SWATeam Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: James White is another free agent..........he's got some miles on him.......and a season ending hip injury in 2021 doesn't bode well for an older RB.........and he's typically been a below average option to hand the ball off to.........really more of a true "3rd down" back. The hip is a concern but 300 career carries ain't bad. Great receiver and would add a veteran winning presence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 At this point, too injured, too much $, and reliability moving forward is not high in confidence. They ran him into the ground. Just like TN will eventually do to King Henry (I’d say two years from now). Just like Seattle did to S. Alexander. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said: At this point, too injured, too much $, and reliability moving forward is not high in confidence. They ran him into the ground. Just like TN will eventually do to King Henry (I’d say two years from now). Just like Seattle did to S. Alexander. Henry might be an AP where he can’t be run into the ground. I’m glad CMC got paid for his skills, but I don't see him playing more than 10 games in a year. No way I want him on that contract 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted February 24, 2022 Author Share Posted February 24, 2022 3 hours ago, Herc11 said: There's a difference between talking about players we like, moves or trades we would like, etc... versus what OP posted about There is? Can you explain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Anywhere I look on the web the Avg. career of an NFL RB is 2.57 years. In his 1st three years he started in 42 games and had almost 930 touches. More of a load each year. A total of 10 games the last 2 years. 1,138 touches and a steep decline due to injuries. Some articles mentioned after getting 1800 touches, production declines. Sharply. Others mention a sharp decline after a 400 touch season. The numbers are out there. I think he's shot and would seek a RB who doesn't have the wear and tear on his body(and cheaper). I believe his last 2 injuries were leg injuries. Not good for a RB with the miles he has on him. He wouldn't have helped us the past 2 seasons with his lack of availability and I think the trend continues. Good for him on getting paid, though. Just glad it wasn't us. 197 touches in 2017 326 touches in 2018 403 touches in 2019 only 3 games played in 2020 only 7 games played in 2021 Edit: Not sure how trading a healthy Edmunds for a broke down RB is a good deal. I am so glad these people don't make the decisions at OBD. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein's Dog Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 10 minutes ago, Dopey said: Anywhere I look on the web the Avg. career of an NFL RB is 2.57 years. In his 1st three years he started in 42 games and had almost 930 touches. More of a load each year. A total of 10 games the last 2 years. 1,138 touches and a steep decline due to injuries. Some articles mentioned after getting 1800 touches, production declines. Sharply. Others mention a sharp decline after a 400 touch season. The numbers are out there. I think he's shot and would seek a RB who doesn't have the wear and tear on his body(and cheaper). I believe his last 2 injuries were leg injuries. Not good for a RB with the miles he has on him. He wouldn't have helped us the past 2 seasons with his lack of availability and I think the trend continues. Good for him on getting paid, though. Just glad it wasn't us. 197 touches in 2017 326 touches in 2018 403 touches in 2019 only 3 games played in 2020 only 7 games played in 2021 Edit: Not sure how trading a healthy Edmunds for a broke down RB is a good deal. I am so glad these people don't make the decisions at OBD. I think you should adjust your comparisons to more relevant samples, like say RBs selected within the first 10 picks. Or maybe HOF RBs (which CMC certainly could be). CMC is closer to the HOF sample than the average RB sample. When you say the numbers are out there, you are refering to small sample sizes with high variability. Hard to apply those figures as any indicator of how CMC will do. I think CMC will rebound. Here is Josh's Thurman Thomas. And no offense to the 90s Bills but this has the look of: Josh>Kelly, CMC>Thurman, Diggs>Reed, offensive juggernaut. I floated the Edmunds throw-in because I was agreeing with the poster who couldn't believe the CMC acquisition would be possible for a 3rd and 5th (plus paying $8M). IMO, trading Edmunds helps the FO (and my fears) get out of paying Edmunds big money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 I think a trade for Barkley is more likely given the familiarity of the front offices. Beasley, Feliciano, Moss, and a 6th rounder for Barkley. Giants need to purge some bad contracts. They get 3 starters and a draft pick for basically same cap space as Barkley. Bills take a swing on a big play RB by trading 3 guys they were likely moving on from anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 On 2/22/2022 at 3:31 PM, transplantbillsfan said: Not lengthy, just concentrated over the last 2 seasons. Seems like everyone's forgotten he was injury free for his first 3 years in the NFL. Im more concerned about CMC injury history than say Barkley because CMC has a lot of soft tissue issues which can be chronic. Barkley had a couple unlucky injuries that would have hurt anyone. Im not against CMC coming here, but the injury issue is a legit concern given the types he has had and frequency the last 2 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 On 2/21/2022 at 8:23 PM, Alphadawg7 said: I dont think you guys read the article. His cap hit is almost a wash with Beasley in trade according to the article. Says he has $8.1M cap hit and Beasley in trade clears over $7M in space. At this point, with the emergence of Knox and Davis, our slot guy is our #4 target. Maybe even #5 if Josh sticks to what he has learned about taking what the D gives and finding the RB to dump to on a regular basis. No way should we be spending that much money on our 4th/5th target, regardless if it is Beasley, CMC, or anyone else. Extend and restructure Diggs, extend/re-sign Knox since he is due this year, get ready to extend Davis, find a speedy slot guy in the mid-rounds of the draft. IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 24 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Im more concerned about CMC injury history than say Barkley because CMC has a lot of soft tissue issues which can be chronic. Barkley had a couple unlucky injuries that would have hurt anyone. Im not against CMC coming here, but the injury issue is a legit concern given the types he has had and frequency the last 2 years. Yeah I had similar thoughts. Was going to say I would have pretty much the same amount of concern regarding CMC as I would Barkley, maybe even a little more so about availability. Also imo it's not the position I would consider the most important for an upgrade needed to get that final push. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 There was some interesting chatter today about a proposed trade on the NFL Network. I kind of like this deal but other Bills fans were 100% opposed given his contract and injury history. As long as he could stay healthy, I think he would bring a new dimension to the offense that Josh has never had. Still I know Beane really values 1st round draft picks. I can’t see him trading #25 this year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Nope. We have no cap room and I don't think overpaying an injury-prone rb and giving up a first rounder is smart in the long term. Draft a rb or sign a veteran much cheaper. 4 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 (edited) Let me put it this way, if Brandon Beane did this I wouldn't write him nasty letters... . Edited March 3, 2022 by HOUSE 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 CMC would be Stefon Diggs level for this offense. I'm in for #25. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offyourocker Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 (edited) No way. Would be very disappointing. Maybe a second Edited March 3, 2022 by offyourocker 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, offyourocker said: No way. Would be very disappointing. Maybe a seond You would be disappointed for a second?? I would be mad for over 30 minutes . Edited March 3, 2022 by HOUSE 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 If nor for the contract yes, I think if CMC played on a team where he wasn't the entire team he could last the entire year. Wins cure nagging injuries. Sadly, his contract make this a non-conversation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 If they include their first round pick I'd consider it. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Only if I was very drunk! Or if Carolina is going to pick up a big chunk of the contract. Without either of these two things, then NO Contract is too big and he's hurt too much for a 1st round pick, maybe a 3rd rounder with an extra conditional pick next year based on milestones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Are they picking up half his contract? Uh,... That's a no for me dawg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 No way fir a 1st. Maybe a mid round one. He’s just like barley…a big injury risk. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 There is no way I want to go from Motorin' to Sister Christian at that expense. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 If they sent us a first sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Finkel Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 How about taking care of the defense. We don’t have a super bowl D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Oh joy. Another Christian McCaffrey thread 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Not interested in any high-motor lunch-pail RBs, no matter what their stats look like. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Not unless they throw in a bunch of these: 25 cent minimum coins! 😠 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Owed $17M per year for the next 4 seasons. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/christian-mccaffrey-21749/ Why on earth would we trade a first for McCaffrey when we can sign any RB we want for that kind of money. That's $2M/yr more than Derrick Henry and Alvin Kamara and way more than Dalvin Cook and Joe Mixon. 1 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩 A first for a player of Diggs caliber and health record, sure, his contract was absorbable when the trade was made, unlike CMC’s would be this season, on top of his injury record, no bueno, given we are currently over the cap, it doesn’t sound Beane thing to do, You damn well better have all your ducks in a row before you pull that first round pick/trade trigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 8 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Not unless they throw in a bunch of these: 25 cent minimum coins! 😠 and 3 of these Mallow Cup. 😋 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 no 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 It's a great trade...for those who'd like to see Beane fired. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 If he was on his initial deal still, then sure. With that contract, not very interested. If they are dead set on acquiring a running back, I would rather take a flyer on Barkley for a late round pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Not for his current contract. We already went this route with McCoy. No need to overpay for a dime a dozen position 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 (edited) Only if he's used like the weapon that he is. If he's Miles Sander'd (stupid Sirianni), I'd be pissed! Edited March 3, 2022 by Chicken Boo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Not a chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 47 minutes ago, Allen2Diggs said: Nope. We have no cap room and I don't think overpaying an injury-prone rb and giving up a first rounder is smart in the long term. Draft a rb or sign a veteran much cheaper. The injury is the big question mark. The RB you draft or sign is not going to have the impact a healthy McCaffrey will 5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Not a chance You’d rather have another Greg Rosseau? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 As I imagine many have already said, he costs too much, has a lot of wear and tear and won't fit under the cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 7 minutes ago, JohnNord said: The injury is the big question mark. The RB you draft or sign is not going to have the impact a healthy McCaffrey will You’d rather have another Greg Rosseau? Yes vs. a guy who plays maybe a third of games. And especially at RB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 49 minutes ago, Gugny said: There is no way I want to go from Motorin' to Sister Christian at that expense. THIS^^^ Inspired! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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