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Following free agency, I hopped over to nfl.com and saw an article on whether or not the Patriots were still the favorites.  Poking through the comments though, I saw no mention of the improvements the Bills and Jets have made, most noting the AFC East will be a cakewalk for the Pats.  Okay, I get it, improvements on paper are one thing, but you gotta show improvement on the field.  At the same time, one analyst mentions the Chiefs and Browns as competition.  And the official website poll asks which team is the best in the AFC.  The options are the Pats, the Chiefs, and the...Browns? 😕  Not the Chargers, not the Steelers, not the Ravens...the Browns.

 

Yes, the Browns have improved since last year, but they went 7-8-1, a losing record.  How do they get included in "best of the AFC" discussions without having to prove anything?  Last year was no different, despite going 0-16, some people were picking them to make and even go deep in the playoffs!  I guess I'm just wondering why teams like the Bills and Jets have to prove themselves and the Browns, who have been categorically/historically worse then them get a free pass and become the sexy favorite?

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4 minutes ago, Your Brown Eye said:

for reelz?

 

...wish I was making it up.

 

 

Poll.jpg

 

 

2 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

There’s a separate forum for non Bills news

 

Thanks for that helpful tidbit, except this post is questioning why the Browns are given a free pass while the Bills have to prove themselves, so it is Bills' relevant. 🙄

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Mayfield to OBJ and Landry. Good story for ESPN. They should be a 10-12 win team form the moves made. 

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The least that the majority of people expect them to do is win the division - Pittsburgh is in turmoil, Baltimore is transitioning big time on defense (and already were midway through the year on offense), and the Bengals...are looking like they're going to be as bad as they were before Marvin Lewis joined the team. Harbaugh always has his team well coached and the Steelers should still do fairly well, but based on all the firepower on the Browns roster, I'd pick them to win the North as of today.

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Just now, JimKellyTryouts said:

The least that the majority of people expect them to do is win the division - Pittsburgh is in turmoil, Baltimore is transitioning big time on defense (and already were midway through the year on offense), and the Bengals...are looking like they're going to be as bad as they were before Marvin Lewis joined the team. Harbaugh always has his team well coached and the Steelers should still do fairly well, but based on all the firepower on the Browns roster, I'd pick them to win the North as of today.

 

Yeah, but best in the entire AFC?

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Isn’t it obvious why people are expecting them to be good? They have the most talented roster in the AFC. Maybe they don’t get there this year but they are loaded.

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You ever seen an NFL lineman.?  Most of them aren't sexy. 

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They did win 5 of 7 to close  last season. They still have last year's offensive identity (with the OC becoming the HC). They have added OBJ to the offense and traded for Vernon and signed Sheldon Richardson (which is underrated given th ehoopla over OBJ) to the Defense. And they have Kareem Hunt waiting in the wings. They are loaded at every damn position. Every other team in  their division took a step backward. What is not to like?

 

There are only 2 question marks -

 

What happens to team chemistry?

How much does losing DC Gregg Williams for Steve WIlks hurt the defense?

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2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Isn’t it obvious why people are expecting them to be good? They have the most talented roster in the AFC. Maybe they don’t get there this year but they are loaded.

 

"Good" isn't the same as "best in the AFC".  I mean, in that poll they were put on par with NE and KC, and above every other AFC team based solely on how they look on paper.

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For example:

 

OBJ > OJB    

 

(Ol' John Brown, that is)

 

The perception is that the quality of the Browns talent accumulated is much higher.........and in a matchup league that means a lot.

 

The list is long......Landry or Beasley.......Myles Garrett or Jerry Hughes......Dave Njoku or Kroft/Croom.......

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5 minutes ago, The Red King said:

 

Yeah, but best in the entire AFC?

 

I hear you on that, but I wouldn't be totally shocked to see them in the chip.

 

At the moment, I've got NE > KC > IND > CLE > LAC > NYJ

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Just now, BADOLBILZ said:

For example:

 

OBJ > OJB    

 

(Ol' John Brown, that is)

 

The perception is that the quality of the Browns talent accumulated is much higher.........and in a matchup league that means a lot.

 

The list is long......Landry or Beasley.......Myles Garrett or Jerry Hughes......Dave Njoku or Kroft/Croom.......

 

Not saying they won't be good, but you're telling me they're one of the top three teams in the AFC right now?

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8 minutes ago, ngbills said:

Mayfield to OBJ and Landry. Good story for ESPN. They should be a 10-12 win team form the moves made. 

 

Kareem Hunt too.

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The Browns are trying to get good really quickly. That normally doesn’t work, it could backfire. 

Id be curious what their cap will be in a couple years. 

I really do not like the OBJ trade for them, this is an attempt to appease the fan base for suffering and to become relevant 

nationally. It’s working but the pitfalls can be devestating.

We shall see. 

Not sure they will be that good already.

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Superstars.  They have 3-4 potential. We have 1 potential and another that’s considered old

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Again, this isn't about whether or not Cleveland could be good.  It's about the media already putting them on par with NE and KC with nothing being proven.  Yes, they have a roster that could go to the big game, no doubt.  Don't think I'm quite ready to say with certainty already that they're as good as NE and KC.  Not without seeing a bit of the product on the field.

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5 minutes ago, The Red King said:

 

Not saying they won't be good, but you're telling me they're one of the top three teams in the AFC right now?

 

Talent-wise.......yes.

 

On the field it remains to be seen.

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I hear ya—it’s a good narrative for the NFL though, and they have the talent pickups to make it happen—if they make it happen, which I’m not totally sold on yet either. They haven’t proven anything yet, other than that Hue was given a few years too many. 

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11 minutes ago, The Red King said:

Following free agency, I hopped over to nfl.com and saw an article on whether or not the Patriots were still the favorites.  Poking through the comments though, I saw no mention of the improvements the Bills and Jets have made, most noting the AFC East will be a cakewalk for the Pats.  Okay, I get it, improvements on paper are one thing, but you gotta show improvement on the field.  At the same time, one analyst mentions the Chiefs and Browns as competition.  And the official website poll asks which team is the best in the AFC.  The options are the Pats, the Chiefs, and the...Browns? 😕  Not the Chargers, not the Steelers, not the Ravens...the Browns.

 

Yes, the Browns have improved since last year, but they went 7-8-1, a losing record.  How do they get included in "best of the AFC" discussions without having to prove anything?  Last year was no different, despite going 0-16, some people were picking them to make and even go deep in the playoffs!  I guess I'm just wondering why teams like the Bills and Jets have to prove themselves and the Browns, who have been categorically/historically worse then them get a free pass and become the sexy favorite?

Bills, Jets, and Dolphins compete to win the offseason every year. They try to sign the big names, but those guys almost never live up to expectations... They're left with bad contracts and worse teams. While teams have been signing players to crazy money, do you know what Belichick has been doing? He's been on vacation in Barbados with his woman! He's been lounging on the beach and frolicking in the surf! The AFCE bottom dwellers have made a big move here and there, but the Brown Stains loaded up in a division with the Steelers who are in turmoil, Ravens have a run first QB who can't throw the ball into the ocean from a boat,  and the Bengals. The Bengals... The Browns have weaker teams in front of them than the Bills, Jets, and Dolphins.

 

 

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22 minutes ago, The Red King said:

 

"Good" isn't the same as "best in the AFC".  I mean, in that poll they were put on par with NE and KC, and above every other AFC team based solely on how they look on paper.

You know how this works... Bills just being the Bills... Browns just being the Browns...

 

NE didn't have the most talented roster this year, but they had the best coaches, smartest players, and bought into the "team first" mentality. 

 

Does anyone think AB, Le'veon, OBJ, etc even give two poops about winning?  Not a chance in Hell! 

 

It's the fans that care about winning. Most players care about getting paid. If I can play for the Pats and make $4M and win 3 SBs or play for someone else and make $50M, what am I going to do?

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25 minutes ago, dlonce said:

The Browns are trying to get good really quickly. That normally doesn’t work, it could backfire. 

Id be curious what their cap will be in a couple years. 

I really do not like the OBJ trade for them, this is an attempt to appease the fan base for suffering and to become relevant 

nationally. It’s working but the pitfalls can be devestating.

We shall see. 

Not sure they will be that good already.

I agree. The national media already loves the story of the 2019 Cleveland Browns before it even begins. Cleveland is loaded with big names and strong personalities. This team is either going to be an overwhelming success, or will crash and burn quite hard imo. I can already imagine how some of those personalities would react to a losing streak. Does this team have the character to overcome the tough times good football rise above? I’m not convinced of that, especially under the leadership of a first time head coach. 

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Chargers are spent.  Steelers are on their last legs.  The Ravens don't have a QB who can pass a football to win games.

 

Sure, why not the Browns?

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