CountDorkula Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Yes because of course picking up a former pro bowl player corner for 6 million equivocates to totally irresponsible spending on a player for 12 million i totally see the correlation air you should be outraged That pro-bowl season will be 5 seasons ago now. I've questioned whether he is worth it, regardless of contract based on the last 3-4 years of data saying he has been really really bad on the field, where it matters most. The only response i get is "How dare you question McD you idiot" and "its not your money" I have not seen a logical argument that shows otherwise other than he played zone well 5 years ago. Edited March 9, 2020 by CountDorkula Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 hour ago, BillsFan17 said: You are 100% right and we saw teams pick apart Levi at times because they wouldnt throw Tre's way. Moreover, Levi's lack of athletic ability showed up and showed his limitations. Something Norman lacks, athletic ability.... Yep, you can't hide a player on the field anywhere. Need quality at all 11 positions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 20 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: No but if im not allowed to question this Norman deal than what am i allowed to question?I need to know. Nothing. Sit down and be quiet. DCOrange has a doob burning. Take a puff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Just now, Chandler#81 said: Nothing. Sit down and be quiet. DCOrange has a doob burning. Take a puff Now you are getting somewhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Is there any chance that the contract isn’t as much as originally reported? Almost like the agent hyping the numbers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Chandler#81 said: Nothing. Sit down and be quiet. DCOrange has a doob burning. Take a puff Puff puff give. I'm next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 There's no question he struggled last year, there's also no guarantee he's playing CB. Norman is a big, physical corner who still tackles well and is solid in Zone. It's not uncommon for those guys to transition to SS/FS in their later years and we currentlyhave zero depth under contract. Norman could be a low key solid signing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 11 minutes ago, Lurker said: Yep. All the 'stable genius' types are coming out of the woodwork... I have never used the word stable lol!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Just now, JaCrispy said: Is there any chance that the contract isn’t as much as originally reported? Almost like the agent hyping the numbers? I would say that there’s a better than 50% chance that the value reported is highly inflated. Words like “base value” are meaningless. That could be $3M in non-guaranteed base salary plus $1.5M signing bonus plus $1.5M bonus for being on the final 53, plus NLTBE incentives based upon games started and performance benchmarks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 6 hours ago, ExWNYer said: Did any of you who like this watch him last year? He was awful. Should have resigned Kevin Johnson., Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Good signing, low risk high reward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 5 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said: Yeah, I'm going to lean on the side of Beane and McDermott....you know, two guys that know Norman's game inside and out and how he will fit into the Bills scheme. Sure, kind of like Kelvin Benjamin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, Lurker said: Yep. If this news is coming from the agent, the absence of any word on guarantees is very telling... Yep. I think it is going to be a VERY team friendly Contract, the point being he is not guaranteed a roster spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Just now, Spiderweb said: Should have resigned Kevin Johnson., I'm wondering if they spoke with KJ's agent and decided that he is asking for more than they are comfortable giving so they went with their 'Plan B' in Norman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Man Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 5 hours ago, snamsnoops said: Does this mean Amari Cooper isn't coming B-lo! Didn't these guys have some on field battles over the last couple years? Not that I ever though Cooper was coming here..... I'd rather a past it Josh Norman than paying Amari Cooper 20m a year to show up 1 game in 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Yep. I think it is going to be a VERY team friendly Contract, the point being he is not guaranteed a roster spot. https://buffalonews.com/2020/03/09/bills-agree-to-one-year-contract-with-veteran-cornerback-josh-norman/ "I have no doubt that Levi can go out there and earn it again, but we're not into just giving out jobs,” Beane said at the NFL Scouting Combine last month. “He knows that. He had a little offseason procedure on his shoulder. He's got to overcome that as well. So we have to protect ourselves. There can always be setbacks.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 He wasn't in a good scheme fit in Washington but also looked slow and sluggish, The scheme fit you can change but the slow and sluggish part hmmm. It's a low level signing much like Kevin Johnson was last year that could prove to be a solid pickup who both McDermott and Beane are comfortable with so I don't see the downside to this unless he quits at halftime. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Just now, ExWNYer said: I'm wondering if they spoke with KJ's agent and decided that he is asking for more than they are comfortable giving so they went with their 'Plan B' in Norman. Possibly, but Norman has played very poorly over the last couple years this is an extremely questionable signing none the less. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, CSBill said: Good signing, low risk high reward. Yup...and it also allows the Bills not to reach for the position in the draft...? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 has anyone said this yet? SUPPEERRRRR BOOOOWLLLLLLLLLLLL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Yup...and it also allows the Bills not to reach for the position in the draft...? but isn't this kind of a reach in itself? A $6 million dollar reach. I just read that no money guaranteed, so not a reach. Edited March 9, 2020 by klos63 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Spiderweb said: Possibly, but Norman has played very poorly over the last couple years this is an extremely questionable signing none the less. I also have my doubts about a 32 year old CB who has really only had one good year but they must feel that he can contribute something in their zone scheme. Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, klos63 said: but isn't this kind of a reach in itself? A $6 million dollar reach. Perhaps... but it depenfs on a few things... 1- how well his talent translates to our defense and ... 2- actual contract numbers Edited March 9, 2020 by JaCrispy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 minute ago, klos63 said: but isn't this kind of a reach in itself? A $6 million dollar reach. Making him the 31st highest paid corner in the game (assuming that the $6M is legitimately salary and not all incentives)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenosha2Buffalo Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Amazing pick up. He was the best CB in all of football under McDermott. Sometimes you just need a change of environment, huge move imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, ExWNYer said: I also have my doubts about a 32 year old CB who has really only had one good year but they must feel that he can contribute something in their zone scheme. Time will tell. Really only had one good year??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Really only had one good year??? Sorry. Should have used 'great' and not 'good'. My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 minute ago, ExWNYer said: Sorry. Should have used 'great' and not 'good'. My bad. I get that he only made AllPro one year but he was widely considered one of the top guys for a solid 3-4 year stretch. You have to remember he was going up against one of the toughest divisions in the league for a DB, you're going to give up stats playing Mike Evans/Julio Jones/Drew Brees 2x year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 9 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Making him the 31st highest paid corner in the game (assuming that the $6M is legitimately salary and not all incentives)? $6 million salary, plus up to $2mm more in incentives. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 I dont get why people on here automatically think that signing Norman is a bad signing because he isnt as good as he was. Get your mind out of the thinking that there are only two main CB's and Norman has to be one of them. He didnt sign for big money so he isnt guaranteed to be CB2. If he beats out the competition, then great. If not then he plays a role in the defense on a good defense on team that is looking to be back in the playoffs. McD can usually get a lot out of players and Norman brings a lot of experience. Win/Win. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Would rather have a seasoned vet who knows what he's doing than a rookie out there. They can still draft one and have him develop this year behind the vet CBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 minute ago, klos63 said: $6 million salary, plus up to $2mm more in incentives. It said “$6M base value”, which doesn’t indicate any measure of guaranteed money vs non, nor does it mean any amount of salary vs bonus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 hour ago, apuszczalowski said: Man, it must be nice to be in a spot where making $6mil isn't that much that your expected to be a full time contributor..... Jim Kelly signed for 5 years 8 million. Made him the highest paid NFL player at the time. Amazing we feel 6 million isn’t a lot anymore. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 I think people are missing the point about Norman. Here's what's important: McDermott had him for four years in Carolina, and McDermott knows, for an absolute certainty, that Norman processes McDermott's defense at a high level. That is, what's going on in Norman's brain is what McDermott wants in a corner back. So the only questions are whether at this point in his career he still has the heart and sufficient physical skills to execute what he's thinking. (For most other free agent CBs, McBeane don't know if the guy can process, mentally, what McD wants.) As for the heart and the physical ability. They have watched film of Norman over the past couple of years, and they can tell from the film whether his problems were that he has lost a step. They've probably talked to him a few times in the past couple of months, and they probably think from those talks that he has the heart. So from all aspects that they can evaluate off the field, they must be pretty highly confident that he can contribute at the level McD needs. If they discover at camp that he doesn't have it, they cut him. But my guess is that they're viewing this as a relatively low-risk signing that makes their defensive backfield better than it was in 2019. I agree with BillsfanAZ 8 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 5 hours ago, Bandito said: below average player this point in his career with an attitude problem. blah A lot of players in D.C. had attitude problems. Wonder why? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said: You’re a little high?? Cuz the contract isn’t. A.) Its cheap, actually. B) we have a gazillion dollar$ to spend C) he’s a Vet with knowledge of the system D.) it ain’t Your money. So yeah, you’re a little high. $6-8 million for a guy that’s been legitimately terrible for a few years now is definitely not cheap. We all know the other 3 points, one of which I literally made in the post you’re quoting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HT02 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 I'm not crazy about spending $6MM on a cb that seems to be washed up the last two years, but I'll trust McDermott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardhatharry Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Beane with the nice 1 year deal, really a win/win situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 20 minutes ago, HT02 said: I'm not crazy about spending $6MM on a cb that seems to be washed up the last two years, but I'll trust McDermott If he's really washed up they'll see in training camp and cut him with no negative impact to the team or the cap. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 hour ago, CountDorkula said: This is the dumbest argument. So if the bills sign a backup level player to 12 mil a year because "it aint my money" i have no right to question it, or be skeptical of it? Technically you can, but you shouldn’t. That’s why it’s their career while some of “us” should just watch espn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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