Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/how-bills-josh-allen-will-work-to-become-a-better-quarterback-in-2021/article_570a3832-6276-11eb-9cf6-379d0b7b6d84.html#tracking-source=article-related-bottom (paywall, $1/month trial available) Lots of good stuff here - input from Phil Simms as a former NFL QB, Jordan Palmer, Greg Cosell of NFL films, and Jim Kubiak of TBN who's been analyzing every offensive snap for the last 3 years. Good article by Jason Wolf - I can't do it justice, worth the read. Quote “You keep diving into your playbook, you keep watching film, you keep working on your mechanics,” Allen said, “and that’s what I’ll be doing this offseason, trying to fine-tune my game and to be the best version of myself, the best quarterback I can be for this Bills team.” (......) Allen will spend the offseason working on the physical and mental aspects of his game. He’ll push to become more consistent in his execution through repetition. And he’ll study film and digest the experience of this season to improve his knowledge of the game, his ability to read defenses and his decision-making under pressure. And he apparently sees a lot of "meat left on the bone" in the Chiefs game: Quote A day after losing to the Chiefs, Allen said countless in-game decisions could have been better. “There’s so many different plays running through my mind that I could’ve done something different on and helped our team and put us in a better situation to try to win that game last night,” Allen said. “I have a feeling those plays will be stuck in my head for a long time, probably until we start playing again.” Palmer implies there is stuff they ran out of time to work on as well as stuff they'll reinforce: Quote “The really exciting thing is some of the things that we found out really won’t be addressed until this coming offseason,” Palmer said before the playoffs began during an interview on One Bills Live. “So you think about this growth, this gain, I’m not creating expectations here. Josh has handled that himself. But there’s a ways to go and I think we’re not even close to the ceiling.” Greg Cosell (jaw drop) ... is OBD paying these guys? Because this still blows my mind: Quote “I think he’s the most physically gifted quarterback in the NFL,” said ESPN analyst Greg Cosell, “and knowing what I know about him and the coaching staff, I think he’ll just continue to improve.” Cosell also thinks Year 4 might be significant: Quote “I’ve talked to a lot of coaches over the years, who always say it takes four years for a quarterback to fully understand his offense and to put that all together with a full understanding of the defenses in the NFL,” Cosell said. Onward and Upward, Bills Mafia! 8 1 15 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClemsonBills Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Allen will improve just by watching games he struggled in. This will be a big film offseason for him. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Aussie Joe Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 He improved so much this past year, I dont know how fair it is to expect that he can improve much more... Hope he can though... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Reducing the 30-yard sacks & sack-fumbles where the play is breaking down beyond ALL hope but he keeps backing up trying to make something of it. He was able to find some guys when in trouble, but he’s gotta get that sense down of when to cut bait. Hope he works on his handoffs. They just don’t have a quick, fluid motion or make any attempt to disguise what’s happening. Lamar Jackson seems like the master of this and that split second advantage he creates for himself or his RBs is big. We can’t expect Lamar but getting better at it is do-able. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 If Josh just does a few minor tweaks and our Oline play gets more consistent then we will once again be a top scoring team and roll our division like we did this year. I am mostly concerned with the trenches on both sides, we need to get better there and we will be nasty. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Ball security and Throw the ball away instead of 30 yard sacks Continue to work on footwork 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 This is the quality that Allen has that could lead him to greatness. Not the crazy good arm or superior athleticism. He's just relentless about improving his game. The QB who he most reminds me of in that respect is Peyton Manning. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Not sure I can read it if Nick Wright didn't contribute. He has so much knowledgeable information on Josh. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Here’s the single fact that should have us all sleeping easy — Josh is 24. 24! The way these guys take care of themselves now it’s not ridiculous to think we have our QB for the next 15 years. “The most physically gifted QB in the league” who is only getting better. 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) Palmer has said before several times there's a lot they couldn't get to last season. They worked on his mechanics the last two years but even more specifically last year with the body scan they did. And he's said before that they concentrated on the two major changes they found he needed but that there are details that still need to be addressed. It is a good article. Edited February 1, 2021 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 5 hours ago, UConn James said: Reducing the 30-yard sacks & sack-fumbles where the play is breaking down beyond ALL hope but he keeps backing up trying to make something of it. He was able to find some guys when in trouble, but he’s gotta get that sense down of when to cut bait. Hope he works on his handoffs. They just don’t have a quick, fluid motion or make any attempt to disguise what’s happening. Lamar Jackson seems like the master of this and that split second advantage he creates for himself or his RBs is big. We can’t expect Lamar but getting better at it is do-able. Uconn, you know what’s funny is on NFL Matchup, this exact problem of a QB continuing to go back to evade pressure vs. stepping into the pocket is what guess who... Oat Mahomes. Cosell and crew were stating Mahomes makes it very difficult to block for him because when he keeps going backward, it’s easier for edge rushers to get around the tackles to get to him. The point of the clip was KC does have some flaws, amd this is one of them. The problem is we didn’t have the rushers to get to Mahomes, but KC did have the juice. The point was not Mahomes has flaws to me, but Allen needs to step into the pocket and not think he can always evade the rush vs. all too often feel he can use his athleticism to get out of trouble. The problem is for many teams, his strategy works and thus reinforces bad behavior. We go ooh, aww, and we should be thinking, what are you stupid, step into the pocket. It also symbolizes we needed healthy WR’s out there. Playing all of the guys with an oblique, knee, ankle, broken leg was a mistake. Diggs would’ve been ok, but we should’ve considered Still and McKenzie. Replace them with two of the other guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 5 hours ago, UConn James said: Reducing the 30-yard sacks & sack-fumbles where the play is breaking down beyond ALL hope but he keeps backing up trying to make something of it. He was able to find some guys when in trouble, but he’s gotta get that sense down of when to cut bait. Hope he works on his handoffs. They just don’t have a quick, fluid motion or make any attempt to disguise what’s happening. Lamar Jackson seems like the master of this and that split second advantage he creates for himself or his RBs is big. We can’t expect Lamar but getting better at it is do-able. Of QBs with over 250 pass attempts (34 QBs), Allen had the 9th lowest sack % (4.3), was 5th lowest in averge yards lost per sack (6.1), was 16th in total sacks (26), and was 20th in total yards lost (159). Pretty sure sacks and handoffs were not a real problem for Allen. As far as the fumbles go, it is less about carelessness with the football than it is about style of play. 17 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: Allen needs to step into the pocket and not think he can always evade the rush vs. all too often feel he can use his athleticism to get out of trouble. The problem is for many teams, his strategy works and thus reinforces bad behavior. We go ooh, aww, and we should be thinking, what are you stupid, step into the pocket. It also symbolizes we needed healthy WR’s out there. Playing all of the guys with an oblique, knee, ankle, broken leg was a mistake. Diggs would’ve been ok, but we should’ve considered Still and McKenzie. Replace them with two of the other guys. This year, Allen was one of the best at moving within, and stepping up into, the pocket - and you rarely saw him bail when he didn't need to. He kept his composure, rarely panicked, and always kept his eyes downfield while moving around in the pocket, which is why he had one of the highest ratings in passing from the pocket. One of his many physical gifts is his ability to escape pressure and extend plays with his athleticism. There are going to be times when he is going to take a sack when he could have gotten rid of the ball, or have the ball stripped loose while trying to extend a play. IMO, it is not bad behavior, and rarely is it the result of carelessness or bad decison making. It is inevitable that his style of play will result in a bad play now and then; however, those are far outweighed by all of the good to great plays that result from his athleticism. He is a smart kid who is getting better and better at understanding the game and how his style of play works within it. Since his first year, he has continuously improved in taking care of his body, making better decisions, making fewer mistakes, and knowing when/how to use his athleticism - all while still staying within his style of play. He is only going to get better. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frat-Train Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 So one of the best QBs in football is about to get even better???? QB’s don’t do that! Once Todd McShay, Terry Bradshaw and other well-known prospect pundits say you’re inaccurate it’s gospel, I thought... The most physically gifted QB in the NFL, just shocked the world with his improvements and hasn’t even reached the 20th floor in his 30 floor armory of a skill set and ... he’s a Buffalo Bill... Good lord things in WNY have gotten neat! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Minor thing, but I'd like to see him work on his hard count a bit - watching Aaron Rodgers tape would be a good start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said: The point was not Mahomes has flaws to me, but Allen needs to step into the pocket and not think he can always evade the rush vs. all too often feel he can use his athleticism to get out of trouble. The problem is for many teams, his strategy works and thus reinforces bad behavior. We go ooh, aww, and we should be thinking, what are you stupid, step into the pocket. This is one area where Rodgers has excelled. If you go back and look at his career you’ll find that when Rodgers has excellent guards he almost always escapes through the C or D gaps after the DE’s have committed to running the arc. Running backwards is a patch to extend plays with poor interior line play. It would be nice to have some dominant guard play so Allen can rely on escaping horizontally as that presses shallow zones and frees up receivers. Id like to see him get more comfortable under center and get his handoffs & PA fakes to look the same. That will help our running game and freeze LBers and safeties longer on PA passes. Gotta admit, it’s pretty awesome that we’re all talking about smaller aspects of his game. Before the season started I didn’t think Allen would be this damn good this fast. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, ClemsonBills said: Allen will improve just by watching games he struggled in. This will be a big film offseason for him. Agreed....but it still is a physically challenging off-season as well. He came a long way from year two to three. He needs to continue the hard work with repititions, not only to maintain what he has gained, but to become better and not slip back to old habbits. I know he will do just that. He is an extremely hard worker and won't want to let his teammates down. Edited February 1, 2021 by Beast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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spartacus Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 2 hours ago, machine gun kelly said: Uconn, you know what’s funny is on NFL Matchup, this exact problem of a QB continuing to go back to evade pressure vs. stepping into the pocket is what guess who... Oat Mahomes. Cosell and crew were stating Mahomes makes it very difficult to block for him because when he keeps going backward, it’s easier for edge rushers to get around the tackles to get to him. The point of the clip was KC does have some flaws, amd this is one of them. The problem is we didn’t have the rushers to get to Mahomes, but KC did have the juice. The point was not Mahomes has flaws to me, but Allen needs to step into the pocket and not think he can always evade the rush vs. all too often feel he can use his athleticism to get out of trouble. The problem is for many teams, his strategy works and thus reinforces bad behavior. We go ooh, aww, and we should be thinking, what are you stupid, step into the pocket. It also symbolizes we needed healthy WR’s out there. Playing all of the guys with an oblique, knee, ankle, broken leg was a mistake. Diggs would’ve been ok, but we should’ve considered Still and McKenzie. Replace them with two of the other guys. in order to step up into the pocket, you cannot your OG being thrown into your face on every play take note on things to fix for 2021 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 I have no worries that Allen will spend the majority of the off-season obsessively looking to get better just like he has the first 3 seasons...that type of hunger and drive is internal and can't be taught. It is just who he is. If I was a betting man he will pick apart his tape from both Chief losses and try and figure out how to fix his issues there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 8 hours ago, Bubba Gump said: Not sure I can read it if Nick Wright didn't contribute. He has so much knowledgeable information on Josh. Bills fans seriously need to stop paying attention to that guy. He says ridiculous stuff on purpose because he knows hundreds of bills fans will get all worked up over it and amplify his comments. He’s a troll that craves attention. Don’t give it to him. (this comment is not directed at you, just talking in general). 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Bills v Chiefs could be week 1 right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 I keep saying it but the improvement Allen made this year simply blows my mind. It’s like Danny Devito disappeared for a few months and then reappeared as the sexiest dude in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Josh had playoff Yips last season against Houston and got over them. Josh had playoff Yips this season in the AFFCG leading to the SB. He will get over them as well. Not to beat a dead horse. Get Josh a run game and watch him get even better mentally, not having to do it all himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajmac Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 PERSPECTIVE Would you think of a 29 year old quarterback, playing really well, in the top QB stats and wins as too old to improve, or not able to? Josh has 5 NFL seasons to develop before he even gets there. Think about that... We have so many great years of football ahead of us. Let’s enjoy the chase as fans and support our man under center. Dude is ballin’ out and I can’t wait to see what’s next! Go Bills! 🏈💯 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 hour ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: Josh had playoff Yips last season against Houston and got over them. Josh had playoff Yips this season in the AFFCG leading to the SB. He will get over them as well. Not to beat a dead horse. Get Josh a run game and watch him get even better mentally, not having to do it all himself. Knowing Josh there probably will be a element of improvement to his game from 2020. His deep ball albeit better needs some more fine tuning. He has to learn to stop taking these 25 yard sacks. Throw the ball away before you actually step out of bounds. And calm your nerves a little before games, especially big games. Daboll has to give him a better run game. This will be critical to beat KC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) Get better around Allen starting with the TE position. If you want to beat the K C Chiefs Buffalo needs to get more physical. Use the Andy Reid football team like a blueprint. Buffalo needs a Kelce. To me this should be Buffalo's top priority. Josh Allen is intelligent with the drive and the tenacity it takes to become a champion IMO. Allen will continue finding ways to hone his craft IMO. Buffalo needs to continue upgrading the team around him. Najee Harris is the next best thing you can do for Allen IMO. Myself personally, you can't keep swinging and missing at the RB position. Hit the home room. Edited February 1, 2021 by Figster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 1, 2021 Author Share Posted February 1, 2021 2 hours ago, Figster said: Get better around Allen starting with the TE position. If you want to beat the K C Chiefs Buffalo needs to get more physical. Use the Andy Reid football team like a blueprint. Buffalo needs a Kelce. To me this should be Buffalo's top priority. Josh Allen is intelligent with the drive and the tenacity it takes to become a champion IMO. Allen will continue finding ways to hone his craft IMO. Buffalo needs to continue upgrading the team around him. Najee Harris is the next best thing you can do for Allen IMO. Myself personally, you can't keep swinging and missing at the RB position. Hit the home room. If you mosey over to the "how to improve the run game" thread and keep a watch on Cover1, as far as run game goes there's reason to share blame. I think we need an upgrade on OL, myself, as well as an upgrade in "work on it" Good luck finding Kelce or Kittle, though I believe an upgrade at TE is due. Allen has opportunities to hit throws to RB or Knox he's not taking, that could move the spheroid down the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: If you mosey over to the "how to improve the run game" thread and keep a watch on Cover1, as far as run game goes there's reason to share blame. I think we need an upgrade on OL, myself, as well as an upgrade in "work on it" Good luck finding Kelce or Kittle, though I believe an upgrade at TE is due. Allen has opportunities to hit throws to RB or Knox he's not taking, that could move the spheroid down the field. Singletary falls flat on his face in what should have been a big gainer. Oline had zero to do with it. Like Singletary Knox drops footballs. Good TE's don't drop footballs. Good luck you say on drafting the next Kelce? How about good scouting and the right amount of attention on a postion that increases Buffalo's physicallity in the passing game that is long over due. Allens ball distribution appears to coincide with the the amount of confidence Allen gains by the individual achievements of each receiver. Something an intelligent QB would naturally do IMO. The way I see it Hapless fixing the problem requires an upgrade in Allens security blankets IMO. Edited February 1, 2021 by Figster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 I think it’s just to much in his instincts for him to stop taking a bad sack or two cause he tries to extend plays...so my guess is him checking into more running plays and in general using his running backs more in the offense 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 The one thing that continues to be an issue, although was a bit better this year, is deep ball accuracy. When you have a guy running wide open for an easy 6 an NFL QB cant miss em, its inexcusable. He could use to get the ball out faster, but so much of that has to do with talent around him as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frat-Train Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 He’s earned the right to be in his guys faces, going forward. I hope to see that when they play like they did in KC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 12 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: I think it’s just to much in his instincts for him to stop taking a bad sack or two cause he tries to extend plays...so my guess is him checking into more running plays and in general using his running backs more in the offense I think it'll be this, with checking down to RB passes more also. This assumes they add a good receiving RB for Singletary's role. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: The one thing that continues to be an issue, although was a bit better this year, is deep ball accuracy. When you have a guy running wide open for an easy 6 an NFL QB cant miss em, its inexcusable. He could use to get the ball out faster, but so much of that has to do with talent around him as well. Agreed, but his issue as I see it on deep balls is simply never putting air under it. Look at Matt Barkley -- he throws lollipop deep balls, but if a guy has the defender beat, he's gonna catch it because he will have the time to adjust and track it down. There is no time to adjust to Allen's deep balls, so they have to be really accurate. I was watching some highlights of DeShaun Watson deep balls, and he simply launched it up high and expects his receiver to go get it. He gets a lot of TDs that way. One issue with Allen is that his arm is so goddamn strong that throwing a ball 50 yards with velocity on a low arc is basically effortless for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 I think I said it before he'll actually become Zeus throwing thunderbolts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 12 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Agreed, but his issue as I see it on deep balls is simply never putting air under it. Look at Matt Barkley -- he throws lollipop deep balls, but if a guy has the defender beat, he's gonna catch it because he will have the time to adjust and track it down. There is no time to adjust to Allen's deep balls, so they have to be really accurate. I was watching some highlights of DeShaun Watson deep balls, and he simply launched it up high and expects his receiver to go get it. He gets a lot of TDs that way. One issue with Allen is that his arm is so goddamn strong that throwing a ball 50 yards with velocity on a low arc is basically effortless for him. So he basically needs to get more control of his arm strength - take weight off the fall I’m order to give it a better trajectory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 I would go with more fulsome sideburns. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 he's going to start crapping thunder, and lightning is going to shoot out of his mouth. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Ummmm his next Improvment is probably his 401k lol 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 15 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Agreed, but his issue as I see it on deep balls is simply never putting air under it. Look at Matt Barkley -- he throws lollipop deep balls, but if a guy has the defender beat, he's gonna catch it because he will have the time to adjust and track it down. There is no time to adjust to Allen's deep balls, so they have to be really accurate. I was watching some highlights of DeShaun Watson deep balls, and he simply launched it up high and expects his receiver to go get it. He gets a lot of TDs that way. One issue with Allen is that his arm is so goddamn strong that throwing a ball 50 yards with velocity on a low arc is basically effortless for him. Easy to do in a dome - now try that in buffalo in january. Russel Wilson had like 30 TDs at the midway point this year and a lot of them were like that. Then weather turns a bit and it becomes more challenging to chuck the ball 40 yards accurately without a bit of heat behind the ball. 30 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: I think it’s just to much in his instincts for him to stop taking a bad sack or two cause he tries to extend plays...so my guess is him checking into more running plays and in general using his running backs more in the offense I'd like to see him continue to develop his fakes. He's shown the shoulder fake, and some head fakes - but thats what makes mahomes so dirty against zone. He whooped edmunds on fakes in the middle and there's nothing you can do - if he can buy time and manipulate the LBs and safeties he's basically unstoppable. He's massively improved on pre-snap reads and adjustments, but there's still work to be done there as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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