UKBillFan Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said: He will immediately be signed by the Browns I hardly think we’re in a position to cast aspersions at the Browns currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Just now, Kmart128 said: Because they said they did a thorough investigation... and the girls lawyer said the Bills knew about it for awhile No way. The front office isn't deep investigating a 6th round draft choice. They deep investigate potential 1st rounders, and that is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Rumour is Colts may be willing to send us Matt Haack back to us and Only us for us for a 2023 Second and 2024 third… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BringBackFergy Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 This might be a good time for a commercial break. We’ll be right back with “Dateline - Secrets Uncovered - Before They’re Known - “Conjecture in San Diego” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Just now, boater said: No way. The front office isn't deep investigating a 6th round draft choice. They deep investigate potential 1st rounders, and that is it. When that 6th RD pick is a punter they might have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Cheney Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: Maybe I had a different high school, and college experience. I don't remember any gang rapes at any of the parties I went to. Right. Because it's covered up every day, as the poster said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donuts and Doritos Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Pat McAfee's apparently thought of playing again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 minute ago, UKBillFan said: I hardly think we’re in a position to cast aspersions at the Browns currently. We are always in position for that....Always Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 I was ready to make a 'Fire Beane he cant scout" joke but in all seriousness, a girl was raped and brutally abused. Whether it involved one of our players, should be secondary. If she turns out to be lying then it's a different story but right now I hope she's ok and if this is all true, that she gets justice and as important, closure. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro Nimbus Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Well, seeing this supposedly happened, if it did, before he was drafted, the league cant do anything to him. The Bills could cut him if they wished to. Lets just see what happens in court first. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 minute ago, boater said: No way. The front office isn't deep investigating a 6th round draft choice. They deep investigate potential 1st rounders, and that is it. His agent likely would have known his name was in an accusation pre draft. Would have provided the evidence they have of his innocence. If the bills were surprised by this he’d have been cut immediately. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: You’re the 2nd person to comment about this general statement. I was responding to a statement about how Araiza brought her to his friends for their turn. It’s common behavior. It’s sickening and gets covered up everyday. That's white trash/hood stuff. I've never seen it happen at middle class parties growing up. With young girls it's tricky. She may have been fine hooking up with Ariaza but then it got out of control. Maybe it was the alcohol or maybe she just didn't have the assertiveness to speak up. Or the other common story. She was drunk and she had sex with all of them consensually. The next morning she realized what it meant for her reputation and cried rape. My guess is that it's the former. In which case, Araiza is a scumbag. But I'll hold off on judgement. Look up Cummingham in the NBA about why you NEVER immediately believe an accuser of wealthy athletes before letting the whole story come out. Sociopaths exist and 50% of them are female. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Because they issued a statement saying "we recently learned......we did our own investigation and as of the nature of this situation are not issuing any comment." Don't you think if they just learned about this they'd currently ..... be saying nothing about their own investigation? . Plus, this was REPORTED in late July. This wasn't asked of Araiza since? No one thought hey, we may need to ask Matt if he was aware of this? You have changed the wording of their statement. From the Rochester D&C: “We were recently made aware of a civil complaint involving Matt from October 2021,” the Bills said in a statement released Thursday night. “Due to the serious nature of the complaint, we conducted a thorough examination of this matter. As this is an ongoing civil case legal, we will have no other comment at this point.” EDIT: The lawsuit was also filed this week. Edited August 26, 2022 by Rocky Landing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Cheney Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Just now, ToGoGo said: That's white trash/hood stuff. I've never seen it happen at middle class parties growing up. With young girls it's tricky. She may have been fine hooking up with Ariaza but then it got out of control. Maybe it was the alcohol or maybe she just didn't have the assertiveness to speak up. Or the other common story. She was drunk and she had sex with all of them consensually. The next morning she realized what it meant for her reputation and cried rape. My guess is that it's the former. In which case, Araiza is a scumbag. But I'll hold off on judgement. Look up Cummingham in the NBA about why you NEVER immediately believe an accuser of wealthy athletes before letting the whole story come out. Sociopaths exist and 50% of them are female. LOL what? Are people still so sheltered in the year 2022 that they are unaware this sort of behavior is disgustingly common, and that just because you didn't ever see it happen with your own eyes doesn't mean that your experience is everyone else's truth? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Just now, Taro Nimbus said: Well, seeing this supposedly happened, if it did, before he was drafted, the league cant do anything to him. The Bills could cut him if they wished to. Lets just see what happens in court first. That's not true. Terrell Prior was suspended for stuff he did in college: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/7040047/nfl-upholds-terrelle-pryor-5-game-ban-cites-integrity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, ToGoGo said: That's white trash/hood stuff. I've never seen it happen at middle class parties growing up. With young girls it's tricky. She may have been fine hooking up with Ariaza but then it got out of control. Maybe it was the alcohol or maybe she just didn't have the assertiveness to speak up. Or the other common story. She was drunk and she had sex with all of them consensually. The next morning she realized what it meant for her reputation and cried rape. My guess is that it's the former. In which case, Araiza is a scumbag. But I'll hold off on judgement. Look up Cummingham in the NBA about why you NEVER immediately believe an accuser of wealthy athletes before letting the whole story come out. Sociopaths exist and 50% of them are female. have you paid attention to the team Canada hockey scandals going on? This is a real common occurrence. Heck look at dk metcalf trying to get a four way going with him as only guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 10 minutes ago, Steel City Mafia said: He certainly seems confident about all his witnesses. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 If there is anything I am sure of, it’s that the Bills just found out about this within the last day or 2. Beane and McD aren’t going to burn down what they’ve built on a freaking punter. And they literally just had him in front if the media next to Josh 2 days ago. McD was just joking around about him this week on pardon my take. That’s completely opposite of everything else we’ve seen from them for 6 years if they knew anything about this. whether they or someone else who reports to them ***** up and they SHOULD have known at some point earlier is another story. 2 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mc1320 Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Bring Fitz back to punt for a year so he gets a ring. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Dick_Cheney said: LOL what? Are people still so sheltered in the year 2022 that they are unaware this sort of behavior is disgustingly common, and that just because you didn't ever see it happen with your own eyes doesn't mean that your experience is everyone else's truth? I've been around. It's working class/white trash/hood "it ain't no fun unless we all get some" trash. At least what you're describing. Not saying middle class and upper class doesn't have their own crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 9 minutes ago, boater said: No way. The front office isn't deep investigating a 6th round draft choice. They deep investigate potential 1st rounders, and that is it. Wasn't he one of their 30 pre-draft visits? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: If there is anything I am sure of, it’s that the Bills just found out about this within the last day or 2. Beane and McD aren’t going to burn down what they’ve built on a freaking punter. And they literally just had him in front if the media next to Josh 2 days ago. McD was just joking around about him this week on pardon my take. That’s completely opposite of everything else we’ve seen from them for 6 years if they knew anything about this. whether they or someone else who reports to them ***** up and they SHOULD have known at some point earlier is another story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, aristocrat said: have you paid attention to the team Canada hockey scandals going on? This is a real common occurrence. Heck look at dk metcalf trying to get a four way going with him as only guy. Everyone I know ever accused of that has been the same type of dudes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro Nimbus Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: That's not true. Terrell Prior was suspended for stuff he did in college: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/7040047/nfl-upholds-terrelle-pryor-5-game-ban-cites-integrity see post above. It explains it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, aristocrat said: have you paid attention to the team Canada hockey scandals going on? This is a real common occurrence. Heck look at dk metcalf trying to get a four way going with him as only guy. There was a big scandal in Steubenville OH a few years ago - very similar. White middle class Catholics. And before you flame me I too am a white middle class catholic Edited August 26, 2022 by YoloinOhio 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 If half of this is true, he is going to jail 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 (edited) Not to trouble the discourse with injection of facts, but here is the actual lawsuit, courtesy of the San Diego Times https://timesofsandiego.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/player-suit.pdf It's not pretty reading. Sounds like Araiza is toast under Cali statutory rape law. Matt Araiza's epitaph with the Bills: "From Punt God to Hold God to Oh God" Edited August 26, 2022 by Beck Water 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 For me, the following should be put to Beane. Whether he’ll answer is another question entirely. - Did the front office know about the allegation prior to Araiza being drafted? If so, why did they decide to draft him? - If not, did they know about the allegation prior to cutting Haack? If so, why did they decide to leave us in a potentially tricky position heading into a Super Bowl run? If not, why not, when it was in the public domain a month ago? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, boater said: No way. The front office isn't deep investigating a 6th round draft choice. They deep investigate potential 1st rounders, and that is it. I know for a fact that private investigations aren’t used strictly on first round picks. Every potential Bills draft pick is subject to background checks and other investigative processes. Some go deeper than others depending on what the initial investigation reveals. I’d be surprised if the Bills weren’t aware of the incident by the time their draft board was constructed. As I said earlier, my concern is they received unreliable information since no criminal investigation was being conducted by SD police at the time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 The only thing that bothers me about this girl is her doing television interviews regarding this incident. I can't imagine anyone advising her thinking that is a good idea regardless of her face being blurred. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: If there is anything I am sure of, it’s that the Bills just found out about this within the last day or 2. Beane and McD aren’t going to burn down what they’ve built on a freaking punter. And they literally just had him in front if the media next to Josh 2 days ago. McD was just joking around about him this week on pardon my take. That’s completely opposite of everything else we’ve seen from them for 6 years if they knew anything about this. whether they or someone else who reports to them ***** up and they SHOULD have known at some point earlier is another story. This story was seemingly in the public domain on 30th July. How could they not know? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: If there is anything I am sure of, it’s that the Bills just found out about this within the last day or 2. Beane and McD aren’t going to burn down what they’ve built on a freaking punter. And they literally just had him in front if the media next to Josh 2 days ago. McD was just joking around about him this week on pardon my take. That’s completely opposite of everything else we’ve seen from them for 6 years if they knew anything about this. whether they or someone else who reports to them ***** up and they SHOULD have known at some point earlier is another story. Could not agree more. They wouldn't have drafted him, period, if they knew of this story. It has got to be a sad and infuriating surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattymafia Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Just now, Beast said: The only thing that bothers me about this girl is her doing television interviews regarding this incident. I can't imagine anyone advising her thinking that is a good idea regardless of her face being blurred. is there a link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel City Mafia Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 She was blacked out but seems to remember a lot 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattymafia Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Just now, NickelCity said: Could not agree more. They wouldn't have drafted him, period, if they knew of this story. It has got to be a sad and infuriating surprise. Everyone saw the outrage for a year on Watson, why would they bring that same outrage in for a punter? I cant see them knowing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Just now, UKBillFan said: This story was seemingly in the public domain on 30th July. How could they not know? I didn’t know that, but it really does not add up. At all. That they are putting him in front of the media etc. so maybe they didn’t know 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
716er Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: If there is anything I am sure of, it’s that the Bills just found out about this within the last day or 2. Beane and McD aren’t going to burn down what they’ve built on a freaking punter. And they literally just had him in front if the media next to Josh 2 days ago. McD was just joking around about him this week on pardon my take. That’s completely opposite of everything else we’ve seen from them for 6 years if they knew anything about this. whether they or someone else who reports to them ***** up and they SHOULD have known at some point earlier is another story. I’d love to agree with this but I don’t understand how the most hyped punter I can recall prior to the draft (with stats to back that up) was not the first punter off the board. He also lasted until round 6. There is plenty of history of ***** kickers and punters drafted in the top 3 rounds. Just doesn’t add up. I think teams knew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZBILLS Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, Beast said: The only thing that bothers me about this girl is her doing television interviews regarding this incident. I can't imagine anyone advising her thinking that is a good idea regardless of her face being blurred. Last resort. She's been getting stonewalled from everyone else. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookylookyherecomescookie Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 hour ago, aristocrat said: His attorney feels pretty confident about his witnesses and there are witnesses at the party. If she was drunk and also given a drug her memory could be very spotty unfortunately. That’s the problem in general with these types of cases. Often times they can be he said she said which doesn’t bode well if there was a rape and no physical proof. Matt could have had sex consensually and she could have been rapes in the room. on the exempt list until it’s sorted out and cut if he is charged. in california, a 17 year old minor is unable to consent to sex, in the eyes of the law. 21 year old Matt , birthdate 5-16-2000, cannot legally have consensual sex with a 17 year old. period 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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