BobbyC81 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Bojorquez was at the bottom of the league last year in punt average. He was decent in 2018 with about a 45 yard average but still in the bottom half. If they’re serious about having good special teams, why do they stick with this guy? With his 40 yard average last season, he’s losing 5 to 10 yards of field position vs other punters. I know they emphasize positional punting and dropping the ball inside the 20 but how many times have we seen a shank from our end when a booming kick was needed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Because at this point the guys they've brought in weren't better. 18 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, ColeB said: Bojorquez was at the bottom of the league last year in punt average. He was decent in 2018 with about a 45 yard average but still in the bottom half. If they’re serious about having good special teams, why do they stick with this guy? With his 40 yard average last season, he’s losing 5 to 10 yards of field position vs other punters. I know they emphasize positional punting and dropping the ball inside the 20 but how many times have we seen a shank from our end when a booming kick was needed? Who is available that is any better ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 (edited) Doesn't help when the OP is looking at the wrong stats. Don't start a thread if you have no idea what you are talking about. Edited September 9, 2020 by TBBills 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessYaDigg Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 (edited) Who needs a punter when we're racking up points every game. At this point, why are you even questioning what the FO is doing? I think they've proven themselves enough that they know what they're doing. Edited September 9, 2020 by ProcessYaDigg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 They do it just to rile up the fans... 😁 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Because he has a big leg. This front office seems to value that above all else. His hang times are appalling and the amount of mistakes he makes is quite stunning. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, ColeB said: Bojorquez was at the bottom of the league last year in punt average. He was decent in 2018 with about a 45 yard average but still in the bottom half. If they’re serious about having good special teams, why do they stick with this guy? With his 40 yard average last season, he’s losing 5 to 10 yards of field position vs other punters. I know they emphasize positional punting and dropping the ball inside the 20 but how many times have we seen a shank from our end when a booming kick was needed? Part of his average could be what the coach is asking of him. Half his punts go inside the opponents 20, he's near the top of the NFL in that stat. He also forces a lot of fair catches, also near the top of the league. He does have the occasional shank, which is why they brought in competition. They like his potential. Edited September 9, 2020 by Buffalo_Stampede 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 (edited) BN on Bojorquez. Maybe not as bad as we think or maybe there is not a comprehensive measure of how well punters perform although there have been recent attempts that are attempting to do that. The first search beat the paywall although now it won't. Mark Gaughn article from February that made a case that he was effective by maxing fair catches and limiting returns. Edited September 9, 2020 by JESSEFEFFER 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianb386 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Well, you can't say they didn't look at upgrading. It seems Bojo beat out 2 other guys for the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Because he has a big leg. This front office seems to value that above all else. His hang times are appalling and the amount of mistakes he makes is quite stunning. to be fair to Bojo, I was pleasantly surprised that last year he avoided a lot of critical mistakes (like not catching snapa). Was his punting good? No. But at least he didn’t lose us any games with boneheaded plays and 19-yard shanks (yeah, the bar is that low). Bojo seems like Rasputin— he’s a survivor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 15 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: to be fair to Bojo, I was pleasantly surprised that last year he avoided a lot of critical mistakes (like not catching snapa). Was his punting good? No. But at least he didn’t lose us any games with boneheaded plays and 19-yard shanks (yeah, the bar is that low). Bojo seems like Rasputin— he’s a survivor! He had a punt blocked v. New England that was huge. Not sure if he's slow getting the ball off or if that's on protection but IIRC they've gotten him two years in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Punting is for suckers! 😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 (edited) Cant compare punting stats across teams. Half of Bojo's games are in the Buffalo wind. In contrast, several of the punters being compared to play in a domed stadium. And the blocked punt is not on Bojo but rather on NE recognizing an opportunity against a rookie ST coach (who is great BTW). Edited September 9, 2020 by IgotBILLStopay 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedbuffaloblue Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 IMO he really isn’t that bad. Could he be a bit more consistent, sure no argument there. The FO is doing a masterful job of setting this roster up for at least a ten year run at greatness which hopefully will start this season if the pandemic doesn’t spoil everything. This year they hopefully solved the place kicking part of that puzzle. They challenged Bojo with some competition during camp and he survived that challenge. I think they feel there is still untapped potential there in his strong leg. If that doesn’t materialize I’m confident they will address this position next offseason if not during this season. Tough to make a big upgrade here without signing a veteran FA which don’t come along too often or get lucky drafting a big leg out of college. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 58 minutes ago, ColeB said: Bojorquez was at the bottom of the league last year in punt average. He was decent in 2018 with about a 45 yard average but still in the bottom half. If they’re serious about having good special teams, why do they stick with this guy? With his 40 yard average last season, he’s losing 5 to 10 yards of field position vs other punters. I know they emphasize positional punting and dropping the ball inside the 20 but how many times have we seen a shank from our end when a booming kick was needed? Because we're never punting. 47 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Because he has a big leg. This front office seems to value that above all else. His hang times are appalling and the amount of mistakes he makes is quite stunning. This statement is contradictory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedbuffaloblue Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Punting is for suckers! 😉 Is that you Mr. President? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Say When... Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 39 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: He had a punt blocked v. New England that was huge. Not sure if he's slow getting the ball off or if that's on protection but IIRC they've gotten him two years in a row. i believe that was more on a formation gaffe than Bojo... https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/film-doesnt-lie-bills-showed-punt-block-confusion-earlier-season-patriots-capitalized i'm not disputing your statement entirely but in this scenario that dude was uncontested, not many punters would have gotten it off. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 He has compromising pics of McD and/or Beane. Either that or there's nobody better who's available. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 He's an average NFL punter. The net yardage stat is a function of where he was punting from. Ranking third in number of punts inside the opponents' 20 tells you all you need to know about where many of his punts were coming from. McD's strategy was to pin the other team deep in their end and use our defense to force three and outs, thereby winning the field position game... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 40 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: This statement is contradictory. It’s not, actually. A punter can kick it 75 yards with no hang time. It’s about getting both: distance and hang time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, TroutDog said: It’s not, actually. A punter can kick it 75 yards with no hang time. It’s about getting both: distance and hang time. I don't think Bojo is that bad. I think folks tend to focus on the bad kicks and forget the good ones. Like I said, I don't think we are punting that much this year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 I think there’s one word to describe why he’s still here. Potential. They have to feel close to unlocking his full potential or they would of worked harder to find a replacement. When he’s on that kid has all the tools to be a top punter in the league. Similar to what promo said above me as fans I think we lock onto the bad kicks a little more and ignore what good he does when he’s on. I don’t think he will have as long of a leash this year if he continues his ups and downs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 1 hour ago, That's No Moon said: He had a punt blocked v. New England that was huge. Not sure if he's slow getting the ball off or if that's on protection but IIRC they've gotten him two years in a row. was that last year? I thought that was the year before. He had a series of ridiculous mistakes two years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 It’s still baffling and keeps me up at night. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 54 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Because we're never punting. This statement is contradictory. Its also wrong. His hang time is his greatest asset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Looking at league wide statistics can be misleading. When you group guys punting outside with the dome punters and the guy punting in Denver, there is an advantage bias. No doubt he has messed up some punts but so do some of the other guys out there. I believe he is on a short leash and can be gone in the wink of an eye. For right now it's his job to lose and I have no doubt that Beane will release him if his performance is not what they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mabden Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 2 hours ago, ColeB said: Bojorquez was at the bottom of the league last year in punt average. He was decent in 2018 with about a 45 yard average but still in the bottom half. If they’re serious about having good special teams, why do they stick with this guy? With his 40 yard average last season, he’s losing 5 to 10 yards of field position vs other punters. I know they emphasize positional punting and dropping the ball inside the 20 but how many times have we seen a shank from our end when a booming kick was needed? They all can't be Ray Guy Career NFL statistics Punts: 1,049 Punting yards: 44,493 Average punt: 42.4 or Reggie Roby Career NFL statistics Punts: 992 Punting yards: 42,951 Punting Avg: 43.3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 They're trying to scare the offense into scoring on every possession. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardyBoy Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said: Looking at league wide statistics can be misleading. When you group guys punting outside with the dome punters and the guy punting in Denver, there is an advantage bias. No doubt he has messed up some punts but so do some of the other guys out there. I believe he is on a short leash and can be gone in the wink of an eye. For right now it's his job to lose and I have no doubt that Beane will release him if his performance is not what they want. Exactly, the Bills played basically every game in 30+ mph winds the second half of the season last year. Not only do I strongly believe that had a huge impact on Allen's deep ball accuracy stats, but unquestionably has a huge impact on punting. The punters in the games against the Bills did worse than he did (he was consistently the better punter in most games unless I'm totally misremembering). Wind doesn't impact just the ball flying through the air, but more importantly the drop of the ball from the hand to the foot...but don't take my word for it, here is apro bowl punter discussing it fairly in depth: Edited September 9, 2020 by HardyBoy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Because he has a big leg. This front office seems to value that above all else. His hang times are appalling and the amount of mistakes he makes is quite stunning. He is a clear hole on the team (if we have one). I really hope that he doesn’t make one of those mistakes at the wrong time and cost the Bills a game. They really should have brought in better competition for him. My preference was Marquette King. I also hope with the new kicker they found a new holder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 1 hour ago, That's No Moon said: He had a punt blocked v. New England that was huge. Not sure if he's slow getting the ball off or if that's on protection but IIRC they've gotten him two years in a row. It was a protection issue. They moved guys around late before the snap and the blocking got fouled up. NE actually had 2 blocked punt TDs last year. It's like the johnny hekker fake - you know its coming but somehow it still happens and works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 No fanbase cares more about punters than Bills fans. remember when Moorman was the poster boy for our franchise? Good times. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Supply and demand. The demand is high but the supply is low Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 There's a guy on a couch by the name of Shane Lechler.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 27 minutes ago, HardyBoy said: Exactly, the Bills played basically every game in 30+ mph winds the second half of the season last year. Not only do I strongly believe that had a huge impact on Allen's deep ball accuracy stats, but unquestionably has a huge impact on punting. The punters in the games against the Bills did worse than he did (he was consistently the better punter in most games unless I'm totally misremembering). Wind doesn't impact just the ball flying through the air, but more importantly the drop of the ball from the hand to the foot...but don't take my word for it, here is apro bowl punter discussing it fairly in depth: That was incredible informative. I love when players and coaches go into detail like that. Just shows how good and smart these guys really are 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 I welcome a season where we are complaining about the punter being the weak link. I remember too many seasons where Brian Moorman was the highlight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 I think we'll be fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 (edited) ...and look the OP has disappeared from the thread.. Edited September 9, 2020 by jeremy2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Tanking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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