ClemsonBills

I’m not splitting hairs, just standing by my original statement. Accessibility and affordability are literally different concepts. But you want me to engage in your argument that I never initiated. A sport can be expensive and still be accessible if there are plenty of opportunities, facilities, and entry points for people to participate. A Ferrari is accessible at a dealership but not affordable for most people. Those are different concepts. You’re arguing degree; I’m arguing definition.

You keep acting like “accessible” and “cheap” are synonyms when they aren’t. I never said that it couldn’t be expensive. The point is that it’s incredibly accessible despite being (potentially) expensive. If you can’t distinguish the difference between affordability and accessibility, this back and forth is worthless.

I’ve already detailed how incredibly accessible it is where I’m at. Can’t force you to see it that way though. Your mind is made up on a topic you know very little about.

That’s an insult to you? Didn’t think bills fans were that soft. you can take that as an insult though lol

- I rode my bike with my clubs on my back - you don’t have to visit the range, this is a choice - courses are lenient on clothing more than ever- so this is also a choice - taking a cart is certainly a choice - every sport would require you not to be working? lol wtf are you trying to prove with that? - bring your own water from home? Again you have to bring your own water to a baseball or basketball game (silly that you even typed that out) honestly a pretty sad rebuttal when you go back and look. Again, My argument was never that it couldn’t be expensive. It was that it’s more accessible than it’s ever been. Anyone in the field of golf would agree with this, and I'm guessing everyone that’s disagreeing with me is not in that field.

That price is for youth to play and get into the game. But you are right, golf has many choices and sometimes the round that is $20 is just as great as the round that is $65. Go back and look at the original message I was responding to. You don't need to be wealthy, rich, well off or whatever word you want to use in order to play golf. That is what I addressed, and somehow it turned into people trying to tell me how expensive golf is. When in reality it is more accessible than it has ever been. Which is a completely true statement. Any argument to that is a choice. And I have kids who are using 20 year old clubs. Its what they were given and they have made it work. Just because you think they don't last, doesn't mean that is the truth.

$5 a month and free clubs is not more expensive compared to other sports and the initial investments. You're just arguing to argue at this point.

You can buy a set of club for a few hundred dollars. They will last decades. You can also pick up a set at a garage sale (sometimes for free), and they too, will last decades. My point wasn't that golf can't be expensive, it was that it is extremely accessible and barriers that previously existed are not issues anymore. You are simply citing what the average golfer spends, not what it costs to participate. Those are two totally different things. I coach a varsity team in NY. The area I work in is an extremely low socioeconomic status district. Golf courses routinely give sets of old or lost clubs to my athletes. They all also receive a free membership over the summer. If you don't believe me, go to your local muni and find out. Good courses are eager to grow the game. It is ignorant to think that golf is some unattainable sport for people in 2026. Every sport requires an initial investment. If you know anyone who needs clubs and wants to play, please reach out to me.

I mean if you are a youth in Western NY, you can play a plethora of golf courses for $5 per month (unlimited rounds). If you are an adult, you probably shouldn't get into golf if $40 breaks the bank for a round. Golf clubs are cheap and you can find people giving away sets all the time on FB marketplace or local garage sales. If you don't want your own clubs, renting is an option and its not expensive at all.

Just a false statement. Golf is incredibly accessible now. For some of us, we wish this wasn't the case, but that's just how it is now.

You haven't seen the video?!

McBeane loved their ST guys

Tyson or Tate

uhhhhh, yeah? Kubiak is making Darnold look good. Do you trust Darnold or Allen more? What a stupid question.