Super Bowl Post Game Thread

[TheBrownBear]

1 hour ago, DapperCam said:

Terrell Owens almost always delivered. He had an as good or better game than Kupp just had on a broken leg in the SB. Strange example to choose.

Sorry, I was/am drunk and was just trying to come up with a cocky bastard who never brought home a ring.  Feel free to insert whomever you'd prefer to complete the analogy.

[ngbills]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

Nothing guarantees you win the whole thing. I guess we should just do nothing huh.

 

You’re right though. If the Rams didn’t win the Super Bowl, we wouldn’t be talking about how they won the Super Bowl. but they did and we are. Because that’s the reality.

Rams have been to 2 of the last 4 supers bowls and made sure he playoffs 4 of the past 5 years. You can all in every year and still be competitive every year. If the rams suck the next 5 years then they traded a super bowl for 5 awful years. 

[FireChans]

6 minutes ago, ngbills said:

Rams have been to 2 of the last 4 supers bowls and made sure he playoffs 4 of the past 5 years. You can all in every year and still be competitive every year. If the rams suck the next 5 years then they traded a super bowl for 5 awful years. 

I would trade 5 sucky years for a Super Bowl. I’ve watched the team for 17 sucky years WITHOUT a Super Bowl already. 

[RobbRiddicksTDLeap]

Joe Burrow didn’t light it up tonight. He’s a young kid, who much like the other Joe’s they kept mentioning him with, he has a voice. He didn’t play that great tonight, but he also didn’t have anyone protecting him. I don’t remember a single team winning a Super Bowl with piss poor offensive line play.

 

No one can convince me that these games aren’t fixed. Not all of them, but the terrible officiating in this game tonight, was a clear example of it. That Bengals TD to open the second half was egregious. I’m no fan of Jalen Ramsey, but come on. The line judge was right there. He’s got a flag, he threw one later in the game with everything on the line. It’s frustrating to watch over and over again. And Goodell sits in his suite chatting it up with Russell Wilson and LeBron, while the integrity of the game crumbles. 
 

I don’t understand the narrative that Collinsworth was pushing. The whole “Stanford has no one to throw too” routine got old real quick on that last 15 play drive where McVay finally realized he has the OPOY in the huddle. That kid is amazing, and deserves all the money he can get. Aaron Donald is an amazing football player. He took over that game with aggression and focused rage. He’s an impressive person, and seeing him humble and crying at the end of the game was really a powerful message for young men. You can be an absolute monster on the field, and want to play in the confetti with your children. His vulnerability in that moment is something that the league should focus on, when it tries to inspire its younger audience. 
 

Pretty meh game. I told my son that the Bills would have smoked the Rams tonight. I truly believe that. I have sour grapes in my mouth, and that’s unfortunate, but whatever. I know that Josh Allen would have never taken that many sacks.

 

Our time will come. 

[BobbyC81]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Is handing the ball to Perine on 3rd and 1 the worst Super Bowl play call in recent history?

Nothing may ever…ever…ever…be worse than the Seahawks throwing a pass at the goal line when they could’ve just handed off to Marshawn Lynch.

[That's No Moon]

Anyone surprised when the flags started flying on the GW drive? There was no way Cincinnati was going to win that game. It wasn't going to be permitted. When can we start calling this what it is? The WWE.

[Old Coot]

I don't understand the Burrows haters.  How can you not like a guy who looks like a 1930s G-man?

[Old Coot]

10 minutes ago, BobbyC81 said:

Nothing may ever…ever…ever…be worse than the Seahawks throwing a pass at the goal line when they could’ve just handed off to Marshawn Lynch.

I thought so, too until I heard Pete Carroll's reasoning:  If Lynch does not get in the clock keeps running.  By throwing a low risk pass like that, it's either a TD because the Pats expect a run or its incomplete stopping the clock and giving the Seahawks more time to run more plays.

 

Remember Lynch is hard to bring down once he gets going but he can be stopped behind the line.

 

I'm not saying that I agree with carroll but his reasonong makes some sense.

[BullBuchanan]

2 hours ago, TheBrownBear said:

I really didn't care who won, but now that's it's over, I'm glad we won't get 6 months of unbearable Burrow ball washing.

He still dragged the Bengals to their first SB appearance in 30+ years. The kid isn't going anywhere and he's already one of the best in he league. It wasn't a great night for him, but he had to come down to earth eventually.

[Boatdrinks]

9 minutes ago, Old Coot said:

I thought so, too until I heard Pete Carroll's reasoning:  If Lynch does not get in the clock keeps running.  By throwing a low risk pass like that, it's either a TD because the Pats expect a run or its incomplete stopping the clock and giving the Seahawks more time to run more plays.

 

Remember Lynch is hard to bring down once he gets going but he can be stopped behind the line.

 

I'm not saying that I agree with carroll but his reasonong makes some sense.

Except when it’s intercepted.... seemed like Carroll forgot the old chestnut about 3 things that can happen when you pass and 2 of them are bad.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

2 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Squib kick and we win Super Bowl.  We didn’t need him.

While I agree McDermott cost the Bills and Buffalo a SB.

Von Miller on that defense and the KC game isn't even close.

1 hour ago, ngbills said:

Rams have been to 2 of the last 4 supers bowls and made sure he playoffs 4 of the past 5 years. You can all in every year and still be competitive every year. If the rams suck the next 5 years then they traded a super bowl for 5 awful years. 

I make that trade any day. Bills sucked for 17 years without a SB

[Ray Stonada]

Funny to me to see all the criticism of Burrow, who was running for his life on every play. Even when he connected it was in the face of the rush. He stayed cool and made some big throws.

 

Well played game, the Rams' offense eked it out. Just barely. With Beckham they might have cruised.

 

Worst part was the Bengals not getting a first down at the fifty from 2nd and 1 with the game on the line! Incompletion, stuffed run (not by Mixon?), and terrible play call when your line can't protect the pass. 

 

Spain got burned on the game ending sack by Donald. I laughed at that.

 

Also, I'm sure many will disagree, but I loved the halftime show. So many legends, so many songs I listened to on walkman back in the early 90s. It was awesome to see Dre, Snoop, Mary J, Eminem, and 50 all looking and sounding good and Snoop and Dre truly represent the West Coast. It was about time for hip hop to get to be center stage at a halftime show. I liked the live instruments, little piano tribute to Tupac. Kendrick Lamar is another generation, but a genius too.

 

 

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

47 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

Anyone surprised when the flags started flying on the GW drive? There was no way Cincinnati was going to win that game. It wasn't going to be permitted. When can we start calling this what it is? The WWE.

 

 

The flags didn't come out until the Rams got to first and goal.   

 

They refs had been letting them play all game.........but with the focus that was going to be on those last two minutes I don't think the refs wanted to be cited for letting the defense man-handle the Rams at the end.    The officials certainly lost their nerve to hold the hankies.......but I don't think it was a conspiracy.   The play before the first flag that was thrown was an egregious PI that they let go.   At that point I think they knew the Bengals were just going to try to grab everything and hope the flags continued to stay in the pockets.

 

Bengals don't have much to complain about..........the Higgins TD where he face masked Ramsey was a free 7 points.   In the prior levels of the playoffs the flag comes out there........the officials convene.......and the sky judge tells them its OPI on Higgins and that drive is dead.    Sky judge apparently wasn't an option in the SB.

[NickelCity]

11 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

The flags didn't come out until the Rams got to first and goal.   

 

They refs had been letting them play all game.........but with the focus that was going to be on those last two minutes I don't think the refs wanted to be cited for letting the defense man-handle the Rams at the end.    The officials certainly lost their nerve to hold the hankies.......but I don't think it was a conspiracy.   The play before the first flag that was thrown was an egregious PI that they let go.   At that point I think they knew the Bengals were just going to try to grab everything and hope the flags continued to stay in the pockets.

 

Bengals don't have much to complain about..........the Higgins TD where he face masked Ramsey was a free 7 points.   In the prior levels of the playoffs the flag comes out there........the officials convene.......and the sky judge tells them its OPI on Higgins and that drive is dead.    Sky judge apparently wasn't an option in the SB.

 

This take bears repeating. Right on the money. 

[Old Coot]

59 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Except when it’s intercepted.... seemed like Carroll forgot the old chestnut about 3 things that can happen when you pass and 2 of them are bad.

You are right on both counts but its a low risk throw.  Malcolm Butler made a great play on the ball.  I read afterward that the Pats practiced against that pattern and Butler wasn't able tp prevent a completion but learned from his mistake.

[Doc Brown]

57 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

While I agree McDermott cost the Bills and Buffalo a SB.

Von Miller on that defense and the KC game isn't even close.

Maybe but the fact is we had the personnel to have the best team in the NFL on the ropes in the playoffs even with our #1 CB out.  if it wasn't for a comedy of coaching errors we easily could've won the Super Bowl without giving up a 2nd and 3rd round pick like the Rams did. 

 

Unfortunately, there's no easy answer at DE.  If we can somehow find a cost effective upgrade at DE in free agency than we should definitely pursue him.  If not, I'd be fine bringing back Hughes and/or Addison.  Maybe draft another edge rusher and hope Rousseau, Basham, or Epenesa have a break out season.

[TBBills]

Looks like you don't need a run game at all to win a Super Bowl 

[muppy]

5 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

I care because I want this team to be a dynasty, and with Allen being 25 years old that is a real possibility. I advocated for signing OBJ mid-season. I would trade a 1st for Danielle Hunter if we could. I just don't want us to sacrifice the team 2-3 years from now to go championship or bust right now. All those resources the Rams gave up didn't make them a dominant team. They weren't the favorite to win it all heading into the postseason. All of that sacrificing the future to win the Super Bowl by the skin of their teeth. That isn't an argument for that team building strategy. If the Bengals had won does that mean o-line talent doesn't matter? No, it would just mean that a team with a bad o-line won the Super Bowl. So a team that mortgaged their future won the Super Bowl. There are other ways to win a championship and still be in position to win another one for the next 5 years after that. That's what I want the Bills to do.

When it comes to wether a team will or will not return to a Super bowl is a tangled web to untangle. Sooo many variables can factor in...say like injuries, a draft pick doesn't live up to his hype  (Cody Ford comes to my mind) or a free agent sucks....... just failed coaching decisions..all those kinds of things have happened and overcome..right? ....so my point is a Bills dynasty is built with the linchpin piece QB and then strive to make each position better than the previous years.  Keep the pipeline of developmental guys coming in is Key. .Such monumental  personnel decisions are not easy. Who we could have drafted, should have etc. are crazymaking questions for me,  We all hope that the coaches learn from past errors. And McBeane, I really pray our scouts are up to snuff moving forward. ....Bottom line for me is all this talk of the future while interesting ..it contains NO certainties, no givens. So much change happens. I dunno. Maybe prognosticating just isn't my bag. Just a few thoughts mate.

 

m

[harryS]

Happy for Aaron Donald, a legend of the game.  Couldn't care less about Stafford.  It's like saying, "finally the long-awaited ring for Kirk Cousins! so deserving!"

 

Satisfied with the Rams win because it might send a message to McBeane since the Snead/McVay partnership in L.A. started the same season the McBeane partnership started in Buffalo.  Two Super Bowl appearances, including a win for Snead/McVay.  This helps keep McBeane humble hopefully, lets them know their poop does stink.  

 

6 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:

My hot take: This was the last SB Joe Burrow has ever played.

 

This isn't really a bold prediction considering how hard it is to get there.  Will Josh ever get there, with McD as his coach?

[Billsatlastin2018]

“Is handing the ball to Perine on 3rd and 1 the worst Super Bowl play call in recent history?”

 

NOT handing it to Marshawn Lynch is!

 

And ONLY because it was the SB, does it not pale in comparison to 13 seconds of infamy- the WORST PLAYOFF HC effort in the history of the NFL! 

***** YOU, McClapper!

Josh should have been carrying the SB trophy through the airport to a greeting of 100k wild, drunk/ stoned Bills Fans!

[muppy]

3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

The flags didn't come out until the Rams got to first and goal.   

 

They refs had been letting them play all game.........but with the focus that was going to be on those last two minutes I don't think the refs wanted to be cited for letting the defense man-handle the Rams at the end.    The officials certainly lost their nerve to hold the hankies.......but I don't think it was a conspiracy.   The play before the first flag that was thrown was an egregious PI that they let go.   At that point I think they knew the Bengals were just going to try to grab everything and hope the flags continued to stay in the pockets.

 

Bengals don't have much to complain about..........the Higgins TD where he face masked Ramsey was a free 7 points.   In the prior levels of the playoffs the flag comes out there........the officials convene.......and the sky judge tells them its OPI on Higgins and that drive is dead.    Sky judge apparently wasn't an option in the SB.

I found the lack of flags refreshing.  The flags flown at the end were their attempt to keep things equitable in the Crunch time of game.  Frankly I think because I was not really that invested in who won or lost the game the referees call style didn't bother me unduly.

 

But I will say over this season It is Obvious that officiating is Never going to be perfect. The NFL has vested interest in their bottom line remaining constant and growing.  Game integrity? pfft. I think they could do waaay more to improve things but don't. Give "game officials are Human" excuse and forgo any possible changes that conceivably could Right obvious Wrongs.. u feel me?. And not just in the Super bowl either.  Regular season. I know this is only a game but stakes are also super high. I just think there are outside the box ideas that need implemented to eliminate many officiating snafus.

Edited February 14, 2022 by muppy

[Billsatlastin2018]

 

Regular season. I know this is only a game but stakes are also super high. I just think there are outside the box ideas that need implemented to eliminate many officiating snafus.”

 

I had many, including digital technology, but most critically, replacing every slow, blind, fearful Ref with a Division One, High Wonderlic, athlete, not selected in the Draft.

 

Steve Tasker has said you just can’t have a bonus crew sitting around waiting to replace incompetent losers, at a cost of a million $ a year.
 

And why NOT?

 

The NFL is a Trillion $ Biz, owned by 32 Billionaires! An extra mill is a chump change cost to doing Biz. Anyone who misses blatantly obvious calls needs their ass sacked and replaced- asap.

[wjag]

My not so unbiased Super bowl thoughts

 

1.  Copper Kupp was unbelievable.

2. Aaron Donald was unbelievable.

3. That desperation throw on Cincy's last play almost connected.  If it had, it would have been the play of the superbowl.

4. Glad Cincy lost.  Just am.

5. Jalen Ramsey gets beat twice on big plays.  Me like it.

6. OBJ going down really hurt the Rams.

7. Imagine waking up in Detroit today knowing that Stafford won.  Must really suck being a Lions fan.

8. The halftime show was NOT my cup of tea.  My son on the other hand loved it.

9. When Rams changed their pass rush technique in the 3rd quarter, the game changed.  Wonder if the "great" Spagnola looks at that and says why didn't we do that?  

10. I bet Burrow is one sore football player this AM.

[VaMilBill]

To be honest, I think the Rams D line as a collective earned MVP. Or at least give it to Donald. They kept the Rams in the game while their offense was anemic. it seemed like every drive in the second half burrow was being sacked and it destroyed drives for them. 
 

If Bengals scored once I think the Rams lose that game. 

[Greg S]

The best thing about last nights game for me was my numbers came in for the final. $5 dollar pool won me $175.

[BuffaloBillyG]

Joe Burrow: Close...but no cigar.

[TBBills]

3 hours ago, harryS said:

This isn't really a bold prediction considering how hard it is to get there.  Will Josh ever get there, with McD as his coach?

The Bengals got lucky.

[FLFan]

The game was largely boring.  It looked like a mid season game between two middling teams.  The standout performances of the game came at the very : Kupp putting the team on his back for the winning points, and Donald blowing up two plays in a row to seal the deal.  

 

I was was glad to see Burrow taken down a notch and glad to see Stafford get his ring.  Otherwise, ho hum.  I think the Bills would have crushed either, but we will never know. 

[Seventeen]

1 hour ago, wjag said:

My not so unbiased Super bowl thoughts

 

1.  Copper Kupp was unbelievable.

2. Aaron Donald was unbelievable.

3. That desperation throw on Cincy's last play almost connected.  If it had, it would have been the play of the superbowl.

4. Glad Cincy lost.  Just am.

5. Jalen Ramsey gets beat twice on big plays.  Me like it.

6. OBJ going down really hurt the Rams.

7. Imagine waking up in Detroit today knowing that Stafford won.  Must really suck being a Lions fan.

8. The halftime show was NOT my cup of tea.  My son on the other hand loved it.

9. When Rams changed their pass rush technique in the 3rd quarter, the game changed.  Wonder if the "great" Spagnola looks at that and says why didn't we do that?  

10. I bet Burrow is one sore football player this AM.

 

4. Agreed - don't think we need another Broadway Joe

5. Makes me appreciate Tre all the more

7. It sucked being a Bills fan for a long time as well

8. Same but I'm old 

[dave mcbride]

10 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

The Bengals got to the Super Bowl too early in their life cycle. It's hard to win championships with such a glaring issue on the roster.

I have said elsewhere that if people actually watched that team over the course of the season, they’d realize how terrible their line actually is. 

[skibum]

Decent game, but it really made me think these two teams were lucky to be there. Lots of mistakes and mediocre play on both sides. Mostly bad throws and drops, plus superstars like Ramsey not playing well at all. Very frustrating to watch; couldn't stop thinking the Bills (or Chiefs or Bucs or Packers) would have won that game by 20.

 

Oh well, they all had their shot and didn't make it. Hats off to Stafford and the Rams, and I'm glad the Bills still have a chance to win a SB before the Bengals. 

[Steve O]

Just remember the teams that played, because in 10 years they will be the answer to the super bowl trivia question "what two teams played in the super bowl the last time the Bills weren't in it"

[SoMAn]

3 hours ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

“Is handing the ball to Perine on 3rd and 1 the worst Super Bowl play call in recent history?”

 

NOT handing it to Marshawn Lynch is!

 

And ONLY because it was the SB, does it not pale in comparison to 13 seconds of infamy- the WORST PLAYOFF HC effort in the history of the NFL! 

***** YOU, McClapper!

Josh should have been carrying the SB trophy through the airport to a greeting of 100k wild, drunk/ stoned Bills Fans!

If I were in Zac Taylor's shoes and it wasn't under 2 minutes, I would have challenged that spot. 

The ball was clearly as far as the 'L' in the NFL shield at midfield. The officials spotted it about a yard further back. Even from the reverse angle, using the numbers painted on the field for reference, it easy to see how far the ball was before the runner was pushed back a yard.

 

It may still have been short, but only by inches if it were spotted where I believe it should have been.

Between that spot and some of the dubious calls that more or less gave the Rams a gimme touchdown, I'd be pissed if I was a Bengals fan.

 

Maybe it's a blessing that the Bills didn't play in the superbowl and have the same fate or we could've added that to the list of cursed moments in Buffalo sports history.

 

 

[Beerball]

One thing last night proved is that Ed Oliver is a nice little player.

[Low Positive]

24 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

I have said elsewhere that if people actually watched that team over the course of the season, they’d realize how terrible their line actually is. 

I watched every Bengals game this year, and you're right. They also were not that good this year. They got destroyed by the Browns 41-16 at home. They got to play an incredibly injured Ravens team twice and the Steelers without TJ Watt both times. They just went on a run, starting with that win against KC in week 17. Every ball bounced their way until last night. Now they are thrown back into the grinder that is the AFC North with the worst owner in the NFL. Everyone points out their cap space, but Mike Brown has never spent up to the cap. He just doesn't have the money. They really had to get it done last night. 

[In Summary]

The epic amount of non football related stuff that was presented did nothing for me.  The game feels like a sideshow. So be it.

[Billsfan1972]

The Officials gifted the Bengals a 75 yard TD.  Sorry any make-up call afterwards, just evened it up.....😜

 

For a 23-20 games, it was meh at best.  Neither QB was overly impressive (stats make them look better then they were).

 

What was Collinsworth doing blaming Stafford's second int on the receiver?  It was not a good pass.

 

Defenses played well, but game felt disjointed.

 

Must admit too, I just wasn't into it regardless.   

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

3 hours ago, muppy said:

I found the lack of flags refreshing.  The flags flown at the end were their attempt to keep things equitable in the Crunch time of game.  Frankly I think because I was not really that invested in who won or lost the game the referees call style didn't bother me unduly.

 

But I will say over this season It is Obvious that officiating is Never going to be perfect. The NFL has vested interest in their bottom line remaining constant and growing.  Game integrity? pfft. I think they could do waaay more to improve things but don't. Give "game officials are Human" excuse and forgo any possible changes that conceivably could Right obvious Wrongs.. u feel me?. And not just in the Super bowl either.  Regular season. I know this is only a game but stakes are also super high. I just think there are outside the box ideas that need implemented to eliminate many officiating snafus.

 

He did hold.. And Apple did interfere... Bengals fans complaining how they let them play to that point and why call it now?  Because its a penalty.  

18 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

The Officials gifted the Bengals a 75 yard TD.  Sorry any make-up call afterwards, just evened it up.....😜

 

For a 23-20 games, it was meh at best.  Neither QB was overly impressive (stats make them look better then they were).

 

What was Collinsworth doing blaming Stafford's second int on the receiver?  It was not a good pass.

 

Defenses played well, but game felt disjointed.

 

Must admit too, I just wasn't into it regardless.   

 

Yeah stafford had a few misfires, the OBJ injury was another pretty lousy throw.  The WR on the 2nd one couldve put in a better effort, he didnt even extend his right hand to try and catch it.  It was also probably thrown way too hard.  

 

Burrow had the nice throw to Chase... and the bomb to higgins with the questionable no-call.  Other than that he was 20/31 for 142 yards, with 7 sacks for 43 yards and 2 rushes for 3 yards.  So assuming all of that... on the remaining 40 pass plays they gained 102 yards.  There's a "big play" offense, and theres an inefficient offense.  

Edited February 14, 2022 by dneveu

[y2zipper]

43 minutes ago, skibum said:

Decent game, but it really made me think these two teams were lucky to be there. Lots of mistakes and mediocre play on both sides. Mostly bad throws and drops, plus superstars like Ramsey not playing well at all. Very frustrating to watch; couldn't stop thinking the Bills (or Chiefs or Bucs or Packers) would have won that game by 20.

 

Oh well, they all had their shot and didn't make it. Hats off to Stafford and the Rams, and I'm glad the Bills still have a chance to win a SB before the Bengals. 

 

I thought Stafford played pretty well. He gets credited with a couple of interceptions, but one was essentially a punt and the other hit his receiver right in hands.

 

It's a little bit of a disjointed game, but I think it shows that the idea that coaching in the short term can overcome an area of your team that's significantly worse is a little bit overblown. 

 

With the Rams offense, the attrition battle was front and center. They were missing three of their top four skill position players and it showed, especially after Beckham went out and The Bengals we're basically able to change the way they were defending.

 

On the other side, the Bengals had a bad offensive line, everyone knew it, they continue to be unable to be the basic stunt when the Rams started running it.

 

[simpleman]

8 hours ago, That's No Moon said:

Anyone surprised when the flags started flying on the GW drive? There was no way Cincinnati was going to win that game. It wasn't going to be permitted. When can we start calling this what it is? The WWE.

Yes. When the officials suddenly started calling everything they could against Cinci in the last 2 minutes, when the Rams needed a TD to win, while letting almost anything goes by either team previously during the rest of the game.  I thought about the WWE's style of entertainment, rather than the sport.

 It ended like it started. A former WWE star imitating an WWE announcer. And it ended with the NFL officials giving the RAMS more and more chances to score, whenever they missed on their previous chances. Until they finally won it. 

I knew the NFL had identical values to the WWE's values about the integrity of the sport. I also thought about Bench still being banned in baseball, while the NFL is actively all in on profits from gambling. Integrity of the sport be dammed.