Bing Bong Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 15 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Dave Njoku or Kroft/Croom Njoku's really the talent on the Browns everybody is overlooking. He's going to be very good. And Baker has shown he likes throwing the TE routes. There's not many elite TE's in the league that are capable of the production Njoku can develop into and that creates matchup nightmares.. next to already elite pass catchers as well. It'll be a pick your poison passing offense. Those saying the egos make the Browns boom or bust.. I don't get it. They can already do without a few of their new acquisitions if they need to.. and they're much better with them. And how many times do we say this about teams. It just takes strong coaching and leadership.. the Rams stacked the deck with questionable character players. Teams make this play all the time and it pays off just as often as it doesn't. Can't see them getting worse with the acquisitions but they can obviously be much better if coached right. OBJ flaming out won't make competitors on the team play worse. They're success just depends on if everybody on the team wants to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Probably because of their dirt/poop/tangerine color scheme. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 It feels like the Browns are collecting talent while the Bills are building a team. It will be interesting to see how the two approaches play out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 I’d certainly like to see the Browns do well but the 2011 Eagles come to mind. A team stacked with talent but never really fired on all cylinders until too late Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 3 hours ago, BarleyNY said: That isn’t true. They were saving for this, but they actually kept their active spending and cash spending up in recent years. It was a function of horrible drafting and losing. They did not have many second contracts to give out and they had to overpay dearly for free agents. What looked like a massive amount of cap space was due to carryover from many seasons. The Bills looked to have similar cap space this season, but the reality was very different. The Bills has very little carryover. Their space was a function of having had spent up to the cap recently and, after cutting ties with many players and taking a lot of dead money last season, having relatively little cap space dedicated to contracts. It’s the difference between having $60M in the bank and being set to spend $60M less than your budget annually. IIRC in 2017 the Browns played EVERY one of their draft picks in lieu of chasing Free agents and ended up with ZERO wins. They got what they planned for . Suckitude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said: IIRC in 2017 the Browns played EVERY one of their draft picks in lieu of chasing Free agents and ended up with ZERO wins. They got what they planned for . Suckitude https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/cap/2017/ I’m sure they did plan to tank, but their cap number that season was less than $10M under the allocated cap (see link above). They carried over $50M into the 2017 season though so their available cap space looked really good - almost $60M. They also had a ton of dead cap due to cutting ties with a bunch of draft busts and underperforming FAs - and buying a pick with the Osweiler trade. And that last one shows you how desperate (and not cheap) they were. They bought a second round pick by eating Osweiler’s guaranteed salary. Now scroll back back through all of the years on Spotrac and look at the NFL salary cap amounts and the total cap expenditures for the Browns. In only two seasons are their cap expenditures more than $10M below the NFL Cap - 2011 and 2015. In some of the other season they were at or over the NFL Cap for the season. I noted this when other Browns fans saw their available cap space and accused them of not trying and trying to make money. No. It was worse than that. They were spending. That was their trying. So yeah, leading up to 2017 they ate a ton of dead money and tanked. They got their QB and have money to spend again and they’re doing it. They amassed a lot of picks and drafted extremely well. That’s been huge. And now maybe they do well. What was wrong with that plan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasovon Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 7 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: The Browns are cheap. the only cap issue they have is meeting the cap spending minimum. Sure right now. But once Garett and baker etc. Want new deals they will be in Trouble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 How on earth is Haslam supposed to mess this up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Has everyone gone insane? Free agency is like a day old, the draft hasn't even started yet and the superbowl was like a month ago. Some people are seriously ranking teams? WTF is going on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 The Browns are a sexy pick because: 1.) They seem to have added talent to a team that last year was on the rise. They might be legit good. 2.) They have added a lot of the 'big name' players. They are putting together the type of team that most causual fantasy football players would want. Once again, it may not work, or it very well may work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 6 hours ago, Rc2catch said: Ok? What’s your point? That you have biased opinions on QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 36 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: That you have biased opinions on QBs. Not sure what’s biased. It’s not like I’m some big Allen homer claiming he’s the next big thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 This is funny ?. Cowherd successfully baited Mayfield to waste time tweeting at him again too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 You guys need a hobby. Really bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 1 minute ago, nedboy7 said: You guys need a hobby. Really bad. Pot calling the kettle black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Bills, Jets, Dolphins, and Browns are most dependent on the progress of their young QBs. Browns probably have the best defense and on paper the best collection of offensive skill players. I think OBJ is overrated but I think the Browns pass rush is going to get even better. It's all about Mayfield though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Baker had one of the best rookie seasons in a long time. The team won 7 games and a tie, the team acquired a big name player in Odell (as well as Hunt) and some defensive talent of note (Vernon, Richardson, and Greedy.) Overall I think it is understandable to think a QB who had success as a rookie will have more success with greater skill position players around him and the defense which was decent in 2018 could be improved given the talent acquisitions. The Jets acquired some sexy players but they had a horrid record and their roster has more questions. The Bills acquisitions were more wide spread but less top heavy and the national media doesn't pay attention to the Bills much let along a Bills team coming off of 6 wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Bills, Jets, Dolphins, and Browns are most dependent on the progress of their young QBs. Browns probably have the best defense and on paper the best collection of offensive skill players. I think OBJ is overrated but I think the Browns pass rush is going to get even better. It's all about Mayfield though. Their defense has some talent, but it’s a giant question mark to me with the new scheme. It was bad overall with Gregg, but got a ton of turnovers which made it look better. They should have a good Pass rush but they really need to get better vs the run. Steve Wilkes is the DC so the scheme should be similar to what the Bills run. I’m interested to see those players in that scheme. Gregg had some questionable strategies. I think it should be more solid/consistent on a week to week basis. 4 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: Baker had one of the best rookie seasons in a long time. The team won 7 games and a tie, the team acquired a big name player in Odell (as well as Hunt) and some defensive talent of note (Vernon, Richardson, and Greedy.) Overall I think it is understandable to think a QB who had success as a rookie will have more success with greater skill position players around him and the defense which was decent in 2018 could be improved given the talent acquisitions. The Jets acquired some sexy players but they had a horrid record and their roster has more questions. The Bills acquisitions were more wide spread but less top heavy and the national media doesn't pay attention to the Bills much let along a Bills team coming off of 6 wins. I feel like the Bills have been getting a TON of love nationally, actually! Edited May 17, 2019 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 On 3/15/2019 at 2:48 PM, Augie said: How on earth is Haslam supposed to mess this up? ...and how the hell could Augie UNDERESTIMATE "Rebate Jimmy"?.....plenty of talent and egos for a greenhorn HC to try and control...stay tuned....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 (edited) On 3/14/2019 at 8:03 PM, The Red King said: Again, this isn't about whether or not Cleveland could be good. It's about the media already putting them on par with NE and KC with nothing being proven. Yes, they have a roster that could go to the big game, no doubt. Don't think I'm quite ready to say with certainty already that they're as good as NE and KC. Not without seeing a bit of the product on the field. Yeah well I’m pretty sure everybody understands that the question is being asked without yet seeing the product on the field. Is it really a stretch to ask, after NE and KC, who might be the next best team in the AFC....and that that team certainly could be the Browns at this point? Who else would it be? Steelers are falling out. Chargers are a culture of chokers. Texans? Indy? Edited May 17, 2019 by Mr. WEO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 On 3/14/2019 at 6:49 PM, CaptnCoke11 said: There’s a separate forum for non Bills news there is? Huh. (no) On 3/14/2019 at 6:50 PM, The Red King said: Thanks for that helpful tidbit, except this post is questioning why the Browns are given a free pass while the Bills have to prove themselves, so it is Bills' relevant. ? No such place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 (edited) The Browns are being pumped up because their roster is incredible. They have great lines, a shut down corner, one the best play makers in the league, and a young QB who looks like a perennial all pro. I’d put them below NE and KC but they’re definitely in that next tier IMO. Edited May 17, 2019 by VW82 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 They are a very talented team with a good young QB. What's not to like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nester Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 If you cant see why the browns look amazing on paper this year, you don't know football. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Yeah well I’m pretty sure everybody understands that the question is being asked without yet seeing the product on the field. Is it really a stretch to ask, after NE and KC, who might be the next best team in the AFC....and that that team certainly could be the Browns at this point? Who else would it be? Steelers are falling out. Chargers are a culture of chokers. Texans? Indy? I would say Indy. If their defensive acquisitions along with Parris Campbell work out, they could actually overtake KC or NE. The Browns are definitely in the conversation. If Josh Allen makes a quantum leap, the Bills could be in that 2nd tier as well. Edited May 17, 2019 by LSHMEAB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 On 3/14/2019 at 7:47 PM, The Red King said: Following free agency, I hopped over to nfl.com and saw an article on whether or not the Patriots were still the favorites. Poking through the comments though, I saw no mention of the improvements the Bills and Jets have made, most noting the AFC East will be a cakewalk for the Pats. Okay, I get it, improvements on paper are one thing, but you gotta show improvement on the field. At the same time, one analyst mentions the Chiefs and Browns as competition. And the official website poll asks which team is the best in the AFC. The options are the Pats, the Chiefs, and the...Browns? ? Not the Chargers, not the Steelers, not the Ravens...the Browns. Yes, the Browns have improved since last year, but they went 7-8-1, a losing record. How do they get included in "best of the AFC" discussions without having to prove anything? Last year was no different, despite going 0-16, some people were picking them to make and even go deep in the playoffs! I guess I'm just wondering why teams like the Bills and Jets have to prove themselves and the Browns, who have been categorically/historically worse then them get a free pass and become the sexy favorite? It's the same reason the Redskins were the media darlings years ago when they signed a bunch of big name free agents. It didn't work out as planned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 34 minutes ago, Nester said: If you cant see why the browns look amazing on paper this year, you don't know football. It's less not knowing football and much more simple homerism that refuses to acknowledge that any team except the Bills can turn around long-term crappiness. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 I’ll wait and see on this one. It’s typical of the fans and media to cream over a NEW ”toy” team because they all want a fresh face, even though the fresh face has a disastrous recent history with nothing to suggest that they will make this quantum leap. Telling us the Browns are a step below last seasons AFC Championship game participants is just laughable right now. Let the Browns prove something first before we anoint them anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 It’s fun and perfectly reasonable to speculate upon which teams will contend next year. Such speculation would logically center around teams who made “splashy” acquisitions in the offseason or who finished the previous year on a high note. It’s not at all surprising to see Cleveland at the top of that list. What is mildly surprising to me is the lack of consideration given to how Buffalo finished the 2018 season, combined with all of their offseason acquisitions. Gil Brandt is the first national media member I’ve seen call the Bills a playoff team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 The Browns are no better then the Bills. The Browns will screw it all up, never fails Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 On 3/14/2019 at 6:50 PM, The Red King said: ...wish I was making it up. Thanks for that helpful tidbit, except this post is questioning why the Browns are given a free pass while the Bills have to prove themselves, so it is Bills' relevant. ? Free pass to what. Stop worrying about the media, they don’t play the games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 (edited) On 3/14/2019 at 7:54 PM, Kirby Jackson said: Isn’t it obvious why people are expecting them to be good? They have the most talented roster in the AFC. Maybe they don’t get there this year but they are loaded. After two decades of top 5 talent (due to drafting top 5) masked by horrid coaching and management they’re due ? Edited May 18, 2019 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eanyills Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 On 3/14/2019 at 9:40 PM, Chill said: The Browns are last years Vikings... they’ll never be good, regardless of talent. If anything, they’re more like the Rams. Supplement a a group of promising young players with impact players with red flags. This shouldn’t be shocking to anyone. NE, KC, and Pittsburgh aren’t going to rule the AFC forever and the changing of the guard has already begun. I expect the Browns to take over Pittsburgh’s perennial AFC North spot. That almost seems like a given (which would make them, one of the best 4 teams in the AFC). The question for all of us is, who is going to take the AFC East from the Pats? Or are we just going to let them run with it forever... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 On 3/14/2019 at 7:54 PM, The Red King said: Yeah, but best in the entire AFC? If they win that division they're arguably one of 3 in the discussion. I'm not sure what your problem is with this? Rivers has constantly struggled in the playoffs since LT left. 1 hour ago, HOUSE said: The Browns are no better then the Bills. The Browns will screw it all up, never fails If we were Pitsburgh or the Ravens I'd agree. This franchise and its fans have no right to look down anyone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted May 18, 2019 Author Share Posted May 18, 2019 Alright, since some are still missing the point, lemmie try again... I am not saying the Browns can't be a better team. I'm not saying they can't possibly end up as good as the Pats or Chargers. Not saying that at all. My problem is, they went 7-8-1 last season, a losing record. They made some changes that make them look good on paper alone. Yet, despite all that, people are already willing to put them on par with the Pats and Chargers before a single snap is played. That's where I take issue. The potential is there, yes, but maybe wait and see how all the parts actually work together for a game or two before crowning them best of the AFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 (edited) The Browns are a sexy pick because it gives sports reporters an excuse for some mental m*sturb*tion Until they prove otherwise, the Browns are a third place team *edit, really? m*sturb*tion is blocked? Edited May 18, 2019 by /dev/null Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 On 3/14/2019 at 8:02 PM, NewEra said: Superstars. They have 3-4 potential. We have 1 potential and another that’s considered old Shady the old superstar Josh Allen can be a superstar ed Oliver can be a superstar I wouldn’t say 1 potential Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 20 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Shady the old superstar Josh Allen can be a superstar ed Oliver can be a superstar I wouldn’t say 1 potential We didn’t have Oliver in March when this was posted. Minus 1. Shady is old and not a superstar anymore. Minus 2. Allen? Potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 26 minutes ago, NewEra said: We didn’t have Oliver in March when this was posted. Minus 1. Shady is old and not a superstar anymore. Minus 2. Allen? Potential. Well I wasn’t looking at the date it was posted So Oliver and Allen still have that potential i wasnt taking a shot at your post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasovon Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 They are completely unproven at the most important position head coach. Kitchens has barely any experience be interesting to see if he can run a team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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