 

2.  Every football player in the NFL loves Lamar Jackson even more this morning.  You know they have to read the crap that a bunch of us arm chair warriors post about them everyday and they want so much to respond, but they don't do it.   Well, Lamar did it.

 

😀

[Dan Darragh]

12 hours ago, qwksilver said:

NFL Players that score a 13 on the wonderlic test should not be their own agent.

 

Yeah, but his Mom's helping him!

[Bruffalo]

9 hours ago, I am the egg man said:

Lamar will be fine.

At the end of the day, somebody is going to be paying him a huge contract (barring injury).  It might not be the Ravens, but there will be a GM who will bring him in for close to what he wants. 

 

This whole thing feels a lot like the Kyler Murray situation.  I think that was a terrible idea for the Cardinals to give him a big contract, but I can see why they did it. 

[Punching Bag]

12 hours ago, qwksilver said:

Thin skinned anyone? Not sure if there is history between these 2.

 

NFL Players that score a 13 on the wonderlic test should not be their own agent.

 

Jalen Hurts appears to do Lemur better than Lemur.

 

[Punching Bag]

43 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

Lamar's tweet literally made me laugh out loud!

 

Two things,

 

1.  He never should have posted that for a hundred different reasons that I don't need to explain.

 

2.  Every football player in the NFL loves Lamar Jackson even more this morning.  You know they have to read the crap that a bunch of us arm chair warriors post about them everyday and they want so much to respond, but they don't do it.   Well, Lamar did it.

 

😀

 

So you are saying it is another stupid reason to vote for him a MVP.

[Motorin']

1 hour ago, Dan Darragh said:

 

Yeah, but his Mom's helping him!

 

Maybe his mom runs his Twitter account also?

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

49 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

Maybe his mom runs his Twitter account also?

After that last interchange of Lamar's, she might now. 🤔

[Beck Water]

12 hours ago, Since1981 said:

Not in a million years would JA17 say it, let alone write it, let alone public post. I just love that our guy is a decent person. The world needs civility, let it start with people making $100M+.

 

I don't have any inside information whatsoever.  But I would guess that a number of our favorite players would say things that are far more profane than we have any idea of, between their friends and teammates in private, and that would include Josh.

 

It really doesn't reflect one way or another on whether they're decent people or not, if they speak or write crudely.  It more has to do with the culture in which they were raised and how they adapt it to a football locker room.

 

JMO

 

58 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

Maybe his mom runs his Twitter account also?

 

7 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

After that last interchange of Lamar's, she might now. 🤔

 

Think she might have ordered up a bar of that soap Herbert shills for express delivery to Lamar's residence?

Edited November 28, 2022 by Beck Water

[Motorin']

5 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I don't have any inside information whatsoever.  But I would guess that a number of our favorite players would say things that are far more profane than we have any idea of, between their friends and teammates in private, and that would include Josh.

 

It really doesn't reflect one way or another on whether they're decent people or not, if they speak or write crudely.  It more has to do with the culture in which they were raised and how they adapt it to a football locker room.

 

JMO

 

 

 

Think she might have ordered up a bar of that soap Herbert shills for express delivery to Lamar's residence?

 

I think might have been the one who told the guy to eat a D. Lol 

[Captain Hindsight]

13 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

This tweet is going to cost him more than any mediocre performance on a given Sunday

Lol no it’s not 

 

Watson was accused of some pretty heinous *****. Even had a grand jury and multiple settlements. Got a 250 mil guaranteed contract

 

Lamar tells a guy to eat a dick and he’s not gonna get paid? Cmon guys this is the NFL, not corporate America 

Edited November 28, 2022 by Captain Hindsight

[Malazan]

2 hours ago, Dan Darragh said:

 

Yeah, but his Mom's helping him!

what was her score?

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Lol no it’s not 

 

Watson was accused of some pretty heinous *****. Even had a grand jury and multiple settlements. Got a 250 mil guaranteed contract

 

Lamar tells a guy to eat a dick and he’s not gonna get paid? Cmon guys this is the NFL, not corporate America 

Before this tweet he was set to become the highest paid player in NFL history and all the sponsorships and marketing that comes along w that

 

Now he's just going to be the highest paid player

 

Corporate America is what gets you paid for life

[starrymessenger]

Not a good look for Lamar. He should be above getting into mudslinging with a fan. Maybe he was especially sensitive after the loss, but he needs to be above that. Criticism comes with the turf. Appearances are important and what you say and how you react to the inevitable scrutiny can have significant implications. Just ask Zach Wilson.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

21 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

Think she might have ordered up a bar of that soap Herbert shills for express delivery to Lamar's residence?

I remember as a seven or eight year old sitting with a bar of Palmolive green soap in my mouth for 15 minutes after having used some poorly chosen words. ($@&¥!) I never made that mistake around my mother again. 🤮😁

7 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

Appearances are important and what you say and how you react to the inevitable scrutiny can have significant implications. Just ask Zach Wilson.

True, but Lamar will get blowback from his Tweet.  Wilson just got more Tinder followers of a certain age group. 🤔

Edited November 28, 2022 by Ridgewaycynic2013

[Beck Water]

15 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Before this tweet he was set to become the highest paid player in NFL history and all the sponsorships and marketing that comes along w that

Now he's just going to be the highest paid player

Corporate America is what gets you paid for life

 

Is that changing, though, along with changing demographics where younger people spend less time watching broadcast or cable TV and more time on streaming services/Youtube/Gaming channels?

 

I'm sure it doesn't hurt Lamar at all with a large segment of that demographic; they possibly admire it (like Barstool Sports "put the guy in a body bag" reaction)

 

 

8 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

I remember as a seven or eight year old sitting with a bar of Palmolive green bar soap in my mouth for 15 minutes after having used some poorly chosen words. ($@&¥!) I never made that mistake around my mother again. 🤮😁

 

You may be able to relate to this classic musical ditty:

 

Edited November 28, 2022 by Beck Water

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Warcodered]

10 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

It may be true that his intent wasn't homophobic even if the phrase clearly is. Makes me think of how it was back middle school when everyone would use the word "gay" as a negative, even if we weren't trying necessarily to be negative toward people in that group it still was.

 

Also still a bad way of handling this and another great example of why players have agents.

[LabattBlue]

These dumbasses(there are many more than just Jackson) don’t get it.  Stay out of trouble & stay off social media for the duration of their pro careers…then after you retire with 10’s of millions of dollars, you can be as stupid as you want. 

Edited November 28, 2022 by LabattBlue

[thenorthremembers]

If I am Baltimore I franchise the guy and trade him like Seattle did Wilson.  The Ravens have a fantastic coaching staff and great organization.   May make more sense to see if you can trade him to the Texans for both their 1sts this year.  

[unbillievable]

Feels like another Wentz, Murray, situation brewing.

I want to see how he does after the Ravens fire Roman. 

[GoBills808]

He needs an agent and an actual manager in the worst way