Buffalo716 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 9 minutes ago, MJS said: And that's pretty close to his best too. He's pretty consistently an above average receiver. Not pro bowl worthy. In 2018 he was 22nd in receiving yards. Tied for 63rd in TD's. Is that Pro Bowl material? In 2019 he was 10th in receiving yards. Tied for 24th in TD's. Is that Pro Bowl material? There are scores of guys who should be getting in over him. I think I'll talk about whatever player I want. Being a Bills fans does not mean you can only talk about Bills players. Again I don't think it's the yards for him . He has led the AFC in catches 2 or 3 times I don't think he's that great but he probably leads the AFC in catches over the last 5 seasons He had seasons with 112 and 110 catches and 94 for 1100 yards Thats prolly why he got in.. again I don't think he's great but I can see a few years why he made it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, eball said: When our own QB can't hit the broad side of a barn in a no-rush "skills challenge" I'll start worrying fo' sho! Yeah didn't Allen light up the scoreboard in a similar accuracy challenge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Again I don't think it's the yards for him . He has led the AFC in catches 2 or 3 times I don't think he's that great but he probably leads the AFC in catches over the last 5 seasons He had seasons with 112 and 110 catches and 94 for 1100 yards Thats prolly why he got in.. again I don't think he's great but I can see a few years why he made it I think he deserves probably 2 of those 5 pro bowls. But he's like a lock every year now, which I think isn't right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) The WR’s looked better throwing the football. If a GM was at his pro day and he threw like this I can easily see where a GM might guide him towards being a WR or RB. He was missing the targets by a large margin, those 4 point targets looked to be 30 yards away and were the size of one of those small trampolines. Next year he will be injured or have a down year. Edited January 24, 2020 by Call_Of_Ktulu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 2 hours ago, Buffalo Junction said: I’d be more concerned about Roman’s passing game construction. The run schemes are brilliant, but that’s where his genius goes.... The passing concepts are very average which likely doesn’t help Jackson at all. Roman and Jackson will have to adjust. So while I agree Roman is a genius run game coordinator and not as good at designing a passing game he did change his traditional passing scheme to suit Jackson's strengths. With both Kap and Tyrod Roman's passing game mainly relied on safer throws to the outside and deep shots down the sideline. Both in San Fran and then here fans consistently moaned about them not using the middle of the field enough. In Baltimore this year passing over the middle (where Jackson was always more developed - even in college) has been a staple of the scheme because that is what his Quarterback does well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: The WR’s looked better throwing the football. If a GM was at his pro day and he threw like this I can easily see where a GM might guide him towards being a WR or RB. He was missing the targets by a large margin, those 4 point targets looked to be 30 yards away and were the size of one of those small trampolines. Next year he will be injured or have a down year. I seem to remember Jackson looking pretty bad at his pro day as well. He had a great season and deserves kudos, but I can see why there are those that question his abilities going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) The skills competition is more interesting than the actual game. Make the Pro Bowl a flag football game and bring back some legends to play alongside the current all-stars. Marino and Kelly used to have their own game between their own squads of retired guys for charity. Montana, Favre, Peyton Manning, Marino, even guys like Boomer could probably still play a flag football game. Probably couldn't do legends vs current guys, but you could make the legends QB captains and they pick teams and play part of the game. I'll bet Deion Sanders could still play. It would be 100X more interesting. Edited January 24, 2020 by TheFunPolice 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 41 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: So while I agree Roman is a genius run game coordinator and not as good at designing a passing game he did change his traditional passing scheme to suit Jackson's strengths. With both Kap and Tyrod Roman's passing game mainly relied on safer throws to the outside and deep shots down the sideline. Both in San Fran and then here fans consistently moaned about them not using the middle of the field enough. In Baltimore this year passing over the middle (where Jackson was always more developed - even in college) has been a staple of the scheme because that is what his Quarterback does well. I’m not sure how much of that is Roman though. He’s by no means daft, but Culley is their passing game coordinator and was hired to help redesign the passing schemes. “When Mornhinweg declined an offer to stay on staff, the Ravens wanted to hire an experienced coach with expertise in the passing game to help build an offense around 22-year-old quarterback Lamar Jackson.” As much as Culley wasn’t the best QB coach here he certainly has a massive knowledge base when it comes to route concepts, etc. Particularly from spending so much time under Andy Reid. Still, the Ravens had issues with WRs getting free when Jackson didn’t pressure the LoS. That said, the offense is capable of evolving. Harbough has created an environment where the whole offense is a collaborative effort. I’m just not certain how far the changes will go, if they’ll lose critical staff before reaching its potential, or if Jackson will improve his outside passing. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pennlive.com/baltimore-ravens/2019/01/baltimore-ravens-hire-david-culley-as-passing-game-coordinatorwide-receivers-coach.html%3foutputType=amp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Interesting. Cousins was extremely accurate as was Wilson. Desean mediocre the WRs even worse but they are WRs. then Lamar. will be interesting to see Josh if he ever makes it to this game 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 ....could very well be the next RG II 5/8 or Kaep, both who hit the limelight hard, but were eventually figured out by opposing DC's....think the Watson kid has skill set to become better balanced.....Wilson is just....Wilson......guy has honed his skills and craft exponentially...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 6 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: People want to be right about him so bad! I just don’t get it, either. He’s one of the most fun players to watch in history. Not sure why we all just can’t enjoy it while we can. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 I think the league figures him out next year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 2 hours ago, K-9 said: I just don’t get it, either. He’s one of the most fun players to watch in history. Not sure why we all just can’t enjoy it while we can. As long as he’s not the barrier to us getting to the Promised Land, I’ll enjoy watching him. It’s different and fun to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 9 hours ago, Troll Toll said: A few weeks ago I recall getting flamed for saying he’s not an accurate passer. You should have been flamed for even saying him a passer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: No one. Some have questioned if Mahomes would be "as good" if he had been plopped in with the Bills offense last season instead of handed the keys to an established offensive system loaded with talent on OL and at skill positions that was #5 in the league the previous year. In this polarized world, that is seen as saying "Mahomes isn't good", because saying he wouldn't have had the same MVP season and looked all-world here with our surrounding cast is Just That Same Thing. I think Harbaugh said "we're gonna talk to the guy and conduct our own assessment of his Football intelligence, you raise your eyebrows all you want, we don't care" Mahomes could have had a MUCH less productive 2018 and STILL looked "all-world"............so don't pat yourself on the back too much for being a voice of reason. It's a league where there is a guy in the NFC throwing at a 74% completion rate over the last 3 years and still Mahomes is in a class by himself in terms of impact on a team and ability to bring a team back from a deficit etc.. For all the talk about what Mahomes wouldn't have done here............there is only one QB in the NFL who could have taken that flawed Chiefs team to a Super Bowl. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 8 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said: When he was here in Buffalo all i could think watching him was "phenomenal athlete, ok passer." I saw passes behind, high, low all over the place. He will be a good starter for years and I have no doubt he belongs in this league. But he is and likely never will be a precision passer. It will be interesting to see how he responds next year to teams taking away the middle of the field and his running lanes. Can he start hitting of outside passes consistently? could age into a Russell Wilson, or a Colin kaepernick just as easily. There was a time when CK was the potential mvp game changer. Its hard to learn to pass though and hard to be the long term answer until you can. The arm is what overcomes the talent drop around you when that big pay day comes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 6 hours ago, Bermuda Triangle said: I know you're being sarcastic, but it seems that many here think and post that way. Rather pathetic, IMO. And the opposite is the same here too. Only be critical of all other QBs, Josh a Cannot be criticized cause he is a Golden God of QBs and it's everyone else fault...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 4 hours ago, MJS said: I seem to remember Jackson looking pretty bad at his pro day as well. He had a great season and deserves kudos, but I can see why there are those that question his abilities going forward. They schemes around what he was poor at. Passing to wide receivers on the outside and also wide outs who were not ‘open’. I have asked this before and still have not received an answer from anyone. Did Lamar audible at the LOS? I don’t recall seeing it against the Bills or the other games I watched him play in, Pats, Tenn, or SF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 9 hours ago, CLTbills said: He was never an accurate passer. His legs allowed him to beat you with his arm, but it wasn't through pin-point, precision throws. It was moving the pocket and extending plays I have seen him thread some passes between defenders on the move, but I do think that stacking the box and playing man is the defensive model that gives a team the best chance to shut them down. Not everyone can shut down their running game even with 8 in the box, or has the kind of defensive backfield that can play man, or the abilility to match up with their TEs when they release. If they can it does force him to have to throw more often into smaller windows where dbs and safeties are not pealing back to defend the run and gives teams a better chance of getting him on the ground. I am not a fan of labeling these young QBs "gimmicks" quite yet; although I admit if Lamar was forced to operate out of the pocket (if he got dinged during a season and could not run or cut as he does) he would be far far less effective as a QB in the system Baltimore has built to take advantage of those skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 9 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: People want to be right about him so bad! Sound familiar? Kind of like you and the rest of the anti-Allen click. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 Like this drill means anything. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 Who the heck cares. NFL MVP this season. Hes laughing at you. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 10 hours ago, ChevyVanMiller said: Man, that's brutal. It will be interesting to see next year when teams follow the Buffalo/Tennessee model and stack the box and make him try to beat you with throws outside. Don't you think that every DC said the same thing every week in getting ready for Baltimore? Talent comes into play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 9 hours ago, MJS said: Josh Allen has a big arm and can make all the throws. Lamar Jackson can't. So Josh Allen’s new nickname should be Sex Panther. 58.8% of the time he make the throw every time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 Not saying he won't be a good QB, but this year will without a doubt end up being the best year of his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: No one. Some have questioned if Mahomes would be "as good" if he had been plopped in with the Bills offense last season instead of handed the keys to an established offensive system loaded with talent on OL and at skill positions that was #5 in the league the previous year. In this polarized world, that is seen as saying "Mahomes isn't good", because saying he wouldn't have had the same MVP season and looked all-world here with our surrounding cast is Just That Same Thing. Mahomes’s first ever game was on the road against the Broncos. He went 22/35 for 284 yards in 3 quarters. That’s more than any game in Allen’s career. Here are all the players who caught passes. Albert Wilson Demetrius Harris Demarcus Robinson Anthony Sherman Jehu Chesson Akeem Hunt (not to be confused with Kareem Hunt) He wouldn’t have thrown 50 TDs, but he would have still had an MVP caliber season with the Bills receivers. Edited January 25, 2020 by Billl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 1 hour ago, apuszczalowski said: And the opposite is the same here too. Only be critical of all other QBs, Josh a Cannot be criticized cause he is a Golden God of QBs and it's everyone else fault...... Yeah, no. Find a single example of this. Did you find it odd that Allen was even brought up in a thread about Jackson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 1 hour ago, bobobonators said: Who the heck cares. NFL MVP this season. Hes laughing at you. Yet he can’t win a playoff game. He’s probably crying not laughing. M V P !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 11 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Yet, one was the MVP after winning a Heisman. I had them ranked the same coming out in the draft. But some of you love to pounce on Lamar and then blame everyone else but Allen for his shortcomings. Of course this is the same board that questions how good Mahomes is too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 6 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....could very well be the next RG II 5/8 or Kaep, both who hit the limelight hard, but were eventually figured out by opposing DC's....think the Watson kid has skill set to become better balanced.....Wilson is just....Wilson......guy has honed his skills and craft exponentially...... Yep. So tired of narrative that kneeling knocked Kaep out of the game. no.... he was kneeling as the back up to Blaine Gabbert!!! Digest THAT! but... Lamar is his own man. Let’s see what he does during the off season to get better 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 5 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Mahomes could have had a MUCH less productive 2018 and STILL looked "all-world"............so don't pat yourself on the back too much for being a voice of reason. It's a league where there is a guy in the NFC throwing at a 74% completion rate over the last 3 years and still Mahomes is in a class by himself in terms of impact on a team and ability to bring a team back from a deficit etc.. For all the talk about what Mahomes wouldn't have done here............there is only one QB in the NFL who could have taken that flawed Chiefs team to a Super Bowl. I guess this is an improvement for you on responding to disagreement (with reasoning laid out and data to back it) "It was an absurd take which you are just advancing out of spite", to which I give props as one of the most peculiar and egocentric responses I've seen on this board. We cherish our small steps of progress. Mahomes is a great QB. He also, as has been pointed out, came into an ideal development situation with an offensive system that was clicking along well enough to notch 10,11,12 wins and see playoffs every year. He got to sit and learn for a season. He got a proven top offensive mind as his coach and a OL, quality WR and TE who all knew the system. Given what Reid did with Alex Smith, I personally wouldn't want to bet that Mahomes is the only QB in the NFL that could take that team to the Superbowl. I happen to think that if Mahomes had started his rookie year, given everything that was said about his footwork etc. - behind a crap OL with no run game and throwing to crap WR, he would not have looked "all world". Since no one gets a "do over" on that, we'll have to stop at "we disagree". I pat myself on the back quite regularly. My physical therapist recommends it as a means to rehab my shoulder. She'd like me to do it more than I do. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 14 hours ago, CLTbills said: He was never an accurate passer. His legs allowed him to beat you with his arm, but it wasn't through pin-point, precision throws. It was moving the pocket and extending plays This, IMO is a bad take on Jackson. He had a set of throws he could stand in the pocket and make accurately and consistently in college, and he improved a lot this off season - more than Allen did by some metrics. He has a set of throws he couldn't make in college and still can't make. He may well improve on them this off season. I don't see why he can't - we have seen both him and Allen improve their passing abilities, and I hope for more from Allen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 Fun thread to read. I suppose it’s reflexive for some of you to cap on guys like Jackson and Mahomes so you feel better about Allen. Fine by me, everyone has their own coping mechanisms. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 3 hours ago, Billl said: Mahomes’s first ever game was on the road against the Broncos. He went 22/35 for 284 yards in 3 quarters. That’s more than any game in Allen’s career. Here are all the players who caught passes. Albert Wilson Demetrius Harris Demarcus Robinson Anthony Sherman Jehu Chesson Akeem Hunt (not to be confused with Kareem Hunt) He wouldn’t have thrown 50 TDs, but he would have still had an MVP caliber season with the Bills receivers. This last is a contention that will never be verified, because we don't get a do-over. I doubt it; he would still have had to deal with the Bills OL, run game, and coaches. You can disagree, that's fine. Let's bring in some other facts. You're talking about the final game of Mahomes rookie season, after he'd had a chance to sit behind Alex Smith and learn all season long. Mahomes got the backup WR because the Chiefs had already made the playoffs and the game didn't count. He got most of the then-starting OL including the OTs because they didn't want their boy kilt. Here's the box score from the game you mentioned. The passing is all Mahomes - he played 4Q, not 3Q. Let's compare to the final game of Allen's rookie season. Denver was a 5-11 team with a bottom-3rd defense that year. Miami was a 7-9 team with a bottom-3rd defense last year. Now you can hang your hat on an extra 10 passing attempts for an extra 54 yds, 0 TD, and 1 INT being "more than Allen has ever done" if you want to. It would, in fact, be 9 net yards more than Allen passed for in his highest yardage game this season. But one can certainly point out other differences in the offense generated in the game, like TDs and stuff. Certainly with the KC starters the following season, Mahomes was transcendent, but I don't think 50 extra passing yards O TD and a pick is a great argument for how transcendent he'd have been with the Bills 2018 WR. Demarcus Robinson is still playing for the Chiefs and put up 450 yds this year. Albert Wilson put up 391 yds for the Phins last year and 351 this year, which is about 2x Zay Jones. And Demetrius Harris is still in the league, which is more than Fat Kelvin can say. 14 hours ago, Troll Toll said: A few weeks ago I recall getting flamed for saying he’s not an accurate passer. I mean, Man! That skills competition was a joke. The NHL All-Star skills competition is taking place this week in St Louis and at least what they're doing resembles actual hockey skills. The NFL should blush for that stuff, it really should. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 13 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: Lamar has already produced more in the past two seasons then I thought he could. I was wrong and next year he probably becomes more average but he is a good QB who can hide his deficiency with supreme athleticism. Or, Lamar leveled up his passing game and really improved between last season and this season. He might improve more and eliminate some of his deficiencies. That is what Harbaugh says about him - "he's the kind of a player, whatever you ask him to work on, he'll improve it". Very similar expression of confidence to what we hear about our QB from Beane: "I don't believe there's a hurdle Josh Allen can't get over". I hope that's justified, so I don't know why I'd disbelieve it's possible for Jackson. 34 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: Fun thread to read. I suppose it’s reflexive for some of you to cap on guys like Jackson and Mahomes so you feel better about Allen. Fine by me, everyone has their own coping mechanisms. I truthfully don't understand the Jackson dissing hobby, I truly don't. I loved him in college and would have liked the Bills to want him, but they made it clear (and still make it clear) they want a pocket passer and would not have tailored the offense to him as the Ravens did, so I don't believe he'd have been as successful here. I don't intend to be crapping on Mahomes either, but I do think it's nuts to believe he would look as good if we'd thrown him into the fire his rookie year behind our OL and with our WR. His talent would still be obvious, but it would just be coming towards fruition. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Very similar expression of confidence to what we hear about our QB from Beane: "I don't believe there's a hurdle Josh Allen can't get over". I hope that's justified, so I don't know why I'd disbelieve it's possible for Jackson. I'll give you one reason why -- intelligence. I don't care how great of an athlete Lamar Jackson is, if he doesn't have it upstairs he's always going to be limited. The guy had a terrible Wonderlic and I don't think it's a stretch to say he is a little intellectually challenged. Becoming a better passer is about more than mechanics and practice. Will he ever be able to run a complex offense or read defenses effectively? Hey, I give Harbaugh and Roman credit -- they went all-in and designed an offense to minimize his weaknesses. What happens when Roman moves on? What happens next season when everyone is using the Buffalo/Tennessee blueprint? I'm not "bashing" Lamar, I'm just calling it like I see it. In contrast to Josh Allen, Lamar has been playing quarterback for a long time at a high level. He played in the ACC for a program that was in the running for conference championships. Call me crazy but I don't think he's going to suddenly develop into a productive pocket passer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 (edited) 21 hours ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: Is 2 points good or bad? asking for a friend I think a JUGS machine set to "random" can score 2 points. So only Pro Bowl QBs were part of this? I'm guessing Josh Allen wasn't. Edited January 25, 2020 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 21 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: People want to be right about him so bad! Most ironic post award? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 20 hours ago, KD in CA said: On both sides of the argument... It’s not an argument, or it least it shouldn’t be one. He has been objectively great since entering the league and had one of the most efficient seasons ever for a qb this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, eball said: I'll give you one reason why -- intelligence. I don't care how great of an athlete Lamar Jackson is, if he doesn't have it upstairs he's always going to be limited. The guy had a terrible Wonderlic and I don't think it's a stretch to say he is a little intellectually challenged. Becoming a better passer is about more than mechanics and practice. Will he ever be able to run a complex offense or read defenses effectively? Hey, I give Harbaugh and Roman credit -- they went all-in and designed an offense to minimize his weaknesses. What happens when Roman moves on? What happens next season when everyone is using the Buffalo/Tennessee blueprint? I'm not "bashing" Lamar, I'm just calling it like I see it. In contrast to Josh Allen, Lamar has been playing quarterback for a long time at a high level. He played in the ACC for a program that was in the running for conference championships. Call me crazy but I don't think he's going to suddenly develop into a productive pocket passer. Nailed it. Does Jackson change the plays ever himself at the LOS? I can’t recall seeing it in the 4-5 games I watched of his this year. Wish we had Baltimore fans on here like we have Pats fans. Edited January 25, 2020 by atlbillsfan1975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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