Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) CB'S are so much a system fit. I have zero expectations though. I like adding veterans to this defense though to improve overall depth. We'll have to see if the contract is tied to him making the final roster. How much is guaranteed. Edited March 9, 2020 by Buffalo_Stampede Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 I’ll trust the coaches. If Norman can’t play anymore...he won’t. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloMatt Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Perhaps its a leverage signing knowing Poyer is expecting to get paid, or at least Poyer's wife is expecting him to get paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 I have not been a big fan of Josh Norman, especially recently, but I trust McDermott when it comes to DB's. If he says he's a fit, I'll take his word for it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: Would think there is a decent amount of money tied to active roster bonuses per game. Nice low risk signing for a guy who will finally return to the scheme he was elite in. Even though he is older now, he should be able to fill in as needed on the outside. I am a fan of this one. Indeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNYfan Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 I am going to see how this plays out. My immediate reaction is skepticism. I do not believe it will effect the draft, if they love a CB they will draft a CB in the first two days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Vontae Davis 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 I know a lot of people are joking, but I honestly like the move. Look, I don't consider him elite, but I remember the number of times that Levi Wallace got burned last year. Wallace was a great deal for a #2, and his RFA status makes him someone I want to hold onto, but our bargaining position just got better. Norman goes back to a system that he was best in, and we don't have to worry about drafting a CB to replace White or Wallace. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 fills a need if he can still play half as good as he talks....will be a good deal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TtownBillsFan Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 34 minutes ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said: It’s ok to not like a signing of a aging veteran without being labeled negative. Fan debate is part of the sport landscape. And that's what he's doing - debating your negative take on the signing, and and this player's future with the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 hour ago, ExWNYer said: Did any of you who like this watch him last year? He was awful. Well I am very glad they didnt sign him last year then. New year, new scheme, and if he cant beat out Wallace he ends up a veteran leader for one year. Not mad at this at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Seems logical. Knows the defense well, has done very well playing in the defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Binghamton Beast said: Yeah, I'm going to lean on the side of Beane and McDermott....you know, two guys that know Norman's game inside and out and how he will fit into the Bills scheme. I remember saying that about KB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 27 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Low risk move and they have the space. McD probably thinks he could return to form in his D, 1 year deal, see what happens. Type of move that doesn’t preclude other moves and could help. Minus the fact that Norman is a liability on the field. to me that is a huge risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Three things with this signing: 1. This signing does not count against the compensatory formula if we position ourselves to get any next year. 2. Despite his underwhelming years in Washington, Norman is familiar with the system and playing in said system is what led to his big payday. There will be no learning curve stepping in here and hopefully he can be as effective as he was before in Carolina. We have seen this before with Beane and McDermott, they take castoffs from other teams and they end up working out well here. 3. For everyone complaining about the signing, it was obvious whoever we played across from Tre was generally a weakness last year. Levi was getting roasted on a weekly basis, seemingly always on 3rd down, and Kevin Johnson wasn't that much better. If Norman can re-gain some of his Panthers' form the Secondary just got an upgrade. In all I don't think this rules out us re-signing a guy like Johnson if the price is right in FA. I also don't think this rules out us drafting a CB in the first two days if a guy they like falls to us at a position they feel is a good value. We'll see how our FA shakes out, but I'm starting to get the feeling they will address the defensive side of the ball in FA and use their draft capital to maneuver around to get the guys they really want. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 9 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Well I am very glad they didnt sign him last year then. New year, new scheme, and if he cant beat out Wallace he ends up a veteran leader for one year. Not mad at this at all. Josh Norman, veteran leader? Those words should never be uttered in the same sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: I know a lot of people are joking, but I honestly like the move. Look, I don't consider him elite, but I remember the number of times that Levi Wallace got burned last year. Wallace was a great deal for a #2, and his RFA status makes him someone I want to hold onto, but our bargaining position just got better. Norman goes back to a system that he was best in, and we don't have to worry about drafting a CB to replace White or Wallace. I wanted Norman. It's a what have you done for me lately league so I get the groans. Just don't have huge expectations for him. This move fits what McDermott said at the combine. Come to Buffalo where you can be the best version of yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Picking up cheap players who at one point in their career played at a high level is a proven way to win. Prior the the Patriots first Super Bowl with Brady they added 19 free agents. These included Bryan Cox, Roman Phifer, and Antoine Smith. All three guys of those guys had good seasons for New England. If Norman can't play then he will get cut or be one year and done in Buffalo. I don't see any downside to this. It should also make the draft compensation crowd happy, lol. 3 minutes ago, H2o said: Three things with this signing: 1. This signing does not count against the compensatory formula if we position ourselves to get any next year. 2. Despite his underwhelming years in Washington, Norman is familiar with the system and playing in said system is what led to his big payday. There will be no learning curve stepping in here and hopefully he can be as effective as he was before in Carolina. We have seen this before with Beane and McDermott, they take castoffs from other teams and they end up working out well here. 3. For everyone complaining about the signing, it was obvious whoever we played across from Tre was generally a weakness last year. Levi was getting roasted on a weekly basis, seemingly always on 3rd down, and Kevin Johnson wasn't that much better. If Norman can re-gain some of his Panthers' form the Secondary just got an upgrade. In all I don't think this rules out us re-signing a guy like Johnson if the price is right in FA. I also don't think this rules out us drafting a CB in the first two days if a guy they like falls to us at a position they feel is a good value. We'll see how our FA shakes out, but I'm starting to get the feeling they will address the defensive side of the ball in FA and use their draft capital to maneuver around to get the guys they really want. I think there is no way that we qualify for a compensation pick next year considering we have over 80 million in cap space. If Norman plays well then leaves, we might get a pick 2 years from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Mixed feelings. Best case he returns to form, worse case he backs up Wallace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I wanted Norman. It's a what have you done for me lately league so I get the groans. Just don't have huge expectations for him. This move fits what McDermott said at the combine. Come to Buffalo where you can be the best version of yours. It's also very keeping with the building strategy that we have seen from our current brain trust: fill basic needs with moderately priced free agents and hope they outperform (Poyer and Hyde) or at the very worst not be a liability (Kroft and Star, Vontae was the worst and even that didn't break us) while we are able to take BPA and see an immediate result. That has yielded some excellent results in the past few years, so I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, CommonCents said: I remember saying that about KB. Yeah, because Norman probably will get fat and out of shape, right? Edited March 9, 2020 by Binghamton Beast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 hour ago, ALLEN1QB said: Could be had for a lot less. Curious how you know this. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Buffalo Boy said: My first thought on what he brings: Infectious Attitude. JN is one of those strange, goofy personalities that you can’t help but like if he’s on your side. I see McBeane understanding that the window is opening for a SB run and they are going to try to get this team competitive both physically and emotionally. You mean until the penalties cost a game. He isn't exactly the most stable or team oriented player. Hopefully he just quietly improves our DB2, but chances are they grab someone else too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dje85 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 I'm cautiously optimistic about this signing. Seems like an incentive laden deal that will motivate him to play like his old self. Plus we will need corner depth. With this only a one year prove it deal, I bet we still try to resign kj or nab a corner or two later in the draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Buffalo Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Competition... if he works out great! If not, then somebody else will. You would think we would be used to McBeane's way of thinking by now. They are going to bring in players to compete and give them a chance across the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 hour ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said: Kinda like they knew Benjamin? Yeah, again, like Norman is going to get fat and out of shape....right? Good comparison!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 I think the strategy is to fill all needs in free agency and to draft the BPA in the draft. I expect we sign a RT, DE and WR next. We don’t want to go into the draft desperate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 I am not excited by this pick up but it is a one year deal for a guy who at one time was elite and maybe needs a different role to excel- less snaps but more specific job. You swing a lot as a GM and if you hit on most you are a good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 I trust McDermott and Beane. They seem to get the best out of players, so I think he'll be alright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, auburnbillsbacker said: I think there is no way that we qualify for a compensation pick next year considering we have over 80 million in cap space. If Norman plays well then leaves, we might get a pick 2 years from now. No one knows at this point how they will use their cap. A lot of it could be used to re-sign guys coming up on the end of their deals. Dawkins, Milano, Poyer, if they really want to get a deal done with Tre, no one knows. We could be losing Spain, Phillips, Shaq, Kevin Johnson, Levi (if they don't tender him), Kurt Coleman, Maurice Alexander, Julian Stanford, Frank Gore (gone), Waddle, Spencer Long, Corey Liuget, Robert Foster (if not tendered), Isaiah McKenzie, we could surely lose more than we take on. The guys likely to get the largest contracts are the first three mentioned, but they all will likely be signed somewhere. Edited March 9, 2020 by H2o 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 DOOOOMED!!!! If you suck in DC ...... man you must really suck ESPECIALLY when your former HC says See Ya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Why do some people dislike the move? Is Tre suddenly gone? No Did we trade a draft pick for Norman? No Are you writing him the check ? No Are we close to the cap? No. Low cost move with upside. A Beane special. 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 So fricken tired of fans acting like armchair gm and that peg money is THEIR money BEANE HAS EARNED the benefit of the doubt in these things lets just see? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 55 minutes ago, inaugural balls said: Or....as the great Pat Summerall would say......"that's True...................................................................................................................................................value". Nobody said ‘Amp Lee’ quite like Pat did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketmaster Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Tremendous move. He is almost the same age as Richard Sherman and has been playing for a bad organization the last few years. That can wear a player down and he might very well have a bounce back year in a CB friendly system he is familiar with. 1. Low risk and cost 2. Gives us another CB threat to pair with Tre White (there still is a mental aspect about trying to attack a CB who has been there done that and those CBs tend to getting a little more leeway with the refs - think Sherman in age and player status) 3. Provides depth as well as some insurance if White decides to hold out this year 4. It gives the team and defense a player with an edge and dog mentality. This is one thing our defense has generally lacked in as Norman like Sherman is not afraid to back down from a fight and he will not be afraid to call out teammates and hold people accountable. I think every team needs at least one player like this that has that edge, not crazy type like Antonio Brown or selfish like Beckham but a personality edge like a Sherman or Steve Smith. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 15 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said: Yeah, because Norman probably will get fat and out of shape, right? Well, he’s already read all of the WNY food threads in ‘Off the Wall’... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, DJB said: Why do some people dislike the move? Is Tre suddenly gone? No Did we trade a draft pick for Norman? No Are you writing him the check ? No Are we close to the cap? No. Low cost move with upside. A Beane special. because Norman has been bad for the better part of 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 minute ago, DJB said: Why do some people dislike the move? Is Tre suddenly gone? No Did we trade a draft pick for Norman? No Are you writing him the check ? No Are we close to the cap? No. Low cost move with upside. A Beane special. exactly. 1) might be he fits well back into old system 2) if he’s not up to it he doesn’t have to make the 53 3) maybe they are even thinking nickel or even rotational safety or Poyer hold out insurance ? In summary they signed a guy on a 1 yr deal who was elite 5 years ago and might be worth a look again in the right system. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Many posters here are exposing their knowledge or lack thereof Josh Norman is an instinctive player that has always succeeded doing just that. When he's put in a position where that is properly utilized, he will thrive. Guess what McDermott and Frazier are going to do? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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