Urban Meyer - "Worst experience in my professional life“

[Punching Bag]

2 hours ago, Draconator said:

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-urban-meyer-jaguars-worst-experience-ive-had-in-my-professional-lifetime-162828561.html

 

 

 

The NFLPA will not be asking him to speak during meetings.

[RoyBatty is alive]

33 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

You hit on an important point, which is the way to beat KC in Arrowhead in the playoffs is to NOT PLAY KC IN ARROWHEAD IN THE PLAYOFFS.

 

I.E., do MORE during the regular season and lock up home field advantage.  We easily could and should have done that this year, and failed to do it with mediocre play.  

 

The season was lost there, not in Arrowhead.

 

 

 

 

Season was lost in Jax.

[Albany,n.y.]

2 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

It's still mind blowing the Bills lost to this guy, and in hindsight it's essentially the game that cost them home field over the Chiefs in the playoffs.

 

This is the type of stuff the Pegulas truly need to consider if McDermott doesn't deliver next year.

They lost the game because the O-line was a mess.  What was McDermott supposed to do, play OG himself ?

If your mind is blown when a team loses a game with an O-line in shambles, maybe you need to understand the game better. 

[ControllerOfPlanetX]

Dick Jauron needed to tell Urban that the “NFL is hard.”

[AlfaBill]

2 hours ago, ArtVandalay said:

So because you used to be bad, you lower your expectations and allow egregious incompetence that costs you success? That's such a loser mentality. Our standards with Allen are Chamionship caliber, not "don't suck". 

 

There's a huge difference between building culture and competitiveness and being a high level game day coach with the caliber needed to win a Chamionship. 

 

This was not the first playoff mis-step either, it's the 3rd consecutive year, the Texans debacle inthe 2nd half was horrible, the Chiefs have last year horrible planning letting Hill and Kelce run free, too conservative, and zero adjustments... but the difference this year is we were the better team and we would have been Super Bowl favorites and were held back by our coaching staff, again, from reaching our full potential. We had the game won and he found away to squander it away, he's the main reason we were 0-6 in 1 score games.

 

McDermott also has one of the worst of not the worst track record of challenges in the entire league,  6 for 23 in his 5 years, absolutely horrific. Reid was 4-0 in just this season alone lol. Just speaks to how bad he is from a cerebral standpoint on the sideline.  Screaming and clapping doesn't win Chamionships.

This staff has been really good. They say that even though we have a good TE we’re looking to always upgrade every position. If should be the same with the coaching staff. Not saying we should get rid of anyone BUT we should NOT settle for good. 

[FilthyBeast]

3 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Exactly. Our entire season could've been different if we only rout a team we should've annihilated.  We would've had KC at home. And even KC players admitted playing the Bills at home would have been a struggle. Losing to Jacksonville is like that missed extra point that you just know will bite you in the ass down the road. 

 

When the dust finally settles and true post mortem on the 2021 season is complete, this team can look back at the Steelers and Jaguars games as the reasons their season ended in the divisional round.

 

Win both those games and you are the #1 seed and even the head to head loss against the Titans doesn't stop that. And there is simply no excuse this team should have lost those games.

 

TB/NE/TEN....Should have been no worse than 1-2 in those games as well.

 

The Colts was the only true outlier on the season and still think that was just one of those days against a team that played their SB in hindsight against the team who beat them in the playoffs the prior season.

 

[ArtVandalay]

22 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

This is a load of crap.  

 

Egregious incompetence?   McDermott is recognized around the league as an excellent coach.   The fact that someone missed a detail, telling Bass to squib kick, is so far from "egregious incompetence," it's absurd.   It was just a mistake. 

 

A "huge" difference between building culture and competitiveness and being a championship coach?   Nonsense.  The difference isn't "huge," and it is in fact a culture of competitiveness that makes coaches and players become champions.  

 

And you point to Andy Reid as some kind of paragon.  Reid lost just as many playoff games in his first five seasons as McDermott has.  Belichick was under .500 in his first five seasons and went to the playoffs only once.   

 

 

Grow up and find a better way to deal with your disappointment.  

 

It's not crap or nonsense, and delivering well deserved direct criticism isn't an excuse of disappointment, it's well deserved. He shouldn't be held on a pedestal above criticism because the team had a drought prior to him, or just because he's the coach of your favorite team -- that's crap. 

 

There is a massive difference between building a team culture and making game day decisions with a high end team, two completely different situations requiring different skill sets. 

 

McDermott's challenge history is the worst in the NFL, not joking, his career success rate was dead last in the league in 2020 and has not improved. He's successfully won 6 challenges in 5 seasons out of 23 attempts... now this isn't meant to be an end ask be all but rather a quantified illustration of how poor his game day decisions are. 

 

0-6 in one possession games, winless due to his poor decisions.  And I'm not saying we should have won every game, good teams are going to have close losses but not winning a single game? His blunders and awful calls are the reason it's 0-6 instead of 1-5 or 3-3.

 

We didn't squib, yes bad call, but whatever forget about that.  The egregious incompetence is the defense that was called after two time outs, playing his 2 best defenders so deep they were not involved in the play and rushing 4 when Mahomes couldn't hold the ball, and giving every receiver a clean release with a 15 yard cushion, was just grossly negligent. It took special stupidity to squander that game. And this isn't even Monday morning quarterbacking, this was so egregious every fan, the commentators, everyone was calling it out stunned and scratching their heads as it happened. You could have pulled a fan out of the seats to coach the final 13 seconds and we win.

 

He's got 21 years NFL coaching experience, 5 as head coach, 47 years old, and he's getting worse on game day not better, he's not going to ever "get it". He's never won a thing in his life at any point in his coaching career,  0 super bowls, and it will continue to be that way.  There's zero reason to hold him up as a great coach,  stop being overly committed because he broke a drought.

 

A great coach will make decisions that will win you more games than you should.  An average/good won't cost you games you should win.  A below average/bad coach will cost you games you should win.  And McDermott has placed himself firmly in the last category. 

 

It's one thing to coach a team to grinding out defensive struggles running the ball like when he first broke the drought. It's another thing to coach a team with a high powered offense going toe to toe with the league's best.  It's like driving a tractor trailer vs driving a Ferrari. He's so far over his head with this team. Thank you for your contributions Sean, but this team is well above your caliber as a coach and you are costing us success,  buh bye.

[ndirish1978]

I figured he was referring to the lack of security down there at the chophouse.  Security has to employ better cell phone shielding discipline, that's on the coches for poor preparation.

[Mango]

On 1/26/2022 at 12:07 PM, FilthyBeast said:

It's still mind blowing the Bills lost to this guy, and in hindsight it's essentially the game that cost them home field over the Chiefs in the playoffs.

 

This is the type of stuff the Pegulas truly need to consider if McDermott doesn't deliver next year.

 

Can't wait for the Pegula's to grace us with presence of their NFL versions of Ron Rolston, Ted Nolan, Dan Bylsma, Phil Housley, Ralph Gruger,  Don Granato and Kevyn Adams. 

I don't trust the Pegula's to upgrade the coach. I also think McD is very good. Is he HOF? I don't know. But I think he is hall of very good. Things can go south very quickly. Thinking of those SD teams moving on from Shottenheimer because of 14-2 and playoff loses, only to become completely irrelevant with a great QB. 

 

 

[Bob Chandler's Hands]

On 1/26/2022 at 12:41 PM, ArtVandalay said:

Sean McDermott was one of only two coaches in the league to lose to this disaster.  Let that sink in. 

Three coaches, actually. Unless you're saying that Frank Reich or Brian Flores were not in fact NFL coaches at that time.  

[ArtVandalay]

Just now, Bob Chandler's Hands said:

Three coaches, actually. Unless you're saying that Frank Reich or Brian Flores were not in fact NFL coaches at that time.  

You are like the third person that had incorrectly stated this. 

 

Darrell Bevell was coaching the Jags for their 3rd win in week 18,  Meyer was fired week 15.

[Bob Chandler's Hands]

Just now, ArtVandalay said:

You are like the third person that had incorrectly stated this. 

 

Darrell Bevell was coaching the Jags for their 3rd win in week 18,  Meyer was fired week 15.

Good point! 

Maybe Darren Bevell should be up for head coach somewhere given that victory over the Colts. 

[Warcodered]

 

[Niagara Bill]

Strangley, he is the worst professional of a coach of my life.

[ganesh]

On 1/26/2022 at 11:08 PM, appoo said:

Wait, so he didn't go over his game planning, and week specific plays, during meetings? My understanding is that in the NFL most of the meat of what happens on Sunday, happens OFF the field. That's why in the NFL you can do so much virtually. You're not spending in season working on fundamentals - you're expected to do get those down in OTAs, summer camp and players own time. You're trying to get players to understand their jobs for the week. 

 

If someone can't do that, they shouldn't be working with pros. 

The problem with college coaches is that they micro-manage;  However, in the NFL they have to delegate and let others do their work.  If you don't then you will get beat.

[Patrick Duffy]

LOL at "worst experience in my professional life". So horrible getting paid 10-12mil during that worst experience. 

 

 

A single tear falls down my cheek

[Mango]

1 hour ago, Warcodered said:

 

Being a college coach and not knowing who  99 on the Rams is is embarrassing.

Hell, my old man neighbor stopped watching the NFL nearly a decade ago knows who Aaron Donald is.

[Beerball]

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"Worst experience in my professional life“

Ya think maybe that's because you showed an inability to act like a professional?

[The Dean]

On 1/26/2022 at 2:47 PM, Albany,n.y. said:

They lost the game because the O-line was a mess.  What was McDermott supposed to do, play OG himself ?

If your mind is blown when a team loses a game with an O-line in shambles, maybe you need to understand the game better. 

 

You hit the nail on the head. But he isn't worth the trouble. Horrendous/clueless poster.

[Alphadawg7]

On 1/26/2022 at 9:07 AM, FilthyBeast said:

It's still mind blowing the Bills lost to this guy, and in hindsight it's essentially the game that cost them home field over the Chiefs in the playoffs.

 

This is the type of stuff the Pegulas truly need to consider if McDermott doesn't deliver next year.

 

Bengals lost to the Jets and made the SB.  Get over it.  It happens to even the best of them.  

[Mark Vader]

On 1/27/2022 at 9:45 AM, ArtVandalay said:

It's not crap or nonsense, and delivering well deserved direct criticism isn't an excuse of disappointment, it's well deserved. He shouldn't be held on a pedestal above criticism because the team had a drought prior to him, or just because he's the coach of your favorite team -- that's crap. 

 

There is a massive difference between building a team culture and making game day decisions with a high end team, two completely different situations requiring different skill sets. 

 

McDermott's challenge history is the worst in the NFL, not joking, his career success rate was dead last in the league in 2020 and has not improved. He's successfully won 6 challenges in 5 seasons out of 23 attempts... now this isn't meant to be an end ask be all but rather a quantified illustration of how poor his game day decisions are. 

 

0-6 in one possession games, winless due to his poor decisions.  And I'm not saying we should have won every game, good teams are going to have close losses but not winning a single game? His blunders and awful calls are the reason it's 0-6 instead of 1-5 or 3-3.

 

We didn't squib, yes bad call, but whatever forget about that.  The egregious incompetence is the defense that was called after two time outs, playing his 2 best defenders so deep they were not involved in the play and rushing 4 when Mahomes couldn't hold the ball, and giving every receiver a clean release with a 15 yard cushion, was just grossly negligent. It took special stupidity to squander that game. And this isn't even Monday morning quarterbacking, this was so egregious every fan, the commentators, everyone was calling it out stunned and scratching their heads as it happened. You could have pulled a fan out of the seats to coach the final 13 seconds and we win.

 

He's got 21 years NFL coaching experience, 5 as head coach, 47 years old, and he's getting worse on game day not better, he's not going to ever "get it". He's never won a thing in his life at any point in his coaching career,  0 super bowls, and it will continue to be that way.  There's zero reason to hold him up as a great coach,  stop being overly committed because he broke a drought.

 

A great coach will make decisions that will win you more games than you should.  An average/good won't cost you games you should win.  A below average/bad coach will cost you games you should win.  And McDermott has placed himself firmly in the last category. 

 

It's one thing to coach a team to grinding out defensive struggles running the ball like when he first broke the drought. It's another thing to coach a team with a high powered offense going toe to toe with the league's best.  It's like driving a tractor trailer vs driving a Ferrari. He's so far over his head with this team. Thank you for your contributions Sean, but this team is well above your caliber as a coach and you are costing us success,  buh bye.

So, who is this great coach that is going to come in and win the Super Bowl for the Bills?

[Don Otreply]

On 1/26/2022 at 12:32 PM, WhoTom said:

Was he not aware of those differences before applying for and accepting the job?

 

Several of us on this site said that Urban was gonna sh _ _ the bed when he was hired, it should come as no surprise to anyone that he did, he was way in over his head in the big leagues, college ball is a quaint little cousin of the NFL, they may use some of the same concepts, but that’s as far as it goes, 

[YoloinOhio]

On 1/27/2022 at 12:57 PM, ndirish1978 said:

I figured he was referring to the lack of security down there at the chophouse.  Security has to employ better cell phone shielding discipline, that's on the coches for poor preparation.

The chophouse got sold. Apparently the giant mural of him in jags stuff (who thought that through?) wasn’t a big attraction anymore! It is now 614 steakhouse or something. He still has the pint house which is doing very well though.

[MJS]

On 1/26/2022 at 12:09 PM, Shaw66 said:

This is a load of crap.  

 

Egregious incompetence?   McDermott is recognized around the league as an excellent coach.   The fact that someone missed a detail, telling Bass to squib kick, is so far from "egregious incompetence," it's absurd.   It was just a mistake. 

 

A "huge" difference between building culture and competitiveness and being a championship coach?   Nonsense.  The difference isn't "huge," and it is in fact a culture of competitiveness that makes coaches and players become champions.  

 

And you point to Andy Reid as some kind of paragon.  Reid lost just as many playoff games in his first five seasons as McDermott has.  Belichick was under .500 in his first five seasons and went to the playoffs only once.   

 

 

Grow up and find a better way to deal with your disappointment.  

 

Don't feed the troll. He's the worst and he knows he is the worst.

 

Bills fans don't need to defend Sean McDermott. His record and what he has built in Buffalo stands by itself. Anyone who doesn't see that is clearly deranged or just trying to sow discord.

[galept]

6 hours ago, MJS said:

Don't feed the troll. He's the worst and he knows he is the worst.

 

Bills fans don't need to defend Sean McDermott. His record and what he has built in Buffalo stands by itself. Anyone who doesn't see that is clearly deranged or just trying to sow discord.

 

I actually like it. If everyone agreed on everything, especially the hot button issues, I would think there's something wrong with this place.

 

With that said, if you think he's a troll the best course of action is to not respond whatsoever.

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

15 hours ago, Warcodered said:

Former Jaguars coach Urban Meyer was unfamiliar with star players around the NFL

 

 

 

[NewEra]

14 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

Several of us on this site said that Urban was gonna sh _ _ the bed when he was hired, it should come as no surprise to anyone that he did, he was way in over his head in the big leagues, college ball is a quaint little cousin of the NFL, they may use some of the same concepts, but that’s as far as it goes, 

👍🏻 

 

worst coach in league history….. who just so happened to play a big part in keeping us from our first Lombardi.  Crushing blow to the Meyer haters. And proof that we need to improve the OL

[TheFunPolice]

I don't follow college football much but it sounds to me like Urban recruited teams good enough to just win based on massive talent advantage and wasn't really a football coach. Plus the players revered/feared him and he could lord it over them pointing to his record/titles/etc. 

 

That approach couldn't work in the NFL, especially on a team that was at a serious talent disadvantage almost every week. 

[julian]

On 1/26/2022 at 12:07 PM, FilthyBeast said:

It's still mind blowing the Bills lost to this guy, and in hindsight it's essentially the game that cost them home field over the Chiefs in the playoffs.

 

This is the type of stuff the Pegulas truly need to consider if McDermott doesn't deliver next year.

Next year is too soon considering the recent extension, but I agree if McDermott doesn’t deliver a championship during his current contract, you must look elsewhere and hope Josh isn’t disillusioned by that point.

[Dopey]

15 hours ago, MJS said:

Don't feed the troll. He's the worst and he knows he is the worst.

 

Bills fans don't need to defend Sean McDermott. His record and what he has built in Buffalo stands by itself. Anyone who doesn't see that is clearly deranged or just trying to sow discord.

Don't forget, ArtVandalay was the loudmouth of the Seinfeld crew. Come to think of it, so was Frank Costanza.

[MJS]

18 minutes ago, Dopey said:

Don't forget, ArtVandalay was the loudmouth of the Seinfeld crew. Come to think of it, so was Frank Costanza.

And frequently wrong, at that.

[GunnerBill]

15 hours ago, MJS said:

Don't feed the troll. He's the worst and he knows he is the worst.

 

Bills fans don't need to defend Sean McDermott. His record and what he has built in Buffalo stands by itself. Anyone who doesn't see that is clearly deranged or just trying to sow discord.

 

I notice he quotes the 1 score game record from 2021 which was, by anyone's assessment, dreadful. Fails to mention McDermott was well about .500 in one score games prior to last season. 

 

I get it. The screw up at the end in KC was on coaching. For some people that is hard to overcome. But looked at in the round the good outweighs the bad and it is not even close. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

34 minutes ago, Dopey said:

Don't forget, ArtVandalay was the loudmouth of the Seinfeld crew. Come to think of it, so was Frank Costanza.

[The Frankish Reich]

5 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

I don't follow college football much but it sounds to me like Urban recruited teams good enough to just win based on massive talent advantage and wasn't really a football coach. Plus the players revered/feared him and he could lord it over them pointing to his record/titles/etc. 

 

That approach couldn't work in the NFL, especially on a team that was at a serious talent disadvantage almost every week. 

Meyer was a "pure" college coach with no NFL assistant experience whatsoever. I'll admit it - he kind of fooled me, beginning with making Utah relevant. But in retrospect, yeah, he's a recruiting force only. I can't help but assume that he mastered the dark arts of promising and delivering for recruits the kinds of things coaches aren't supposed to promise and deliver.  We'll continue seeing a lot of guys like Nathaniel Hackett and Doug Marrone get jobs (the guys who build mixed college/NFL assistant resumes) but I kind of think Meyer is the last time we see one of these full college guys get a head coaching job. 

[Jerry Jabber]

On 1/26/2022 at 12:07 PM, FilthyBeast said:

It's still mind blowing the Bills lost to this guy, and in hindsight it's essentially the game that cost them home field over the Chiefs in the playoffs.

 

This is the type of stuff the Pegulas truly need to consider if McDermott doesn't deliver next year.

Yep, time to get rid of the guy that ended the 17 year playoff drought and brought respectability back to Buffalo 🤦😠😡🤬🤯

[Dablitzkrieg]

Who is this 99 guy?  He's gonna be a problem

[Sierra Foothills]

1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Meyer was a "pure" college coach with no NFL assistant experience whatsoever. I'll admit it - he kind of fooled me, beginning with making Utah relevant. But in retrospect, yeah, he's a recruiting force only. I can't help but assume that he mastered the dark arts of promising and delivering for recruits the kinds of things coaches aren't supposed to promise and deliver.  We'll continue seeing a lot of guys like Nathaniel Hackett and Doug Marrone get jobs (the guys who build mixed college/NFL assistant resumes) but I kind of think Meyer is the last time we see one of these full college guys get a head coaching job. 

 

There were at least a couple of precedents for college-only head coaches with zero pro experience who became NFL Head Coaches.

 

Bud Wilkinson and Lou Holtz.

 

In college their combined record was 394-161-11.

 

In the NFL their combined record was  12-30.

 

If Shahid Khan was a true NFL fan he would have been more wary of hiring someone of Meyer's profile.

 

BTW, Wilkinson and Holtz also combined for 4 NCAA National Championships.

[stuvian]

On 1/26/2022 at 12:41 PM, ArtVandalay said:

Sean McDermott was one of only two coaches in the league to lose to this disaster.  Let that sink in. 

 

Steve Ross likes those odds

[Southern_Bills]

On 1/26/2022 at 11:04 AM, thenorthremembers said:

I'd say if you have a lack of time on task for preparation, you probably shouldn't spend some of that time at maxing and relaxing inside your bar....

He was relaxing, he appeared to be getting stiff..

[Ayjent]

Meyer is an egomaniac that commands respect to young kids looking to make the NFL but doesn’t have the skills to be successful in the NFL.  I even think he was successful in influencing the pro game with his offenses before ever coaching in the NFL, and he is a great college coach.  He’s not a good person by several accounts but there are plenty of programs that would hire him in a hot second.  I don’t like him but I respect his success in college.  Since leaving Florida the program has been meandering and I hate how he left feigning health issues because the rumor is he had really rubbed some big time boosters the wrong way by some affair scandal (also apparently he and his wife have open marriage/swingers).  I don’t really care about what people do or how they live but I do respect integrity and sincerity and I think he lacks both.