Behindenemylines Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 10 minutes ago, DJB said: Looks like he will need it amputated. We only amputate when it’s a spleen injury😄 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 9 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Like I posted before the season started you do that by not wasting roster spots on special teams only players. Any backup CBcan do what Taiwan Jones can do. Kumerow has done nothing all year. Those are two spots that could have been used for a DB. A DB to do what though? Nothing all year just like Jones and Kumerow? This entire debate about DB depth makes no sense. Hindsight is always great when we now know which position may have suffered the season ending injury. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 If it does turn out to be an ACL, what's the recovery usually like for CBs? Would the start of next season be in question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Not having White doesn't change the basic objective of the defense, which is to encourage the offense to take small gains and hope they can't execute. And they can still run man........Jackson can cover.........but from what we've seen there will be chances for teams to create some bigger plays in the pass game. They most likely won't be as efficient with regard to not giving up chunk plays in the pass game but that doesn't necessarily mean they will be scorched now. And perhaps not having White back there lights a fire under this pass rush. Sometimes losing a star player can help a unit find another level of effort and focus. That really has been the biggest issue with the team this year........being focused on the task at hand. And also..........the real weakness of the defense has been their want-to and technique in run defense. With White out.........maybe teams will be more inclined to try to throw the ball a bit more. I still prefer the Bills chances defending the pass.......so more throws is better, IMO. But ultimately it's on the offense to stop being so erratic. Allen is a huge game-changing weapon who can keep 2-3 otherwise stalled drives alive with his athleticism every game..........so if they are executing they should be nearly unstoppable. That's clearly been the most discouraging part of the season to this point.......they get stopped by their own often-inexplicable mistakes far more than they get well-defensed. They need to be focused and start being better than the sum of their parts. That's what championship teams do down the stretch. Which is why I don't understand with the pass blocking issues they have had why Daboll hasn't started moving the pocket more with Allen. This would help with a couple things: 1) It would get Allen away from the immediate middle pressure that seems to be happening so much since Ford gets smoked more often than not 2) It would cause the DL to have to chase Allen all over the field which would wear on them as the game wore on and tire them out, limiting their effectiveness as time went on from being tired. 3) This might also open up holes in the run game since a tired DLine would be less effective getting off blocks and tackling, leading to more arm tackles and poor technique. 4) It would allow Allen and his WR's more creativity in getting open downfield, and allow for misdirection throwbacks that could result in HUGE plays since the flow would be taking all the defenders towards the play side Edited November 26, 2021 by Big Turk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: I am very interested to see how NE attacks our defense now. Do they line up heavy and run the ball? Do they go light with a bunch of WRs and line up 3,4&5 wide to stress our secondary? I’d think the former is more likely, but IDK. Their game plan will not change. They are a physical football team that wants to run the ball and hit the RB's and TE's in the passing game. I would expect them to throw in the occasional trick play with Bourne or one of their WR's throwing a pass deep down field. They seem to do that in at least one of the games we play them in every year. If they do change their game plan to use more WR's and run the ball less I got to believe that benefits the Bills defense even with White out. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 4 minutes ago, Process said: If it does turn out to be an ACL, what's the recovery usually like for CBs? Would the start of next season be in question? I think he would be ready for September. But not ready for camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Not having White doesn't change the basic objective of the defense, which is to encourage the offense to take small gains and hope they can't execute. And they can still run man........Jackson can cover.........but from what we've seen there will be chances for teams to create some bigger plays in the pass game. They most likely won't be as efficient with regard to not giving up chunk plays in the pass game but that doesn't necessarily mean they will be scorched now. And perhaps not having White back there lights a fire under this pass rush. Sometimes losing a star player can help a unit find another level of effort and focus. That really has been the biggest issue with the team this year........being focused on the task at hand. And also..........the real weakness of the defense has been their want-to and technique in run defense. With White out.........maybe teams will be more inclined to try to throw the ball a bit more. I still prefer the Bills chances defending the pass.......so more throws is better, IMO. But ultimately it's on the offense to stop being so erratic. Allen is a huge game-changing weapon who can keep 2-3 otherwise stalled drives alive with his athleticism every game..........so if they are executing they should be nearly unstoppable. That's clearly been the most discouraging part of the season to this point.......they get stopped by their own often-inexplicable mistakes far more than they get well-defensed. They need to be focused and start being better than the sum of their parts. That's what championship teams do down the stretch. It doesn't but it takes the ability to basically allow him to erase a player from a play more often than not and let the defense "cheat" towards other areas of the field or towards other players. Edited November 26, 2021 by Big Turk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 15 minutes ago, Behindenemylines said: We only amputate when it’s a spleen injury😄 The spleen-dectomy is the best course of action in most all injuries to Bills. That which cures all ills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I think he would be ready for September. But not ready for camp. This may force their hand in the draft. A CB on day 1 or 2 is all but guaranteed if he has indeed torn his ACL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 13 minutes ago, Process said: If it does turn out to be an ACL, what's the recovery usually like for CBs? Would the start of next season be in question? The worry would be that it takes him basically a whole year once he recovers and starts playing again to get back to his old self 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 (edited) Scheming to get to the QB faster certainly can help cover for his loss. Our defensive ends need to step the hell up and force QB's into errors which lead to turnovers. Getting Brown back on the o-line and stabilizing that unit could lead to more offensive production which can help as well. Losing Tre sucks the big one but I expect others, on both sides of the ball, to puck up the slack. Edited November 26, 2021 by Beast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 No news good news maybe though. Usually it leaks if they confirm a major injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Returntoglory Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 I remember very well when I blew out my ACL while in the USAF stationed in Germany. We had soccer practice indoors due to some torrential rain we were experiencing that day, so we were using the base gym. I jumped over a makeshift goal net to avoid a collision and when I came down I heard a discernible "POP" and immediately collapsed onto both knees. The pain was the worst I had ever experienced up to that point of my life. I had tears coming out of my eyes. I could not control them. 5 minutes later I was up and about shooting hoops, no pain at all. As if it never happened. Of course I was then mis-diagnosed at my base clinic.. and then a few months later had major knee surgery with my ACL and medial and lateral meniscus but I digress.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 33 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Not having White doesn't change the basic objective of the defense, which is to encourage the offense to take small gains and hope they can't execute. And they can still run man........Jackson can cover.........but from what we've seen there will be chances for teams to create some bigger plays in the pass game. They most likely won't be as efficient with regard to not giving up chunk plays in the pass game but that doesn't necessarily mean they will be scorched now. And perhaps not having White back there lights a fire under this pass rush. Sometimes losing a star player can help a unit find another level of effort and focus. That really has been the biggest issue with the team this year........being focused on the task at hand. And also..........the real weakness of the defense has been their want-to and technique in run defense. With White out.........maybe teams will be more inclined to try to throw the ball a bit more. I still prefer the Bills chances defending the pass.......so more throws is better, IMO. But ultimately it's on the offense to stop being so erratic. Allen is a huge game-changing weapon who can keep 2-3 otherwise stalled drives alive with his athleticism every game..........so if they are executing they should be nearly unstoppable. That's clearly been the most discouraging part of the season to this point.......they get stopped by their own often-inexplicable mistakes far more than they get well-defensed. They need to be focused and start being better than the sum of their parts. That's what championship teams do down the stretch. The offensive is a decent offensive line away of being pretty dang dangerous. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 59 minutes ago, billsintaiwan said: I do a lot of my own research and I'm pretty sure Tre White caught HIV from the AstroTurf. All medical research roads on the internet lead to HIV. You sure it wasn’t COVID-19? I hear that’s been going around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 29 minutes ago, Process said: If it does turn out to be an ACL, what's the recovery usually like for CBs? Would the start of next season be in question? 24 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I think he would be ready for September. But not ready for camp. Look at Harry, he was back the September after, but not very effective all year and he tore his in October. Usually they say it's a full year to get back to where you were prior. If it's MCL, then may be faster?? I think this may mean we draft a CB in round 1. White may be a strong #2 CB next season, but would be nervous with his as the #1. By 2023, should be OK IMO. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 37 minutes ago, Process said: If it does turn out to be an ACL, what's the recovery usually like for CBs? Would the start of next season be in question? He could probably play around the middle of next season but won’t really be right until the following year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: Exactly. Some folks just want more warm bodies on the sideline I guess. I don't get how that helps the Bills. Bills only play three CB's a game for the most part and all three are above average for their positions #1, #2 and nickle corner. Can't ask for much better than that while still needing to field a 53 man roster. Injuries happen in the NFL and now it is time for us to deal with one. Re: CB depth. Other than the Broncos, who were resolutely focused on acquiring CB depth in the offseason (as if CB depth was their primary problem), I agree that no team is in particularly good shape there. You lose one of the best CBs in the game, the dropoff is going to be huge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 13 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Look at Harry, he was back the September after, but not very effective all year and he tore his in October. Usually they say it's a full year to get back to where you were prior. If it's MCL, then may be faster?? I think this may mean we draft a CB in round 1. White may be a strong #2 CB next season, but would be nervous with his as the #1. By 2023, should be OK IMO. I am not convinced Harry's struggles were anything to do with his injury. He just isn't very good. He has the odd good game but he has more bad than good. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukestreetking Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 8 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: White may be a strong #2 CB next season, but would be nervous with his as the #1. By 2023, should be OK IMO. This is a good point. In my experience (x3), it is a 1.5-2yr full recovery. Obviously I'm not a pro athlete but I'm very active. After 3 mo, you can run (linear) movement w/o many issues; hell, I tore for 3rd time in Iraq and still stayed for couple months. Everything else is building back quickness and movement, both mentally and physically. I believe @Hapless Bills Fanhad one or more and would be interested in his take. *for emphasis: we still don't know what this injury is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 17 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Look at Harry, he was back the September after, but not very effective all year and he tore his in October. Usually they say it's a full year to get back to where you were prior. If it's MCL, then may be faster?? I think this may mean we draft a CB in round 1. White may be a strong #2 CB next season, but would be nervous with his as the #1. By 2023, should be OK IMO. Harry also stinks at football. You can't compare the two. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Dukestreetking said: This is a good point. In my experience (x3), it is a 1.5-2yr full recovery. Obviously I'm not a pro athlete but I'm very active. After 3 mo, you can run (linear) movement w/o many issues; hell, I tore for 3rd time in Iraq and still stayed for couple months. Everything else is building back quickness and movement, both mentally and physically. I believe @Hapless Bills Fanhad one or more and would be interested in his take. *for emphasis: we still don't know what this injury is. Negative, must be someone else you’re confusing me with I’m trying to pump the brakes and wait to find out what the injury is before worrying about the timeline 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukestreetking Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Negative, must be someone else you’re confusing me with I’m trying to pump the brakes and wait to find out what the injury is before worrying about the timeline Copy...I remember this lengthy debate re Beaz last year and mixed up some names. And definitely pump brakes... this why I emphasized that we don't know yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Negative, must be someone else you’re confusing me with I’m trying to pump the brakes and wait to find out what the injury is before worrying about the timeline Yup, I’m not worrying about it till we have more info. No point really, just hoping for the best of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 Secondary depth around the league is terrible Anthony Brown is a starter in Dallas cause their second round pick looks like a bust..heck the Bucs are in such bad shape a few weeks ago when they signed Richard Sherman on a Wednesday he was starting on Sunday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 They could get an all reconstructed and rehabbed in 6 months. The problem is building back the necessary strength in the supporting muscles, mainly the quadriceps. There is also a mental thing to overcome. They harvested my patellar tendon for it too (the most secure/strongest option), and it took a year for the feeling of stiffness to go away there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 (edited) Who do we think starts in place of Tre? Edit: probably move Taron outside and play Siran Neal in the slot. Whoever it is I suspect we're going to have to get used to a steady diet of cover 2 moving forward. Or maybe we'll just start blitzing every down. Edited November 26, 2021 by VW82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behindenemylines Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 55 minutes ago, CSBill said: You sure it wasn’t COVID-19? I hear that’s been going around. I’d trust the science: definitely HIVTURF. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 57 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Look at Harry, he was back the September after, but not very effective all year and he tore his in October. Usually they say it's a full year to get back to where you were prior. If it's MCL, then may be faster?? I think this may mean we draft a CB in round 1. White may be a strong #2 CB next season, but would be nervous with his as the #1. By 2023, should be OK IMO. Totally disagree. One injury on defense doesn’t change the fact that interior offensive line still isn’t the biggest need. Heck, with Breida on a one year deal, I would argue that offensive playmaker might be a bigger need as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 Ej Gaines could be an option if he’s in shape. He’s usually good for like 10 games until he’s injured 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 Kinda thought we might have an update by now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bangarang Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Look at Harry, he was back the September after, but not very effective all year and he tore his in October. Usually they say it's a full year to get back to where you were prior. If it's MCL, then may be faster?? I think this may mean we draft a CB in round 1. White may be a strong #2 CB next season, but would be nervous with his as the #1. By 2023, should be OK IMO. Harrison Phillips just isn’t a good player. 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loedward22 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Kinda thought we might have an update by now The pessimist in me says this is because it's bad news and probably there's a second opinion being gathered.. Edited November 26, 2021 by loedward22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Process said: Harry also stinks at football. You can't compare the two. Clearly not...plenty of competition for NFL rosters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, loedward22 said: The pessimist in me says this is because it's bad news and probably there's a second opinion being gathered.. Seems like if it’s a torn acl it’s usually identified more quickly than this…but that could be wishful thinking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, loedward22 said: The pessimist in me says this is because it's bad news and probably there's a second opinion being gathered.. I’m not a doctor, but in this situation I wonder if second opinion would be good news. It’s either torn, or it’s not. Second opinion might be relevant if there is a partial tear, or if it is sprained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 My guess is you’ll see Dane Jackson start with some Sirwn Neal out there as well 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 If it’s a torn ACL, typically they know from testing by the team docs right away. Then, the MRI confirms it. I’m assuming we’ll hear something today. I can’t remember too many, if any, of these injuries to star players that went beyond the next day with no news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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