Tua impressing in Miami

[TBBills]

2 hours ago, Warcodered said:

 

Ok... so, I love the specific start needs they have with different QBs to make it seem like he is in par with a below average QB, and somehow on par with Josh Allen 🤔

[MiltonWaddams]

23 hours ago, Warcodered said:

 

 

MLJ is to the Dolphins what Rodak was to the Bills. Actually a fan of another team in the division. Kinda fun having that go our way this time....

[Big Turk]

Must have been those 9 yard outs getting people hyped up 😂😂😂

 

 

[Warcodered]

42 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Must have been those 9 yard outs getting people hyped up 😂😂😂

 

 

 

[Dopey]

On 6/8/2022 at 4:57 PM, Warcodered said:

 

Comparing a QB that played 11 seasons vs Tua, who has played in 23 games?!?! Ok...

[DQW87]

Yeah, I remember reading stories about how Nathan Peterman was really impressing people at practice too.

[FilthyBeast]

1 hour ago, DQW87 said:

Yeah, I remember reading stories about how Nathan Peterman was really impressing people at practice too.

 

People keep saying this but big difference between a 5th round QB that was never expected to amount to much and was a complete dumpster fire in the handful of NFL games he started vs a top 5 overall pick who has actually shown flashes his first few years and is now entering a pivotal 3rd season with the best compliment of players he's had around him.

 

At the end of the day though nothing is guaranteed and Tua could still crash and burn this year.

[Captain Hindsight]

40 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

People keep saying this but big difference between a 5th round QB that was never expected to amount to much and was a complete dumpster fire in the handful of NFL games he started vs a top 5 overall pick who has actually shown flashes his first few years and is now entering a pivotal 3rd season with the best compliment of players he's had around him.

 

At the end of the day though nothing is guaranteed and Tua could still crash and burn this year.

I'm really wondering what "flashes" people see in Tua. Hes just been pretty meh to me. Like what skill is he about to unlock that is going to take him from being a low end starter to elite talent? I don't see it

[corta765]

2 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

I'm really wondering what "flashes" people see in Tua. Hes just been pretty meh to me. Like what skill is he about to unlock that is going to take him from being a low end starter to elite talent? I don't see it

 

Tua reminds me alotttt of Tyrod. He is not bad, he has had moments where you can say "hey he might have something", but overall never can put it fully together then .500 to wild card spot. I wouldn't be surprised if Tua gets the Phins a playoff spot as his weapons' are good, but like SF with Jimmy G I think they end up desiring more.

[Putin]

On 5/24/2022 at 5:22 PM, FilthyBeast said:

Lot of hype coming out of Miami these days....if Tua does in fact take off this year like JA17 did in year 3 the dolphins are going to be a big problem.

 

 

 

This is a complete nonsense and a total lie of what is actually going on Tua  has looked like TRASH so far !! 

5 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

People keep saying this but big difference between a 5th round QB that was never expected to amount to much and was a complete dumpster fire in the handful of NFL games he started vs a top 5 overall pick who has actually shown flashes his first few years and is now entering a pivotal 3rd season with the best compliment of players he's had around him.

 

At the end of the day though nothing is guaranteed and Tua could still crash and burn this year.

What flashes has he shown ??? Show me one throw in 21 games that anyone said wow , JUST  ONE I’ll wait !!!

Edited June 13, 2022 by Putin

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

7 hours ago, DQW87 said:

Yeah, I remember reading stories about how Nathan Peterman was really impressing people at practice too.

And on the other side of the coin mahomes supposedly looked terrible in practice his first year 

[DrW]

5 hours ago, corta765 said:

 

Tua reminds me alotttt of Tyrod. He is not bad, he has had moments where you can say "hey he might have something", but overall never can put it fully together then .500 to wild card spot. I wouldn't be surprised if Tua gets the Phins a playoff spot as his weapons' are good, but like SF with Jimmy G I think they end up desiring more.

 

I agree completely on Tyrod. Here is a collection of his "he might have something" moments. Looks like Tua's highlights. Unfortunately, it does not show the other 95% of his throws.

 

 

[Putin]

11 minutes ago, DrW said:

 

I agree completely on Tyrod. Here is a collection of his "he might have something" moments. Looks like Tua's highlights. Unfortunately, it does not show the other 95% of his throws.

 

 

Tyrod actually had a beautiful deep ball I have never seen Tua make a throw like that !! 

[Augie]

1 hour ago, Putin said:

Tyrod actually had a beautiful deep ball I have never seen Tua make a throw like that !! 

 

I think that’s only because you are still waiting for Tua’s ball to arrive. 

 

 

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Edited June 14, 2022 by Augie

[Putin]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

I think that’s only because you are still waiting for Tua’s to arrive. 

I’m hoping Tua is just ok so they stick with him , not good enough to win a playoff game and not bad enough to move on from …

 

[GETTOTHE50]

Tyreek is going to sink that whole organization. Andy Reid managed him to best of his ability and Patrick force fed him the ball. There’s no way a young rookie head coach and a shoddy qb will be able to contain tyreeks frustration and keep him satisfied. I expect him to blow up Antonio brown style by half way through the season. 
 

I mean look, he’s regretting his decision of leaving the chiefs, bc he’s obviously not over them. 

[corta765]

12 hours ago, Putin said:

Tyrod actually had a beautiful deep ball I have never seen Tua make a throw like that !! 

 

That was the part about Ty that drove you nuts. He would have games he would show incredible flashes or a few games like SEA/MIA-wk16 in 2016 where he looked the part of a franchise. But the consistency and decision making never was enough.

 

Like I said Tua, Tyrod, Jimmy G are all guys with a certain ceiling where you can do some stuff, but when the chips are on the table their not it. They are not bad QBs, they are 100% the type for a down franchise that can help elevate things back up to some standard, but they tease your expectations.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

 

[Greg S]

10 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

 

 

Weren't they supposedly after Watson as well? Jimmy G would be an upgrade over Tua. One thing seems clear is the fish don't believe in Tua.

[transient]

On 6/13/2022 at 9:56 AM, Warcodered said:

 

 

On 6/13/2022 at 10:41 AM, DQW87 said:

Yeah, I remember reading stories about how Nathan Peterman was really impressing people at practice too.

Felt like the painfully slow moving sideline outs and the Peterman reference should be grouped together for maximum effect...

[John from Riverside]

On 6/13/2022 at 9:55 AM, FilthyBeast said:

 

People keep saying this but big difference between a 5th round QB that was never expected to amount to much and was a complete dumpster fire in the handful of NFL games he started vs a top 5 overall pick who has actually shown flashes his first few years and is now entering a pivotal 3rd season with the best compliment of players he's had around him.

 

At the end of the day though nothing is guaranteed and Tua could still crash and burn this year.

Tua is made of gas

[Doc]

31 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Tua is made of gas

 

So is Jimmy G.

[Awwufelloff]

Tua starred down that receiver and put all his might into that toss. It's so sad, his arm isn't even 50% what Allens is. Zach Wilson is the only one I'm worried about in our division as of this moment, he actually looks good just has some bad decision making. 

Edited July 21, 2022 by Awwufelloff

[Special K]

2 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Tua is made of gas

 

Exxon or Chevron??

 

Just kidding, I know you meant glass!

[H2o]

2 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Tua is made of gas

The Dolphins offense in 2022

[John from Riverside]

My eyesight gets worse as I age

 

GLASS

[Southern_Bills]

On 5/24/2022 at 5:22 PM, FilthyBeast said:

Lot of hype coming out of Miami these days....if Tua does in fact take off this year like JA17 did in year 3 the dolphins are going to be a big problem.

 

 

 

 

JA17 was good year 1, raw but good. He was never as bad as Tua has been. Tua will have to become a completely different player to be in the same time zone as JA17.

 

The most likely ending to this story is "...and then the season started."

[SWATeam]

1 minute ago, Southern_Bills said:

 

JA17 was good year 1, raw but good. He was never as bad as Tua has been. Tua will have to become a completely different player to be in the same time zone as JA17.

The most likely ending to this story is "...and then the season started."

MIA's roster is impressive.  Tua doesn't need to be Allen to have success, just average.  But, I tend to believe "where there's smoke there's fire" with how the Dolphins have handled Tua and what they seem to think of him.

[transient]

41 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

My eyesight gets worse as I age

 

GLASS

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt and thinking you were cleverly creating the visual of Tua doused in accelerant to facilitate his crashing and burning... it's disappointing to find out that you're just blind and as dull as the rest of us. 

[Alphadawg7]

Here is my 2 cents…

 

Anyone writing off Tua already or mocking the possibility he could take a step forward is being premature.  The reality is he is still very young in his career and has limited games in that brief career due to injuries and a veteran QB in Fitz part of the time.  
 

Second, he is loaded with weapons.  A mediocre QB in Alex Smith had a career year throwing to a prime Tyreek Hill.  Tua doesn’t have to be the next great QB for that offense to be legit and dangerous, it might be the overall fastest collection of skill players in the league.  
 

Now…on the other hand, anyone reading too much into the Tua looks good at this point in the season is also premature.  Like others have posted, we have heard that about guys like Peterman and even EJ Manuel at this time of the year.  It doesn’t really mean anything if he is looking good in light practices without the real pressures of being in game where defenses are playing full speed and you must make snap decisions and be accurate.  
 

So for me, I’m taking a wait and see approach here and not overlooking the Dolphins.  I do feel their last coach got them to over achieve (he was a good coach IMHO), so who knows how the new coaching staff does.  But they have enough weapons to make them a team to still keep an eye on.  And if Tua does take a step forward, that team will field a potentially dangerous offense.

 

Lastly…I keep seeing people talk about Tua as if he isn’t and can’t be Josh Allen.  That’s a bit outrageous given Allen has a case as the best QB and certainly is established as a top 5 QB in the NFL right now.  To use that high of a barometer to judge whether Tua can be a good starter is a bit silly.  You don’t have to be the next Josh Allen or the best QB in the NFL to win games, reach the playoffs or even win a super bowl.  

[Big Blitz]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Here is my 2 cents…

 

Anyone writing off Tua already or mocking the possibility he could take a step forward is being premature.  The reality is he is still very young in his career and has limited games in that brief career due to injuries and a veteran QB in Fitz part of the time.  
 

Second, he is loaded with weapons.  A mediocre QB in Alex Smith had a career year throwing to a prime Tyreek Hill.  Tua doesn’t have to be the next great QB for that offense to be legit and dangerous, it might be the overall fastest collection of skill players in the league.  
 

Now…on the other hand, anyone reading too much into the Tua looks good at this point in the season is also premature.  Like others have posted, we have heard that about guys like Peterman and even EJ Manuel at this time of the year.  It doesn’t really mean anything if he is looking good in light practices without the real pressures of being in game where defenses are playing full speed and you must make snap decisions and be accurate.  
 

So for me, I’m taking a wait and see approach here and not overlooking the Dolphins.  I do feel their last coach got them to over achieve (he was a good coach IMHO), so who knows how the new coaching staff does.  But they have enough weapons to make them a team to still keep an eye on.  And if Tua does take a step forward, that team will field a potentially dangerous offense.

 

Lastly…I keep seeing people talk about Tua as if he isn’t and can’t be Josh Allen.  That’s a bit outrageous given Allen has a case as the best QB and certainly is established as a top 5 QB in the NFL right now.  To use that high of a barometer to judge whether Tua can be a good starter is a bit silly.  You don’t have to be the next Josh Allen or the best QB in the NFL to win games, reach the playoffs or even win a super bowl.  

 

 

Agreed - but that doesn't mean I think Tua will become a top 10 QB.  No, but I think he will be ok and some weeks vs awful teams (very few in the AFC) you'll see 24-34 for 275 and 3 TD stat lines then vs good teams you'll see 24-34 for 175 1 TD and 3 INTs.

 

He started with a defensive head coach that was terrible; and who's team looked like it spent 90% of its time working on defense - except on Bills week.  

 

McDaniel feels to me like their front office said we need the best offensive mind we can find.  

 

That doesn't necessarily mean great head coach.  But who knows.  

[julian]

Until the Dolphins defense can come up with any resistance to Allen, they will continue to take the L.

 

 Maybe people think Tua will beat Allen in a shootout, Tua’s mom doesn’t believe that

[buffalo2218]

I love how the narrative for the Dolphins this year is Tua being the biggest question mark. McDaniel has very limited experience as a coordinator and from what I've been hearing, he's never really called plays up in SF with Shannahan running the show. Then there's all the talent they added on offense. If Tyreek Hill had to tell the brutally honest truth, he'd say he signed with Miami specifically for the money. If he really thinks that team is on the cusp, then he'll realize in a hurry that McDaniel is no Andy Reid nor is Tua anywhere close to Mahomes. I didn't know who Tyreek Hill was when Alex Smith was still in KC. If Tua's OL doesn't play lights out, the only speed that will matter is how fast he can run, which isn't very fast at all

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Is this last year’s thread?   Seems I’ve seen this story before.  
 

[Captain Hindsight]

36 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Is this last year’s thread?   Seems I’ve seen this story before.  
 

I think he’s finally ready to take the job from Fitzy 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

19 hours ago, SWATeam said:

MIA's roster is impressive.  Tua doesn't need to be Allen to have success, just average.  But, I tend to believe "where there's smoke there's fire" with how the Dolphins have handled Tua and what they seem to think of him.

 

His 2021 year has some concerning Tua trends.  Very RPO dependent, very short throw dependent, and the YAC numbers weren't very good for an offense of that style.

 

New coach, new offensive style, better weapons across the board.  I think he'll do alright this year - but the problem is he's now getting to extension territory so do they dismantle what they have to give Tua 40M a year?  

[Greg S]

1 minute ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

His 2021 year has some concerning Tua trends.  Very RPO dependent, very short throw dependent, and the YAC numbers weren't very good for an offense of that style.

 

New coach, new offensive style, better weapons across the board.  I think he'll do alright this year - but the problem is he's now getting to extension territory so do they dismantle what they have to give Tua 40M a year?  

 

Me if the Dolphins give Tua anything close to 40M a year.

 

[unbillievable]

15 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 

Me if the Dolphins give Tua anything close to 40M a year.

 

 

I want Tua to be like Kyler...

...just good enough to get 50mil/yr as a middle tier QB.

 

 

[Greg S]

1 minute ago, unbillievable said:

 

I want Tua to be like Kyler...

...just good enough to get 50mil/yr as a middle tier QB.

 

 

 

True. Good enough to screw up their cap but not good enough to win a championship. 

[GunnerBill]

30 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

His 2021 year has some concerning Tua trends.  Very RPO dependent, very short throw dependent, and the YAC numbers weren't very good for an offense of that style.

 

 

Agree with all that though I don't put the bolded really on Tua so much as I put it on bad offensive design and Waddle apart a lack of real twitchy, explosive guys. I think the plan is for McDaniels with his experience under Shanahan and the addition of Tyreek to help solve that YAC issue. But their offense will remain limited by the first two points. They are RPO, and by extension play action, and short game dependant. When they get behind they really struggle to generate those chunk plays.