Ramza86 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Assuming Josh continues his great QB play throughout this year and next year....what is he going to fetch? I can imagine its going to be near 40 million a year. Good lord thats a lot of money. Pay it. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 I’ve been wondering this myself. There is the fact that he seems to have really settled in with this team and the fan base. I don’t think he would try for something outrageous like Mahomes got. He’s smart enough to understand that investing a ton of money in to one player would hurt a team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted November 12, 2020 Author Share Posted November 12, 2020 Just now, buffalo2218 said: I’ve been wondering this myself. There is the fact that he seems to have really settled in with this team and the fan base. I don’t think he would try for something outrageous like Mahomes got. He’s smart enough to understand that investing a ton of money in to one player would hurt a team. I think I heard the Mahomes deals actually has a lot of leeway to adjust his contract in order to make cap room for future players. I imagine we would be thinking of something like this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badassgixxer05 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 They have to pay him whatever it takes to keep him here. The last 25 years that we endured should be enough evidence to show management that Great QBs don't grow on trees. Once on that big contract, have make sure we are hitting on all of our draft picks.! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Ramza86 said: I think I heard the Mahomes deals actually has a lot of leeway to adjust his contract in order to make cap room for future players. I imagine we would be thinking of something like this. Agreed, but I could see Allen becoming the type of player that would take a cut to sign a FA that he knows would strengthen the team 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 I think he is the type of player that will take a team friendly deal and not pull a Dak. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 I think the Bills will make him a fair offer for his value. I don't see there being a big negotiation process. If it's in after next season, I think it starts at 40 mil, assuming the cap doesn't go down 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 I also think he would take a discount. But he's got an agent... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 He'll come in around Watson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 He will settle for nothing less than #2 money. He will want more than Wilson and Watson but settle for less than Mahomes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 In a normal year the league makes about 15-16 billion a year in revenue. This isn't a normal year obviously. The Cap will either remain flat or go down. Josh seems like the type of player to take a discount so the Bills have more money to build the roster but who knows. I am sure Mahomes is glad he got the deal he did because I don't think he would get that now despite him being a great player. I could see Josh taking a short term deal and then when things get back to normal (hopefully) then really cashing in on his next contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 The big question will be do the Bills take a chance and push off the extension until after the fourth year. They have the leverage of the 5th year option. With COVID-19 the cap may stay flat or fall and it might be advantageous for both parties to wait another year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Spotrac has Josh Allen's market value right at 40 million per. I think the only big decision or surprise if you will is going to be the length of the contract. i would think it's at least 5 years and maybe even 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Why do I care? Finally a top 8 QB (maybe top 5)......😜 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston's #1 Bills Fan Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 I love how people indicate that Josh "seems" to be the type that would take a discount. But, we really don't know. I certainly hope that he is and that playing for Buffalo is the only thing he cares about. We all love those stories of "hell, I'd play for free, just don't tell them that!" But, that's not reality. All in all, I hope that he gets a fair deal that he likes and that doesn't preclude us from still obtaining good talent in free agency. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Am I the only person that doesn't want to talk about his contract yet? We have several threads on this. According to the CBA he can't get a new contract until next year... then he gets paid $7M ... then he has his 5th year option ... then we can talk contract. Just enjoy it for now. Enough about the contract. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock'em Sock'em Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 2021 - Under rookie contract 2022 - 5th year option 2023 - Guessing the franchise tag will be around $35M+, hard to say. If the level of his play continues to escalate, I'd hope a 5-year $200M contract extension starting in 2023 mostly guaranteed would be about right and would allow Josh to hit FA at least one more time while still in his prime. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 If it’s anything under 40 AAV you sprint to the printer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 W/o major restructuring there is no cap space to pay him big bucks in 2021. sure they can extend give him a new contract Again there is no cap space in 2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 10 years 425 mil. unless he wins the superbowl and it that case its the mahomes deal 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Its actually really nice to be discussing a second contract with a legit franchise QB instead of convincing ourselves that some teams backup has a chance to stabilize the position for us 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 24 minutes ago, Ramza86 said: Assuming Josh continues his great QB play throughout this year and next year....what is he going to fetch? I can imagine its going to be near 40 million a year. Good lord thats a lot of money. Pay it. lol Josh deserves it right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 14 minutes ago, Rock'em Sock'em said: 2021 - Under rookie contract 2022 - 5th year option 2023 - Guessing the franchise tag will be around $35M+, hard to say. If the level of his play continues to escalate, I'd hope a 5-year $200M contract extension starting in 2023 mostly guaranteed would be about right and would allow Josh to hit FA at least one more time while still in his prime. The sweet spot for young QB extensions is either the offseason before the final year of their rookie deal or the offseason before their 5th year option (assuming they were a first round pick). Let this season play out. If we are still sold on him, then move forward. If there is a cause for concern - whether it is play or COVID related - then we have another season thanks to the fifth year option. It’s just not a good idea to push things down the road so far that we are looking at possibly having to use the franchise tag. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Ramza86 said: Assuming Josh continues his great QB play throughout this year and next year....what is he going to fetch? I can imagine its going to be near 40 million a year. Good lord thats a lot of money. Pay it. lol While there is a half season and playoffs to still be played, I would argue he is already a top 8 QB right now. That being said, I don't know when Josh gets his extension, it may not even be next year, he is only on year 3 of his deal, but I think the amount of the extension will be a 2 part equation. First part, what did he do in the playoffs. A subpar playoff game and early exit isn't going to help his case on the contract size. Two, what kind of home town discount is he willing to include, if at all. This is what we know about Josh. He is one of the single most competitive players in the league and wants to win more than anything else. He truly loves Buffalo, its fan base, and playing with this team. He loves his brothers in that locker room. He is a small town guy and doesn't seem to prioritize money over all other things. Its always foolish to just assume a player will give a home town discount. Mahomes has a lot of the same traits above and seems to love playing in KC, yet he didn't afford them a home town discount by any means. However, Mahomes had also already won a SB, and that changes the mentality a bit too. If Josh and the Bills come up short of a SB trophy this year, that hunger is going to still be there, especially if they get even closer to it this year. I can see Josh wanting the team to have a little extra fire power in keeping as many guys as they can and some flexibility in adding some more quality pieces around him for them to all have an even greater shot at the trophy. Then there are just guys that when you really look at them you just feel like he is the kind of guy that prioritizes winning and staying where he loves to play over money regardless of what they have already accomplished. And Josh is the rare guy I think fits that description, so while no home town discount is assured by any means, I do feel its going to be a strong possibility that Beane and Allen will structure a deal that allows Allen to really cash in but still not be a cap killing contract that would make it harder for Beane to truly keep a championship TEAM on the field. Edited November 12, 2020 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 A lot but it will be worth it because we will be contenders year in and year out for 10-12 or more years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 If Covid is cured, we could be looking at 45-50M/yr. The pent-up demand for the NFL will explode, driving up the salary cap and sending QB salaries skyrocketing. Barring injury, Josh Allen is going to be a very rich man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 (edited) Josh won't be fetching anything Edited November 12, 2020 by HOUSE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan619 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 $40 mil per Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Serious question, besides Brady what other QB has taken a discount contract? Not Mahomes, Wilson, Roethlisberger, Rodgers, or Brees. Not even Ryan. I cant think of another. It just isn't a thing that happens outside of Brady-Belichick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 35 minutes ago, Houston's #1 Bills Fan said: I love how people indicate that Josh "seems" to be the type that would take a discount. But, we really don't know. I certainly hope that he is and that playing for Buffalo is the only thing he cares about. We all love those stories of "hell, I'd play for free, just don't tell them that!" But, that's not reality. All in all, I hope that he gets a fair deal that he likes and that doesn't preclude us from still obtaining good talent in free agency. That's what the word "seems" is there for. 23 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: W/o major restructuring there is no cap space to pay him big bucks in 2021. sure they can extend give him a new contract Again there is no cap space in 2021. Yup. That's why I don't think an extension is coming after this off-season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkollidas Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 I wonder if they don’t basically do what they did with Tre. Give him the 5th year option, let it play out, and then have his extension on the back end of it, as opposed to tearing up the last year or two of his rookie & 5th year option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DCofNC Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 I wonder if he doesn’t become the first guy to take a cap percentage deal. Maybe the deal is 15% of the cap total as base salary, with an additional signing bonus of 50M for 5 years. That makes him approximately 40M average, BUT insulates him against the cap going crazy and he gets jack ***** and the Bills against the cap falling and having to cut everyone around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocemur Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 What role do national endorsement deals play? If Josh can get some of those Chunky Soup dollars or whatever, it can blunt the appeal of the big market offers. Josh seems to have a good head on his shoulders, and just as success will lead to huge money, maybe staying in a successful situation that allows him to cash in off the football field will factor into the equation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 $39M since he'll easily get a million from the commercials he does with Tasker for West Herr Ford 😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Josh seems like the type of guy to take a team friendly deal but it will still be a big portion of our cap. Someone beat me to the rounders gif lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nester Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 No hurry, 5th year option then tag him before you lock him in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Ramza86 said: Assuming Josh continues his great QB play throughout this year and next year....what is he going to fetch? I can imagine its going to be near 40 million a year. Good lord thats a lot of money. Pay it. lol If he's a top 8 QB by the end of NEXT year? Who are the 8+ ahead of him NOW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted November 12, 2020 Author Share Posted November 12, 2020 Just now, 1ManRaid said: If he's a top 8 QB by the end of NEXT year? Who are the 8+ ahead of him NOW? Im not saying hes 8. Im just saying if hes up there with the top QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Doc said: I also think he would take a discount. But he's got an agent... Agents can be replaced. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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