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Lamar Jackson scores 2 points in the Precision Passing Pro-Bowl Skills Competition.

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20 minutes ago, Fingon said:

 

Man, that's brutal. It will be interesting to see next year when teams follow the Buffalo/Tennessee model and stack the box and make him try to beat you with throws outside. 

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He was never an accurate passer. His legs allowed him to beat you with his arm, but it wasn't through pin-point, precision throws. It was moving the pocket and extending plays

 

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Just now, Troll Toll said:

A few weeks ago I recall getting flamed for saying he’s not an accurate passer.

People here argued with me when I said the same thing.  He’s not a consistently accurate passer.  He puts pressure on the defense with his rushing and extends plays so long that easier throws develop.  And he also hits tough passes sometimes, just inconsistently. 

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That was pretty bad, I’m hoping he did that on purpose but I doubt it. Defenses will adapt, he might still make the playoffs but passing like that will not carry You through the playoff to a super bowl. 

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Silly competition which doesn’t show much. Lamar will most likely say he was having fun and didn’t really care. 
The narrative of Lamar isn’t his physical talent, it is his emotional and intellectual intelligence. 
I hope Lamar can prove me wrong, but I don’t think he can improve on what he did last year. While I do believe defensive coordinators will be able to draw up plans to stop him. The NFL is a league of constant adjustments. 

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And then they had Jarvis Landry do it. Why the heck is he competing in the passing portion? He sucked too (obviously), but at least he scored more than Jackson.

 

I heard that Jarvis has been to 5 straight pro bowls. What!? No way he deserves that.

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21 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

People want to be right about him so bad!


he’s so good in the playoffs.    
 

how much should we give up for Andy Dalton 2.0 ? 

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29 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Silly competition which doesn’t show much. Lamar will most likely say he was having fun and didn’t really care. 
The narrative of Lamar isn’t his physical talent, it is his emotional and intellectual intelligence. 
I hope Lamar can prove me wrong, but I don’t think he can improve on what he did last year. While I do believe defensive coordinators will be able to draw up plans to stop him. The NFL is a league of constant adjustments. 

 

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His outside the numbers velocity and accuracy isn't very good.  He also tends to miss high... but they have 2 huge TEs with great hands so it works - just attack the middle, and the boundary throws should be easy.  The rest of the offense is mostly verticals off of play action. Kaepernick had a great arm but he couldn't get the feel and timing down.  He wasn't the same type of athlete as LJ either.  

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This is why people werent sure about him coming into the draft.  He has a seriously hard time throwing outside the hashes.   Baltimore's scheme was incredible this year.   They had people so scared of the run that everyone sucked on the play action fakes, and Lamar had easy throws to tight ends down the middle of the field.   Going to have to throw to wideouts if he wants long term success.   Better hope Roman sticks around as well.

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When he was here in Buffalo all i could think watching him was "phenomenal athlete, ok passer."

 

I saw passes behind, high, low all over the place. He will be a good starter for years and I have no doubt he belongs in this league. But he is and likely never will be a precision passer. It will be interesting to see how he responds next year to teams taking away the middle of the field and his running lanes. Can he start hitting of outside passes consistently?

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2 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

This is why people werent sure about him coming into the draft.  He has a seriously hard time throwing outside the hashes.   Baltimore's scheme was incredible this year.   They had people so scared of the run that everyone sucked on the play action fakes, and Lamar had easy throws to tight ends down the middle of the field.   Going to have to throw to wideouts if he wants long term success.   Better hope Roman sticks around as well.

Yep, which is why things will get more difficult for him. Receivers and TE's were schemed open for him. Defenses are going to figure that out and force him to play QB. He better hope he improves as a passer or continues to dominate running the ball.

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So to recap.  The league MVP isn’t good enough anymore because of a pro bowl activity?  Good stuff.  

17 minutes ago, MJS said:

Yep, which is why things will get more difficult for him. Receivers and TE's were schemed open for him. Defenses are going to figure that out and force him to play QB. He better hope he improves as a passer or continues to dominate running the ball.

Isn’t that the case with our own qb?

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17 minutes ago, MJS said:

Yep, which is why things will get more difficult for him. Receivers and TE's were schemed open for him. Defenses are going to figure that out and force him to play QB. He better hope he improves as a passer or continues to dominate running the ball.

Everything is a RPO until he crosses the LoS. I don’t see him doing well playing with an injury that hinders his mobility either. 

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1 hour ago, ChevyVanMiller said:

Man, that's brutal. It will be interesting to see next year when teams follow the Buffalo/Tennessee model and stack the box and make him try to beat you with throws outside. 

Well he certainly didn’t play good in the playoff game, he had 500 total yards and Baltimore was in Tennessee’s territory 9 times I believe.   It’s not like they were shutting him down.  

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55 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

People want to be right about him so bad!


On both sides of the argument...

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2 minutes ago, KD in CA said:


On both sides of the argument...

Agreed like on every issue in life.  I would say that a guy winning a mvp after winning a Heisman seems to suggest that maybe he is good but it’s still early.  
 

as someone who has had doubts about Allen, If he was the MVP this year, I’d be Punching myself in the face for dismissing it because of a pro bowl challenge. But what do I know.  

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I saw part of that and thought "man, what a Goofball thing".  How has it come to this that an NFL Skills Competition at the Probowl bears more resemblance to a whacky version of "Wipeout"? 

 

I thought it was embarrassing - for the NFL and the network!

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