Pasaluki Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said: I could care less about it being Araiza, or the water boy. It's about doing the right thing for the individual, let more info come out Yeah that's good of you and I'm sure your a nice person, but there is a business reality to football. We are on the verge of winning the Superbowl and I'll be damned if a punter is going to have anything to do with that. As far as I'm concerned punters need to be boy scouts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, thewookie1 said: Well this certainly isn't good; although is she angling for money due to the fear of not winning a criminal case? Seeing as a civil case is easier to achieve restitution with than a criminal case. Why was his college sitting on it for 10 months? Well, I guess we should start working out some more punters. Have to admit, I dislike civil charges for offences as serious as this for that reason. But I understand in this case why she has done as she reported it 10 months ago and nothing has come of it, either way. Edited August 25, 2022 by UKBillFan Repeated ‘in this case’ 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Just now, aristocrat said: His attorney feels pretty confident about his witnesses and there are witnesses at the party. If she was drunk and also given a drug her memory could be very spotty unfortunately. That’s the problem in general with these types of cases. Often times they can be he said she said which doesn’t bode well if there was a rape and no physical proof. Matt could have had sex consensually and she could have been rapes in the room. on the exempt list until it’s sorted out and cut if he is charged. If she was 17, and he was 22, it is felony statutory rape. Consent does not apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 I hate this on so many levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo ill Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 If he is guilty, cut him. If he is innocent, the Bills still have an 80 yard punter. Either way, who gives a damn what some Karens on twitter (or this forum) have to say? Oh the outrage!!! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Suffering Fan Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 1 minute ago, hemma said: I think I read that the city of Portland hasn’t even evaluated rape kits for years due to lack of personnel. I do not have faith in the legal system like I did 20 years ago. I'm not sure if the legal system has really changed that much or if I just got wiser and more jaded. Justice is rarer than you think, so many lawyers are untrustworthy/expensive, and judges, if not corrupt, have biases. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsgoteam Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 24 minutes ago, Ralonzo said: Remember when everyone wanted to release Ed Oliver? I remember. Shady McCoy aswell. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Prediction: Bills cut Araiza by 12:00pm tomorrow. He signs with the Browns by Monday 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 (edited) If for some reason he is not released right away, while this plays out at a minimum it has got to result in some real awkwardness in the locker room - and also possible distraction. Players and coaches being asked at PCs about the accused rapist punter.... geez Edited August 25, 2022 by stevewin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: Is Cleveland in the Market for a punter? Save yourself the embarrassment, delete this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Punt Thug. If he doesn’t end up with Cleveland, I am sure his next stop will be KC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Steel City Mafia said: Duke Lacrosse scandal . Never know https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case You don't. But, not only is she claiming the sexual assault, she's claiming there is an audio recording of a phone call where Araiza admits to having sex with her. That would be pretty hard to fabricate, especially when phone records exists regarding incoming and outgoing phone calls to include subscriber information. Not to mention it was supposedly done under police direction, i.e; controlled phone call. I believe in letting things play out but I also believe Araiza is toast in this instance. Edited August 25, 2022 by Beast 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: If she was 17, and he was 22, it is felony statutory rape. Consent does not apply. I would imagine the fact that it was non-consensual would factor into any sentencing (if it were a criminal case), too, right? Edited August 25, 2022 by RiotAct 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 I don't want this to come across like I'm defending araiza, but I once got accused of grabbing a girls breasts when I was in school. I can tell you from personal experience, there is not a worse feeling than being accused (and hated) for something you didn't do. Having personal experience with this kind of thing, I will not judge one way or the other until all the facts are out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 15 minutes ago, Commish said: So who's punting tomorrow night? Im sure Bass can launch some punts in an emergency 🆘. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 I really hope this is not true. IF he did it, he's dead to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, blitzboy54 said: Statistically speaking they rarely if ever do. The blow back is viscous. Women are mostly punished either way. That this is your attitude means you are most likely a creep. Theres plenty of cases in which women falsely accuse men of assault. I dont think this is the case here but to believe that women or even men aren't capable of lying about such things is pretty naive. Like this lady: Quote This statement comes eight days after the exoneration of Broadwater, who spent 16 years in prison after being convicted for the crime. After his release, he was placed on the New York sex offender registry. However, with his exoneration, his name will be removed from the list. He had told the Associated Press that he was crying "tears of joy and relief" following the ruling. Sebold wrote in 1999's "Lucky" of being raped and then spotting a Black man in the street several months later who she believed was her attacker. Sebold, who is white, went to police. An officer said the man in the street must have been Broadwater, who had supposedly been seen in the area. After Broadwater was arrested, Sebold failed to identify him in a police lineup, picking a different man as her attacker because she was frightened of "the expression in his eyes." Edited August 25, 2022 by What a Tuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Cheney Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Goddammit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 It is a good thing that our offense is so good that we never are going to have to punt. Joking aside, if he did this . . . no mercy. Nevertheless, we still need to find out more information. It does not look good though. Awful crime if true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, 716er said: What is the benefit of having an an accused rapist barely punt when a person who was not accused of rape can also barely punt? For people who view the players as cogs in their favorite machine, not much. For those that actually care about the human element. A lot. If he’s guilty, cut him and let him deal with the civil and potential criminal suit. If he’s not.. well, who needs to file a criminal suit when you can simply ruin someone’s life by doing this? Edited August 25, 2022 by SCBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 7 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: No specific law, but it is still recognized. Re: Romeo and Juliet exception (again, from ACTUAL DEFENSE ATTORNEYS): "However, be aware that this is a limited exception that does not exempt the defendant from a criminal charge but merely reduces the conduct from a felony to a misdemeanor offense. The conduct is still illegal, but someone protected by this exception could incur smaller fines and reduced jail time. Note that this is an exception applied in all circumstances in California, so it is not considered a 'law' in the sense that it must be argued in court." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, thewookie1 said: Well, I guess we should start working out some more punters. A bunch will be cut next week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 I feel bad for the girl. Beyond that, I'll wait for the investigation to play out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY Nole Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 I find this not believable as an outside observer. What High School student goes to a college party and announces she is a high school student. Quote According to the lawsuit, the teen told Araiza she was a high school student and, even though he could see she was highly intoxicated, he told her to perform oral sex, then had sex with her. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Come on man!!! That's gona be a slight problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
716er Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Just now, SCBills said: For people who view the players as cogs in a their favorite machine, not much. For those that actually care about the human element. A lot. If he’s guilty, cut him and let him deal with the civil and potential criminal suit. If he’s not.. well, who needs to file a criminal suit when you can simply ruin someone’s life by doing this? Read the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGFOOTspaceman Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Just give him the standard 11 game suspension and move on, he'll be back before the playoffs. And before any one calls for my head here, this is a dig at the current status quo for the NFL and Watson.... If he did it, just cut him. It's a punter for Pete's sake. Next man up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 12 minutes ago, Chicagobills said: What happened to innocent until proven guilty? well considering there is already an alleged police recording of Araiza admitting to having sex with her and telling her she should get checked for an STD. Which also you can be sued for Knowingly giving someone an STD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 1 minute ago, chongli said: Because the LA Times (and most other publications) blocks you if you read more than so many articles of theirs in a month or whatever time they impose. For some, it's just one article, and for other,s three or five. Some are none, like the San Francsico Chronicle and Wall Street Journal. I found that out and apologized. I guess I should delete my post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Just now, Steptide said: I don't want this to come across like I'm defending araiza, but I once got accused of grabbing a girls breasts when I was in school. I can tell you from personal experience, there is not a worse feeling than being accused (and hated) for something you didn't do. Having personal experience with this kind of thing, I will not judge one way or the other until all the facts are out. Well said boob grabber. Just kidding, I promise. I am sure you went through hell for that, and it sucks. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeesforclosers Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, SCBills said: Lots of posters here must feel pretty secure in their career to just call for people to be fired within five minutes of hearing about an allegation. There are a half-dozen other punters who had the good judgement to avoid situations like this. Or the decency not to do what Araiza is accused of. Dude's toast. He's gotta go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 1 minute ago, RiotAct said: I would imagine the fact that it was mon-consensual would factor into any sentencing (if it were a criminal case), too, right? I would assume they would take every mitigating factor into account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
716er Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 1 minute ago, NY Nole said: I find this not believable as an outside observer. What High School student goes to a college party and announces she is a high school student. One that doesn’t want to consent to sex with a college student. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauleeeWalnuts Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 (edited) Oh FFS with these guys…another felon who can’t leave it in his pants Edited August 25, 2022 by PaulieYayo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 1 minute ago, wppete said: Im sure Bass can launch some punts in an emergency 🆘. 60 yard field goal with one step. He’ll cover and we can pick someone up on waivers. Perhaps we rated Haack so low that we were willing to take the risk, but it leaves a sour taste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSbSoon Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 It doesn’t seem like any other way right now other than he’s about to get cut shortly. You think mcd is going to sit there and answer 100 questions each presser about the punter now? I can almost see the smoke coming off his head. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 1 minute ago, NY Nole said: I find this not believable as an outside observer. What High School student goes to a college party and announces she is a high school student. Have you never been to a college party before? Also, everyone knows who are the underage people at college parties, at least we did when i was going. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: If she was 17, and he was 22, it is felony statutory rape. Consent does not apply. Yea that part is a tough one. If she told people at the party she was a freshman he has an excuse but she says she told people she was in high school. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 1 minute ago, NY Nole said: I find this not believable as an outside observer. What High School student goes to a college party and announces she is a high school student. In a state famous for their strict to the point of being ridiculous statutory rape laws. If you are literally one day older than your girlfriend when you turn 18, birthday sex, by law, makes you a rapist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Steel City Mafia said: Duke Lacrosse scandal . Never know https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case He admitted having sex with her. She claims she told him she was 17. I don’t really believe that to be honest. But it’s a rape investigation and she was likely still drunk when the rape kit was performed. Arazia might not have been in the room where the worst happened. But he still had sex with a drunk girl at a party that is claiming rape. If the evidence shows no DNA matches Arazia maybe he can escape. Edited August 25, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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