Lost Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Beck Water said: They're a little evasive about where and when they learned about it Very odd wording by the Bills PR team. It makes it seem as if they knew of the incident for some time and have investigated it, even if they just found out as we did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 It pisses me off that this comes out just days after releasing Haak…talk about having the worst timing… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: Imagine rooting for this guy. Eff that Brown’s fans get that, I’m sure………. WooHoo! Who wants a New Jersey?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, wppete said: It’s also inexcusable that they didn’t know. They need to answer some serious questions regarding this. Sorry I'm out and haven't had a chance to take a deep dive into the details yet. Why should they have known? Was it public information? Was something filed on court before the draft? If so how come there was zero coverage on it by anyone? Edited August 25, 2022 by Process Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: She went to the cops soon after, then the hospital. The school dragged it's feet, the SDPD seems to be slow rolling this, so she decided to sue to get it out there. Puts the pressure on the DA. Since she was underage, consent isn't an issue. It's at least statutory rape. Since at the time of the attack, he was more than 3 years older than her, it's a felony. Where does this "more than 3 years older than her, it's a felony" come from? Alleged victim 17, Araiza 21, so yes, more than 3 years but this source says not typically felony Quote Statutory rape is a wobbler offense in California. This means that depending on the circumstances of the offense, it may be a misdemeanor or a felony charge. Typically, statutory rape becomes a felony when the defendant is over 21 and the victim is under 16 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 1 minute ago, ColoradoBills said: As weird as it sounds it's true. https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/penal-code/261-5/ Minors can be charged in statutory rape cases It’s important to remember that you can be charged even if you are a minor — that is, under 18-yourself when the intercourse occurs!11 This may seem a little crazy…since in a case like this the defendant is technically also a “victim”. But it’s the law.12 Many prosecutors in California don’t make it a priority to prosecute teenagers for having sex with other teenagers. But that doesn’t mean it can’t happen.13 A case where the defendant is also a minor will probably be tried in the California juvenile court system. I'm telling you that two high schoolers under 18 won't be charged unless there was force used. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Punt God, Hold God and now Oh God. 1 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 1 minute ago, ColoradoBills said: As weird as it sounds it's true. https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/penal-code/261-5/ Minors can be charged in statutory rape cases It’s important to remember that you can be charged even if you are a minor — that is, under 18-yourself when the intercourse occurs!11 This may seem a little crazy…since in a case like this the defendant is technically also a “victim”. But it’s the law.12 Many prosecutors in California don’t make it a priority to prosecute teenagers for having sex with other teenagers. But that doesn’t mean it can’t happen.13 A case where the defendant is also a minor will probably be tried in the California juvenile court system. Absolutely insane that state will allow for sex change hormones, double mastectomy, but two minors having consensual sex is a crime.... for the male... how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Just now, Process said: Sorry I'm out and haven't had a chance to take a deep dive into the details yet. Why should they have known? Was it public information? Was something filed on court before the draft? If so how come there was zero coverage from it by anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 1 minute ago, JaCrispy said: It pisses me off that this comes out just days after releasing Haak…talk about having the worst timing… Like I said, the cynical side of my brain says the timing is not coincidental 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 1 minute ago, TheBrownBear said: I've heard this discussed and Matt's name thrown around for a few weeks here in San Diego, but didn't want to spread any hearsay here on the board. Things don't look good for Matt. If the rape kit contains his DNA, he is toast since the alleging party was 17 at the time. Hopefully, the truth comes out and justice is served - whatever that turns out to be in this situation. Being 17 doesn't automatically make a statutory rape charge stick in California. If she is lying (and I'm not saying she is) about him knowing her age/telling him her age beforehand, that is a defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, Beck Water said: They're a little evasive about where and when they learned about it I still can’t believe this statement 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Yikes. The “call rape because their millionaires” thing is real, but so is “college athletes above the law” thing. We must, must, must wait for ALL the details and jump to no conclusions. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Just now, JaCrispy said: It pisses me off that this comes out just days after releasing Haak…talk about having the worst timing… That’s down to the organisation - if they didn’t know then WHY didn’t they when the story first broke, and somehow got missed by most, on 30th July. If they did know why have they decided to take the gamble they have with him rather than sticking with the more limited but baggage (to put it very mildly) free Haack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Either way this is a bad look for Beane and company. That's really disappointing to me. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Just now, Process said: Sorry I'm out and haven't had a chance to take a deep dive into the details yet. Why should they have known? Was it public information? Was something filed on court before the draft? If so how come there was zero coverage from it by anyone? The school campus knew about it. So you think coaches would know and pass along inside info. If his name was in the original criminal complaint you’d think the agent would pass along. Team would not like to be blindsided Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Remember when everyone wanted to release Ed Oliver? I remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, iccrewman112 said: so then you don’t hook up with an underage girl for starters. Probably a good rule to live by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Just now, Beast said: I'm telling you that two high schoolers under 18 won't be charged unless there was force used. It seems they won't prosecute. Sorry if I butted in as I was reading the law and then seen your post. I had to read it to believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Cut him. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 So what options do the Bills have before Tuesday 4pm? Could he go on commissioners exemption list? Or is it cut him or keep him only? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, AuntieEm said: Don't know if he's innocent or guilty. While I hope he is innocent if he is not than I got no problem seeing him sentenced to prison where his new roommates will demonstrate how the young women felt. This is also gross There is a rape epidemic in prisons that we will look back on in horror like many things we look back on today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Just now, Ralonzo said: Remember when everyone wanted to release Ed Oliver? I remember. For DWI? I remember nobody. Are you seriously comparing DWI to this situation? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 I don’t understand why this hasn’t already been charged? Is a 9 month criminal investigation common? It seems unnecessarily long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Just now, DCbillsfan said: So what options do the Bills have before Tuesday 4pm? Could he go on commissioners exemption list? Or is it cut him or keep him only? The league will probably step in now that all the media is on it, 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L Ron Burgundy Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Rubes said: Either way this is a bad look for Beane and company. That's really disappointing to me. You one of the Twitter people that looks to get offended by everything? You have almost no info to make that determination. Let's not rush to judge. Edited August 25, 2022 by L Ron Burgundy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Just now, PetermansRedemption said: I don’t understand why this hasn’t already been charged? Is a 9 month criminal investigation common? It seems unnecessarily long. Lab work is slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 1 minute ago, aristocrat said: The school campus knew about it. So you think coaches would know and pass along inside info. If his name was in the original criminal complaint you’d think the agent would pass along. Team would not like to be blindsided There was surprise from some pundits that he dropped to the sixth round. It potentially looks more understandable now. But I’m not going to judge too much on us drafting him - my bugbear is playing him and picking him over Haack when this was in the public domain a month ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worstcaseontario Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Big yikes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 10 minutes ago, appoo said: You realize he admitted to statutory rape right? https://www.cwsdefense.com/blog/2020/june/exceptions-to-californias-statutory-rape-laws/#:~:text=In California%2C it is illegal,informed consent to sexual activities. Matt was 22 when this incident happened. At BEST - a drunk girl started talking to him, and he didn’t bother to get her age, and decided the best course of action was to have sex with her, and that drink girl was 17. Someone who was over 20% younger than him - senior in college. He shouldn’t be on this team Just for clarity, If he had been up to three years older than her, it would be a misdemeanor statutory rape. Over three years, it's a felony. After this girl's interview, it sure seems pretty credible. Does not have the earmarks of a shakedown. Gotta believe he is done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 The LA Times article was kind of a rough read. If the accusations are true, some people need to go to jail. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 1 minute ago, PetermansRedemption said: I don’t understand why this hasn’t already been charged? Is a 9 month criminal investigation common? It seems unnecessarily long. Seems like the college dragged it’s heals - the police have only just been able to turn the evidence to the DA office for a decision. Think the alleged victim is pressing civil charges now as she only has a year to do so, which will be up in October. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: They were "recently made aware" like today most likely. Don't kid yourself Bills said they "conducted a thorough examination." It's highly likely they learned about it after the draft. But I can't imagine they "conducted a thorough examination" only after deciding to cut Haack - and make a public statement claiming such. If they cut Haack, they're comfortable with their assessment. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Bills Fan Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, Rubes said: Either way this is a bad look for Beane and company. That's really disappointing to me. How is it a bad look for Beane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Punt God, Hold God and now Oh God. / 🎤 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkirchofer Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said: I don’t understand why this hasn’t already been charged? Is a 9 month criminal investigation common? It seems unnecessarily long. With a case involving this many people and an underage girl, I have to imagine they wanted to be as thorough as possible. There was also some talk of San Diego State trying to keep the allegations hush due to the success of the football team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Immediately released. I actually would not be surprised 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reks Ryan Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Beast said: Sounds like this has been an issue for quite some time. I wonder if the Bills knew about it and if not, why not? If there is any inkling to this being true, get rid of him. Immediately. Don't be Cleveland. they should have known. Maybe this is why 2 other punters were drafted ahead of him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34460423/buffalo-bills-punter-matt-araiza-two-san-diego-state-football-players-accused-gang-raping-minor-lawsuit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Immediately released. Can’t see it myself. If the organisation had doubts over Araiza they would not have cut Haack and I refuse to believe the first they heard of this allegation was today. Edit - cut, not fit. Edited August 25, 2022 by UKBillFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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