Would the Bills have beaten the Bucs?

[OrtonHearsaWho]

1 hour ago, Success said:

Honestly, there was talk on another thread about how because of Allen, we need to keep investing in better & better weapons - that our receivers weren't quite as good as the Chiefs, and that needed to be the focus.

 

Trenches, trenches, trenches. I don't care if they don't make another move at receiver for the next 2 years.

 

 

100% right, and not just to protect Allen but to improve the running game.  Tonight's game proved how important it is to build around your o-line and d-line (once you have a QB).

[par73]

No.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 hour ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

Don't think so. Considering what the Chiefs defense did to our O-line, I would have hate to seen what the Bucs would have done. 

The chiefs did that to our oline because they were holding our receivers on the back end

[Awwufelloff]

Not a chance.

[SydneyBillsFan]

On the face of it I agree that it is hard to see how the Bills beat the Bucs in this kind of form, but you can never rule anyone out in a two horse race, that would be foolish. And our best is much better than what the Chiefs served up today.

 

Just like the Bills a fortnight ago - the Chiefs saved their worst for last.

 

It also didn't hurt that the Bucs had both the luxury of home stadium advantage plus a referee crew who called the Chiefs for multiple holding penalties - neither of which we had.

 

With the final salary cap number still up in the air we simply cannot predict if we will even make playoffs next season, but I believe we will have another strong year.

[strive_for_five_guy]

Might be an unpopular opinion, and I recognize that Mahomes may have been deterred b/c of his foot, but I think Josh and our o-line would have fared better than the Chiefs offense did tonight.  Not saying we would have been able to stop the Bucs offense on the other side of the ball, but pretty sure we would have put up more points than the Chiefs were able to.  I’ve seen Josh handle pressure better than Mahomes was doing tonight.

[Albany,n.y.]

People are overlooking the obvious.  So before the conference fans I said there was no way I wanted Tampa to win the NFC  because they would have a huge advantage due to playing at home.  Everyone underestimated how big that advantage was.  It was even bigger when the league ruled that the Super Bowl teams wouldn't travel to Tampa until right before the game.  Tampa would have beaten any AFC team because they had an unfair advantage.

[QB Bills]

I also think that if we got to play this Chiefs team, who were dropping passes left and right and getting called for every infraction, we might have beat them. 

[Charles Romes]

Fisher going down skewed everything. 

[Buffalo Ballin]

We would have been cooked. Eric Fisher, of the Chiefs, being out for the Super Bowl does not matter. Because he's just one guy.

 

Tom Brady and the offense had their way against the Chiefs defense.

[Dr.Sack]

Chiefs D isn’t so good when they aren’t allowed to grab players throughout their route. 

[78thealltimegreat]

42 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Might be an unpopular opinion, and I recognize that Mahomes may have been deterred b/c of his foot, but I think Josh and our o-line would have fared better than the Chiefs offense did tonight.  Not saying we would have been able to stop the Bucs offense on the other side of the ball, but pretty sure we would have put up more points than the Chiefs were able to.  I’ve seen Josh handle pressure better than Mahomes was doing tonight.

We where 13-3 with one of the toughest schedules in the league matter a fact give the Bucs the Bills schedule and I don’t even know if they make their playoffs 

[BADOLBILZ]

 

The Bucs had easily the best non-QB roster in the league..........that's why Brady chose them.     They didn't play like it most of the year.    They appeared to be a bunch of parts that were far less than the sum of their whole.   I think this game was really the first one where they truly put it all together.    The Bills were better than the sum of their parts most of the year.   Less so in the playoffs where they were out-coached in 2 of their 3 games and didn't look sharp offensively in any of them.   So I don't think they would have played very well against Tampa.  Hopefully the Bills improve the roster AND the coaching staff grows/learns from this year.   

[HomeskillitMoorman]

No. We played a scared game vs the Chiefs D that's not as nasty as the Bucs D. We might've scored even less than 9 tbh. 

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

I think we would have more competitive though 

[Brand J]

Not on this particular night, especially with the way the Bills had been playing in the playoffs. If the “end of the regular season” Bills showed up, it would’ve been a fun game and I’d actually give the nod to Buffalo. But it would’ve taken that sort of balanced performance to win on this night and the Bills hadn’t looked that great in weeks. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

3 hours ago, DrPJax said:

With our current D and philosophy, no way we beat Tampa.  Brady has always had the Bills number and hE would have known this d scheme inside and out. Plus they are big on the o line , ran the ball really well , and would have killed us running the ball. We have no rush to get to Brady so the exact same thing would have happened to us as what did to KC.  We may have scored a little more only because we had our starting tackles. But even that is iffy as we were so one dimensional.  
TB woukd have been blitzing josh all night and we have no consistent backs or tight ends to use as outlets for josh.   We are not close to these teams yet and our only hope next year is to fix the o with a running gsme and get a productive tight end. The d fix will be a two year process.  Need edge rushers, better backers and second corner.  We will have a tough year if our O doesn’t continue to improve because Mcd tends to stick with this soft zone stuff, and you see how kc manhandled us on both LOS, but especially their O line as they scored on almost every possession.  

I think mcdermott has always done a pretty good job against brady defensively...we struggled scoring points against them.  Kc got a lot of coverage sacks against us because of their illegally tight coverage aka holding lol im not saying we wouldve won it just isn't really fair to assume that based mostly on our performance against kc.  Soft zone won Tampa the game tonight they just got home with a four man rush on almost every play 

[BillsFan619]

3 hours ago, QB Bills said:

Didn't see it posted, but I'm guessing a lot of fans are wondering. 

 

My thoughts even before the AFC championship game were that KC was a awful matchup for the Bills and that if they had gotten by them, they would have beaten Tampa. After watching what the Bucs did to the Chiefs on both sides of the line, and comparing what those same Chiefs did to Buffalo's O and D lines, I'm not so sure now.

 

What really sucked was these refs today calling all the clear holding penalties the Chiefs were also committing against us two weeks ago.

While you never know, since every game is it’s own entity, I don’t believe they would have.
 

During the game, with the way the bucs were playing, I mentioned to my kids that maybe it was good that we didn’t make it this year.

 

What’s weird is, before this game, I would’ve thought that the best matchup for the bills to give them a good chance of winning was against the bucs. I was definitely wrong.

 

Go Bills!

[Utah John]

The Chiefs O line which is usually quite good was terrible because it was reshuffled when Fisher got hurt against the Bills.  The Chiefs with their regular O line would have been a far more formidable opponent.  Mahomes isn't superman -- he needs reasonable protection to be effective.  All that blitzing that TB did would have left them exposed to Mahomes' passing and Kelce's quick moves to get open, if Mahomes had just had a little more time.

 

The question is, would the Bills, who had their entire team intact including a good O line, have been more effective against TB than the Chiefs, with their terrible O line, were today?  I have to figure, yes.

 

Also, the refs decided to penalize the Chiefs' DBs for doing to the Bucs exactly what they did to the Bills' receivers.  Holding, hitting them downfield, etc.  Diggs struggled to get open and that's just because the Chiefs were, essentially, cheating.  I think the Bills passing game, with their good O line, would have been very effective against TB's defense, which wasn't cheating.

 

Could the Bills D have stopped the Bucs offense?  Well, no, no one can the way they're playing.  But the Bills would have been facing mere mortals instead of Marvel characters like Tyreek Hill.  And so the Bills D would have kept us in the game.

 

There is NO WAY TB would blow out the Bills like they did the Chiefs.

[BillsFan1988]

It really depends on how much Mcd respects the Bucs. If he puts out the same type of game plan as he did vs the Chiefs we would of gotten blasted. 

[Cygnus99]

We would have gotten beaten , next season 2021 Yes we will most likely win the division and end up being 11-5 to 13-3 but I am 99 % sure the one of the L  will be at Tampa unless Brady has an off day or a meaningless game in the season's finale 

[BillsFan1988]

32 minutes ago, Utah John said:

The Chiefs O line which is usually quite good was terrible because it was reshuffled when Fisher got hurt against the Bills.  The Chiefs with their regular O line would have been a far more formidable opponent.  Mahomes isn't superman -- he needs reasonable protection to be effective.  All that blitzing that TB did would have left them exposed to Mahomes' passing and Kelce's quick moves to get open, if Mahomes had just had a little more time.

 

The question is, would the Bills, who had their entire team intact including a good O line, have been more effective against TB than the Chiefs, with their terrible O line, were today?  I have to figure, yes.

 

Also, the refs decided to penalize the Chiefs' DBs for doing to the Bucs exactly what they did to the Bills' receivers.  Holding, hitting them downfield, etc.  Diggs struggled to get open and that's just because the Chiefs were, essentially, cheating.  I think the Bills passing game, with their good O line, would have been very effective against TB's defense, which wasn't cheating.

 

Could the Bills D have stopped the Bucs offense?  Well, no, no one can the way they're playing.  But the Bills would have been facing mere mortals instead of Marvel characters like Tyreek Hill.  And so the Bills D would have kept us in the game.

 

There is NO WAY TB would blow out the Bills like they did the Chiefs.

The inconsistent officiating is the most fustrating thing about yesterday gm as opposed to when the Bills played the Chiefs. 

 

One can only wonder is this done by purpose or not. Tony Romo was talking about the Chiefs holding as if it was known thing if that's the case the refs should call as they see it . To me inconsistencies like this are done by purpose the NFL fully knows what teams want to do . They also want to steer the story lines in there favor. 

 

I believe if the Bills are too ever win a Superbowl were gonna have to be heads and shoulders better then our opponents in the playoffs . We need a difference making running back and we also need to blow up our edges on our Defense. I would cut Hughes, Jefferson, Star , Addison & Butler these guys collectively make over 35mil per season and there not worth it. 

 

Build around Phillips and Oliver at the tackle spots. Get us some speed rushers. We need a 3rd down specialist to rotate with Epenesa on the left side and we need speed to power guy at the RE . 

[JaCrispy]

Hard to say, but I will lean “no” because of how balanced the Bucs are...

[machine gun kelly]

It’s too difficult to tell as we don’t know what we are adding and losing, nor what they will win or lose in talent.

 

Here are some of the Unrestricted Free Agents for 2021 for the Bucs.

 

Barrett

David

Gronk

Suh

Fournette

AB

They have $38.144 mil. in space so it’s almost a lock they figure out some of these guys, but they are not per the people down here going after more talent as their cap can’t afford it.  Some have differing opinions on BA, but I like him.  My middle son besides the Bills and Bucs was a big AZ fan.  I saw BA get the most out of Big Ben, then when thrust into the head coaching job in Indy turn that team around after the Manning injury and helped develop Luck.  He then went to AZ and turn that team around from 5-11 prior to him, to a 10-11 win all but one year in AZ.  
 

Anything is possible so I’m rooting for the Bills, but the Bucs are the most complete team in the NFL now.  They are a good passing team, can be good on the ground, and everyone saw what the defense can do last night.  The Bucs as constructed are extremely well built.

 

 

[wjag]

I think the Bills would have been beaten soundly by the Bucs. Their D line was so dominant. They were in the backfield on every play.  Kudos to them.  They were stacked and played like it.  

[Xwnyer]

No we would have little pass rush, played soft zone and got smoked by the TEs.  May not be a record of flags flying in first half however

[SirAndrew]

No, and I’m almost happy we didn’t have to witness it. Getting beating by Brady and the refs would have been a brutal way to lose our fifth Super Bowl. KC didn’t play well, but there was a lot to overcome with the way that game was officiated. 

Edited February 8, 2021 by SirAndrew

[Nihilarian]

I'd say no! After watching what the Bucs did to Aaron Rodgers and the 13-3 Green bay Packers.

 

The Packers had a very balanced attack all season and in that NFC Championship game they ran 16 times for 67 yards. Meanwhile Rodgers 33 of 48 for 346, 3 TDs, 1 INT. 

 

While it would look like Rodgers had a good game he was sacked 5x and hurried, harassed all game. 

 

Tampa even lost ToP 34:37 to 25:23 and yards 275 to 314. Tampa even had more turnovers as Brady threw 3x INTs. 

 

It was the Bucs defense able to hold that Packers offense to field goals. 

 

 

 

QB Blane Gabbert now has a SB ring 🤣

[Steptide]

Honestly, no, and part of me is glad the bills bills didn't lose to Brady in the superbowl. That might be a wound that would never heal 

[Gugny]

The way McDermott coaches in the post season?  Ha.  No.  Bills would have gotten bludgeoned.  

[SCBills]

I don’t know that we would beat them, but I think we would’ve had a better chance.  
 

Our defense likely plays better than KC’s did once the refs started calling them on all the holding in the secondary.  
 

Our offense would’ve needed an all-time great game from Allen and the WR’s, considering how one dimensional we were, BUT our offensive line probably holds up better than KC’s minus Fisher. 

[FieldGeneral]

Nope. Their DL is fast and create havok. We wouldn't have been able to run the ball either. 

[RunTheBall]

It’s hard to say because we can’t know if that TB team which dominated KC plays the same against us with different match-ups. My gut tells me we don’t have the front 7 to pressure Brady consistently and he would have carved us up. The TB MLB White is everything we want Edmunds to be. A fast, disruptive, playmaking MLB. I loved the Edmunds pick but he needs to show up next year and start making some impact plays or we need to move him or move on.

 

So what’s the explanation for the refs FINALLY calling the KC DBs for raping receivers all game long? They have been doing it all year to the point that its embedded in their defensive game plan. The Bills fan in me wants to say its because he was playing the GOAT and Brady always gets the flags. Maybe Arians called the refs everyday before the game and said “Hey, KC holds every defensive play all over the field, do something”.

 

Anyway, I never thought I’d say it but I found myself rooting against KC (not necessarily for the Bucs) because they and their fans are such a bunch of douche bags. It’s not because we lost to them, they were the better team, I just don’t like the arrogance. Plus, I loved the thought of Belichick watching his legacy get crapped on by Tom because the narrative is definitely shifting towards “It was more Brady than Belichick”

 

I loved Brady getting in Mathieus face, and loved Winfield Junior taunting Hill after the 4th down. What a bunch of punks those guys are. I’ll always hate NE most but KC is rapidly becoming a favorite team to hate.

[UKBillFan]

Going back to the opening question - no.

[Billzgobowlin]

4 hours ago, Utah John said:

The Chiefs O line which is usually quite good was terrible because it was reshuffled when Fisher got hurt against the Bills.  The Chiefs with their regular O line would have been a far more formidable opponent.  Mahomes isn't superman -- he needs reasonable protection to be effective.  All that blitzing that TB did would have left them exposed to Mahomes' passing and Kelce's quick moves to get open, if Mahomes had just had a little more time.

 

The question is, would the Bills, who had their entire team intact including a good O line, have been more effective against TB than the Chiefs, with their terrible O line, were today?  I have to figure, yes.

 

Also, the refs decided to penalize the Chiefs' DBs for doing to the Bucs exactly what they did to the Bills' receivers.  Holding, hitting them downfield, etc.  Diggs struggled to get open and that's just because the Chiefs were, essentially, cheating.  I think the Bills passing game, with their good O line, would have been very effective against TB's defense, which wasn't cheating.

 

Could the Bills D have stopped the Bucs offense?  Well, no, no one can the way they're playing.  But the Bills would have been facing mere mortals instead of Marvel characters like Tyreek Hill.  And so the Bills D would have kept us in the game.

 

There is NO WAY TB would blow out the Bills like they did the Chiefs.

I heard that excuse all game.  They have been playing a while with their missing tackles and it was never a excuse till now.  Plus does the mean we can suggest that missing Star would have made a difference for us and that's why we lost?  

[colin]

well, looking at that game and how the bills played really the whole playoffs, my gut is no.

 

the bills match up better w tb than we do w KC, and better than how the KC team we saw last night matches up.  We are far stronger on the edges in pass protection, and TBs sick run d would impact us less since we basically only run w josh. 

 

assuming our WRs would have gotten a bit healthier, i think we score a few touchdowns.  kc's dirty tricks didn't work without the home cooking last night.

 

on the other side, i think our d scheme vs kc was horrible, and the bills would have played a much more confident game vs TB.  i think it would have been similar to the Indy game for the d, where they play solid most of the time, but would get trucked a couple times too.

 

mahomes clearly can't do what allen does, allen scrambles and makes plays more than any other qb i've ever seen, so i think we woulda had a shot, but not a great one.

[prissythecat]

4 hours ago, Utah John said:

The Chiefs O line which is usually quite good was terrible because it was reshuffled when Fisher got hurt against the Bills.  The Chiefs with their regular O line would have been a far more formidable opponent.  Mahomes isn't superman -- he needs reasonable protection to be effective.  All that blitzing that TB did would have left them exposed to Mahomes' passing and Kelce's quick moves to get open, if Mahomes had just had a little more time.

 

The question is, would the Bills, who had their entire team intact including a good O line, have been more effective against TB than the Chiefs, with their terrible O line, were today?  I have to figure, yes.

 

Also, the refs decided to penalize the Chiefs' DBs for doing to the Bucs exactly what they did to the Bills' receivers.  Holding, hitting them downfield, etc.  Diggs struggled to get open and that's just because the Chiefs were, essentially, cheating.  I think the Bills passing game, with their good O line, would have been very effective against TB's defense, which wasn't cheating.

 

Could the Bills D have stopped the Bucs offense?  Well, no, no one can the way they're playing.  But the Bills would have been facing mere mortals instead of Marvel characters like Tyreek Hill.  And so the Bills D would have kept us in the game.

 

There is NO WAY TB would blow out the Bills like they did the Chiefs.

Tampa Bay only blitzed Mahomes five times.  No need to be blitz happy when KCs oline was overmatched .

 

https://www.theringer.com/nfl-playoffs/2021/2/8/22271957/winners-and-losers-super-bowl-lv-tom-brady-patrick-mahomes-buccaneers-chiefs

 

[HOUSE]

When Tom Brady is 64

[Captain Hindsight]

McDermott always seemed to have a good plan vs Brady, but that front 4 was nasty. Josh would have been running for his life

[nickrage]

I don’t think anyone was beating Tampa Bay last night.