Tre White knee injury UPDATE: Out for the Season Notification top of page 1

[Doc Brown]

Brutal loss if out for the year.  I don't see a Super Bowl appearance without him.  

[Jeffbigalls]

Lol the community is back after a win against a garbage saints team

[Wyobills89]

The rubber or whatever was flying all game, could see it all over the TV. Sucks a cleat can get caught in it just right and it's devastating. Hope tre will be alright, but it's not looking good. 

[Alphadawg7]

So since we won, everyone’s turned into a doctor in order to scratch their negative outlook itch instead?

 

1.  Stop diagnosing him, none of you are qualified.  It could be a number of things, including something that has him out for the year.  But let’s wait until we know before we make doom and gloom predictions.

 

2.  A lot of you under estimate Levi Wallace still.  He’s been very good this year, our cupboard is not totally bare where you can proclaim season over without Tre.  Dane has shown promise at times too.  We have an excellent safety duo still too and LBs who can cover.  It will suck if we lost Tre for the year, but doesn’t mean we cant still make a SB run.

[buffblue]

If you think a 7th round pick from Pitt plus Levi Wallace is capable of holding the fort down enough to win a championship, I admire your optimism. Our CB depth blew before the Tre injury!

[Alphadawg7]

1 minute ago, Buffalo619 said:

Doesn’t look serious, Thank the lord!!

Huh?  Did you see something somewhere suggesting that?

[saundena]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

Doesn’t look serious, Thank the lord!!

What do you know that the rest of us don't?!?!

 

[KingBoots8]

16 minutes ago, Jeffbigalls said:

Lol the community is back after a win against a garbage saints team

If they had won they’d have a winning record, and we’d be saying how gosh darn awful it is we can’t beat a team with a winning record.

 

Get out of here with that. We won. We are gearing up for a huge game against a division rival. We are fighting for first. If they didn’t live up to your regular season record that’s on you. All that matters is we make it and we keep winning. Everyone played well today. If you can’t enjoy that for a few days I feel sorry for you

Edited November 26, 2021 by KingBoots8

[Alphadawg7]

Just now, buffblue said:

If you think a 7th round pick from Pitt plus Levi Wallace is capable of holding the fort down enough to win a championship, I admire your optimism. Our CB depth blew before the Tre injury!

No it didn’t.  They chose to carry fewer CBs because the guys they kept are all capable.  
 

And stop with his “7th round” nonsense. Where a player was selected literally has ZERO relevance on whether they can play.  Ask Tom Brady about that.  Or Kurt Warner.  Or Jason Peters.  Or Wyatt Teller.  
 

Anytime a fan brings up a players draft slot it just tells me they don’t understand how meaningless draft position is once the draft is over.

[Blank Stare]

29 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

I’m confused by your assumption that the Bills went light at the corner spot. The Bills secondary in total has a lot of depth IMO. Wallace has been a rock solid #2 and Johnson is one of the best nickel corners in the game. The safety duo of Poyer and Hyde might be the best in the league. How many teams have depth at the corner position? 

Start of the year (before they brought up Cam Lewis) they carried Tre, Levi, Taron, and Dane. Siran would play in a pinch (like he did in the jags game when Taron went down. 4 true corners, only 3 of which are boundary corners is a bit thin at the position. You’d like to carry at least one more if you can, but they went heavier at WR and DL this year.
 

Of course no one can anticipate injury, but this Tre injury puts us in a spot from a talent and numbers perspective. Likely a PS elevation coming. Wonder if Wildgoose will be bummed he jumped to the jets when he did. 

Edited November 26, 2021 by TheProcess

[78thealltimegreat]

20 minutes ago, Jeffbigalls said:

Lol the community is back after a win against a garbage saints team

With a comment like that why are you on here then? I’m going to slowly clap for your sarcasm 👏 

[Bangarang]

Absolutely brutal loss.

People were looking at CB in the 2nd round but instead we took Boogie so he can be a healthy scratch most of the year.

[Special K]

23 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

A few People keep calling it non-contact .. but by football definition I really wouldn't call it a non-contact injury

 

he was not running on air and collapsed.. he was playing physical man coverage down the field and had his hand on him 

 

"A noncontact injury was defined as an ACL injury sustained by an athlete without extrinsic contact by another player or object on the field.” It is clear that any player contact, regardless of the body region, was classified as contact."

 

 

Did anyone make contact with his knee???  No.  Therefore it’s a non contact knee injury.

 

C’mon, man... no need to be picky..it’s pretty clear what everyone means by non contact....sheesh.

[John from Riverside]

Everyone’s gonna be holding their breath on this one until we know for sure

[Doc Brown]

14 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

No it didn’t.  They chose to carry fewer CBs because the guys they kept are all capable.  
 

And stop with his “7th round” nonsense. Where a player was selected literally has ZERO relevance on whether they can play.  Ask Tom Brady about that.  Or Kurt Warner.  Or Jason Peters.  Or Wyatt Teller.  
 

Anytime a fan brings up a players draft slot it just tells me they don’t understand how meaningless draft position is once the draft is over.

They're capable but the talent gap between White and Wallace/Jackson is significant.  There's no sugar coating it.  It's a huge loss.  Our defense will take a step back so we need Josh and the offense to take it to another level.

[Joe Ferguson]

Just now, Buffalo619 said:

Just from watching it. He walked off. I’m no doctor but didn’t look too bad. 

I agreed. It may not even be a sprain. Could be just a bruise. He'll play again in a week or two. 

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

Just from watching it. He walked off. I’m no doctor but didn’t look too bad. 

I walked off both my ACLs

 

in fact the second one I kept playing for 10mins until the swelling got too bad

[Process]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

Just from watching it. He walked off. I’m no doctor but didn’t look too bad. 

That is not uncommon at all with ACL injuries

[Big Blitz]

One silver lining here is outside of Tampa, the best WR we face down the stretch catches balls from Cam Newton (DJ Moore).   

 

New England 2x

Carolina

Atlanta (lol)

Jets

Tampa

 

 

We can survive an extended absence in the regular season no question in my mind.  We can go 5-1 or 4-2 at worst and win the division.   

 

The playoffs well we all know that's going to be a problem.  Let's get there first.  

 

Prayers up for Tre.   

[SectionC3]

4 minutes ago, Process said:

That is not uncommon at all with ACL injuries

I’m hopeful that we might get lucky here because I’d be surprised if they let him walk off the field if he failed the Lachlan test.  MRI on Friday, no doubt. 

[Rico]

Hoping for the best, but I don’t see this as a season-breaker if Tre’s gone. McD and Frazier just have to adjust accordingly.

[Joe Ferguson]

Tre being out could be a blessing in disguise. Bills D may get more interceptions because QBs will be throwing the ball more where Tre used to defend.

[TC in St. Louis]

I have a bad feeling about this.  But they will adjust, one way or another.  Thankful we have 10 days till the next game, whoever that is.

[SinceThe70s]

1 hour ago, Jeffbigalls said:

Lol the community is back after a win against a garbage saints team

 

How would you characterize yourself after posting the above? 

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, Buffalo619 said:

Doesn’t look serious, Thank the lord!!

 

What? It looks EXACTLY what a non contact ACL tear looks like.

[Alphadawg7]

53 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

They're capable but the talent gap between White and Wallace/Jackson is significant.  There's no sugar coating it.  It's a huge loss.  Our defense will take a step back so we need Josh and the offense to take it to another level.

I don’t disagree, losing Tre would be a big loss.  But the season isn’t over if so.  Most the people in this thread have literally said the season is done if we lose Tre.  It most certainly is not.  
 

Not to mention, we don’t even know if Tre is lost for the season yet.

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

Everyone’s gonna be holding their breath on this one until we know for sure

 

I'm not. It's pretty obvious what it is, and Tre knew by his reaction of slamming his helmet down and looking distraught and like he had tears in his eyes.

 

Going to be rough to replace that.

[LABILLBACKER]

33 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson said:

Tre being out could be a blessing in disguise. Bills D may get more interceptions because QBs will be throwing the ball more where Tre used to defend.

You might want to walk back this statement. 

[Joe Ferguson]

46 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

You might want to walk back this statement. 

Nope. I'm actually going to double down. This Bills defense will actually get better if or when Tre is out the rest of the year. Tre wasn't exaclty playing lights out against the Titans & Colts when  they scored a lot of points on us.

Edited November 26, 2021 by Joe Ferguson

[NickelCity]

12 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson said:

Nope. I'm actually going to double down. This Bills defense will actually get better if or when Tre is out the rest of the year. Tre wasn't exaclty playing lights out against the Texans & Colts when  they scored a lot of points on us.

 

You're a bold man, Ferguson.

[Doc Brown]

45 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson said:

Tre being out could be a blessing in disguise. Bills D may get more interceptions because QBs will be throwing the ball more where Tre used to defend.

QB's throwing to their #1 WR's more.  How in god's name is that a blessing in disguise?

 

Just now, Joe Ferguson said:

Nope. I'm actually going to double down. This Bills defense will actually get better if or when Tre is out the rest of the year. Tre wasn't exaclty playing lights out against the Texans & Colts when  they scored a lot of points on us.

We shut out the Texans and Carson Wentz threw for 106 yards.

[billsfan89]

1 hour ago, Buffalo619 said:

Just from watching it. He walked off. I’m no doctor but didn’t look too bad. 

 

You can walk off a lot of really bad injuries, doesn't mean it is a bad injury just means that simply walking it off isn't an indicator of much either way.

[Simon]

1 hour ago, Process said:

That is not uncommon at all with ACL injuries

Yup.

If he's done, we're done.

[DrPJax]

4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Lachman test is holding lower leg below knee stable while pulling up( front wards toward the examiner ) on the upper leg above the knee. The ACL’s job is to keep the femur ( thigh ) from sliding forward relative to the knee ( Lower leg) Having done the test hundreds of times , you can tell how loose , or how much give there is as the femur slides forward.  It normally has very little if any “ give” .   It helps to also compare to the other knee.  I agree with the dr tho, you usually only do it acutely like that on the field to test for ACL laxity BEFORE SWELLING AND MUSCLE SPASMS  set in the longer time goes after the initial injury.  The fact the trainer or dr is checking it means they are concerned he tore the acl.  Spraining it is best scenario , but it looked like he felt a sudden, severe pain , unlike anything he felt before ( sprains are bad but tearing the acl is usually more severe , and he looked like he felt it pop ).   If the acl tears, there is usually more swelling acutely as it bleeds and the joint capsule fills with blood.  That’s why you usually wait a couple of days before doing an mri because the fluid / blood/ swelling makes it difficult to read. If they are able to get an mri tomorrow, while not absolute fact, it might be a good sign because of less swelling , but every person does not swell or bleed to the same extent. 
 

ThAt dr has been very accurate any time I have read his analysis,  so sadly, a torn acl seems likely , which will even carry over to next year given the time it takes to heal and then get back to feeling confident using the leg normally  Especially tough for a corner who has to put extreme sudden forces of deceleration that stresses the acl. Cutting, change of direction, suddenly stopping, jumping , all put stress on the acl. Selfishly I hate not having him there against the pats.  It’s a critical position, and he is one of our top 5 players.  Corners are on an island so how do you mask that drop off in talent? You know Belicheck is going to target whomever replaces Tre whenever they can plus they use doubke TE’e , right, and Tre was good  at picking up a TE when needed.    Hope for the best , but beating them just got a little harder.  That QB ( funny , from Jacksonville where I am pretty sure he went to a top prep school, Bolles) has one good talent, accuracy!  Having a different CB , will give Jones a little more of a throwing window , so that’s not easy to write off how important tres status is.  Fingers crossed, nice win tonight., but could be at a heavy cost. Should know by Monday , maybe earlier if swelling stays down. 

[billsbackto81]

1 hour ago, Joe Ferguson said:

Tre being out could be a blessing in disguise. Bills D may get more interceptions because QBs will be throwing the ball more where Tre used to defend.

Seriously? Losing your All Pro CB a blessing? Now your #1 CB is an undrafted FA that gets abused by the more physical WRs in the league. I like Wallace, but not as my #1. This is where the lack of acquiring a decent CB before the season really hurts. After watching Dane Jackson get roasted on a double move in Jax on what would've been an ez walk in TD if Lawrence didn't over throw it, I shudder to think what our passing D on the edges will look like. Fingers crossed Tre is ok. 

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, Joe Ferguson said:

Nope. I'm actually going to double down. This Bills defense will actually get better if or when Tre is out the rest of the year. Tre wasn't exaclty playing lights out against the Titans & Colts when  they scored a lot of points on us.

……………………….

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

I walked off both my ACLs

 

in fact the second one I kept playing for 10mins until the swelling got too bad

 

Yep when I was coaching soccer I saw one of my players do his right in front of the dugout in a semi final and I heard the really distinctive "pop" and he was livid that I substituted him he was insisting it was just a sprain he could run off. I told him I was 99% certain he had done his ACL and by the time the games finished it had ballooned and his scan on the Monday confirmed. 

3 hours ago, Rico said:

Hoping for the best, but I don’t see this as a season-breaker if Tre’s gone. McD and Frazier just have to adjust accordingly.

 

I am afraid I do. Two reasons - 1 our scheme has Tre's ability to take away half of the field built in; and 2 I don't think our outside corner depth is good. 

[nucci]

3 hours ago, Joe Ferguson said:

Tre being out could be a blessing in disguise. Bills D may get more interceptions because QBs will be throwing the ball more where Tre used to defend.

wrong

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I don’t disagree, losing Tre would be a big loss.  But the season isn’t over if so.  Most the people in this thread have literally said the season is done if we lose Tre.  It most certainly is not.  
 

Not to mention, we don’t even know if Tre is lost for the season yet.

 

I believe any hope of a Superbowl this year would be done. Can the Bill still make the playoffs? Sure 3-3 down the stretch might even do that, but losing Tre means we have to change what we are doing in the secondary. It means you can't shade safeties to Levi and bait teams to take the short completion on that side if the field so much, you will have to do more shell coverage and so less rotating of the safeties, I just think it forces our coverage schemes to be more vanilla and we saw last year that when the Bills are forced to be vanilla on the backend (last year it was largely cos we were bad on 1st and 2nd down and so were defending a lot of third and shorts) it makes the defense much simpler for Quarterbacks to dissect. Other than Josh there is no other player whose loss hurts us more IMO. 

[noacls]

4 hours ago, Buffalo619 said:

Just from watching it. He walked off. I’m no doctor but didn’t look too bad. 

Tore both of my acl, walked off field both times. Does not mean anything