nedboy7 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 (edited) This is what’s annoying. No one is rooting for him to fail. How about people stop posting we aren’t gonna win the SB this year anyways so blah blah blah. Edited October 11, 2018 by nedboy7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DtownB2 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 I agree that I don't want to make any judgement too early buttttt The Bills drafted Josh Allen with the 7th overall pick who many considered the biggest project with all the right tools. And for the year they surround their first QB taken this high in the history of the franchise with no WRs, a bad offensive line, no veteran QB to mentor him, and a QB coach who doesn't have a history with young QBs. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 I'll jerk my knees if I feel like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 3 hours ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: The worst thing they can do now is bench him for 48 yr old Derek Anderson... That's coming. You don't have to believe me now. Just wait a while. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 3 hours ago, teef said: is this legally binding? i am with you though. we all knew there was going to be a small group that makes the most noise when it comes to being upset about allen. he's on the bills now, so i'm cheering for him, and will give him time to develop. it may not work out, but since this is not the plan, i'm hoping for the best. Nailed it.....Is this what the young people say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleTheWagons99 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 3 hours ago, Starr Almighty said: I've been on this boat from the start Ditto, have to give them sometime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 6 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: That's coming. You don't have to believe me now. Just wait a while. Care to make a wager on that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Count me in too. We may know sooner though if he starts to dominate, but 1st year doesn't count, too many great QBs SUCKED their rookie years, the list is astronomical. I'd actually go as far to say that more good QBs have been bad year 1 than good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 If only I could get the broad two rows behind me at the NErF to vow to stop calling him “Joshy”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 4 hours ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: The worst thing they can do now is bench him for 48 yr old Derek Anderson... He's not going to be benched....the only way Anderson plays is if Allen is injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 4 hours ago, Degenerate Mike in HHDS said: I'm with you. He's 2-2 in games started FFS. Has he looked great no but he's learning every game. The Bills have played 5 teams that the experts predicted would be in the playoffs this year and now have 2 winnable games that could make them 4-3 for MNF and the Pats. Nice post OP! I'm with Mofo and Degenerative Mike..........except if we are going to keep an open mind we don't need to manufacture real-time excuse narratives like "he's learning every game" when we don't know if that's really the case. Just gotta' be OK with the unknown this season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 29 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: I'm with Mofo and Degenerative Mike..........except if we are going to keep an open mind we don't need to manufacture real-time excuse narratives like "he's learning every game" when we don't know if that's really the case. Just gotta' be OK with the unknown this season. Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 4 hours ago, MikeSpeed said: Can anyone recall in recent memory a rookie QB that got benched and then came back and was good? If Allen gets benched, I think we need to consider another QB next year. Won't happen. Whaley was all in on EJ Manuel.....both gone now. Bean and McD are all in on Allen...if Allen doesn't make it, Bean and McD will be gone. So, Allen will get all the days Bean and McD have to give him....maybe 3 more years. Then, if things are still bad....adious Amigos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Imo baker Mayfield is a better qb at the moment, and the Browns only have 2 wins. I fully expected Allen to struggle this year. The big thing is can he get better this year and going into next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Fadingpain said: That's coming. You don't have to believe me now. Just wait a while. Noted, you are to Allen what Skydiver is to Foster ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 3 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I want to and I think I will give him 2 years. But as someone who I think was extremely flawed and picked by a regime that makes a lot of bad offensive decisions, it’s hard to blindly trust them. i hate this feeling. But as someone who supported EJ, JP, and Trent until the end and overlooked many warning signs, when is it enough time? Why two years? Thinking you have a QB to then pass on a better prospect, is way worse than admitting the mistake and taking another QB. How many years can we go with saying we have a QB, when we really don't? Allen right now is projecting to be one of the worst passing QBs to play the game, in the pass happy era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 5 hours ago, Like A Mofo said: Dear Social Media and message board watchers, I as a Buffalo Bills fan will refrain from making a definitive conclusion as to Josh Allen and if he 'is the answer' at QB for the long term for the Buffalo Bills for the rest of the season. After reviewing mine and other opinions over the weeks, I realize that the knee jerk reactions are not needed during this time. I will allow time for Josh to develop. I will stay even keel if Allen has a great game or a bad game in 2018. I will tell myself over and over that 2019 will bring in an infusion of talent which can help the young signal caller. I will remind myself that quarterbacks can take different amounts of time to develop. I sign off on this vow the rest of the year, for my betterment as a fan of this team. Who is with me? Signed, Like A Mofo No, it is best to agonize about this play by play then game to game. By default Bills fans are irrational so trying to be logical just will not work. Signed with affection (possibly confused with irritation and frustration), BuffaloBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 38 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: Why two years? Thinking you have a QB to then pass on a better prospect, is way worse than admitting the mistake and taking another QB. How many years can we go with saying we have a QB, when we really don't? Allen right now is projecting to be one of the worst passing QBs to play the game, in the pass happy era. God your takes are aweful 5 games into a rookie season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: I'm with Mofo and Degenerative Mike..........except if we are going to keep an open mind we don't need to manufacture real-time excuse narratives like "he's learning every game" when we don't know if that's really the case. Just gotta' be OK with the unknown this season. Agreed. Everyone should have known this was going to be a frustrating year. No point in getting too high or too low about his or the team's performance any given week. We will know more by the end of the year, and there will hopefully be some entertaining football in the interim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 minute ago, FLFan said: Agreed. Everyone should have known this was going to be a frustrating year. No point in getting too high or too low about his or the team's performance any given week. We will know more by the end of the year, and there will hopefully be some entertaining football in the interim. This is really what I dont understand Did ppl really think that a raw rookie QB was going to overcome the lack of talent on this offense.....I mean....REALLY? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: This is really what I dont understand Did ppl really think that a raw rookie QB was going to overcome the lack of talent on this offense.....I mean....REALLY? Hope is powerful drug. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWins Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Just for reference here are Jared Goff's stats. Notice his 1st year stats. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GoffJa00.htm 7 GP 112 CMP 205 ATT 1089 YDS 54.6 CMP% 5 TDS 7 INTS 18.9 QBR Not very impressive... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills11 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 6 hours ago, Like A Mofo said: Dear Social Media and message board watchers, I as a Buffalo Bills fan will refrain from making a definitive conclusion as to Josh Allen and if he 'is the answer' at QB for the long term for the Buffalo Bills for the rest of the season. After reviewing mine and other opinions over the weeks, I realize that the knee jerk reactions are not needed during this time. I will allow time for Josh to develop. I will stay even keel if Allen has a great game or a bad game in 2018. I will tell myself over and over that 2019 will bring in an infusion of talent which can help the young signal caller. I will remind myself that quarterbacks can take different amounts of time to develop. I sign off on this vow the rest of the year, for my betterment as a fan of this team. Who is with me? Signed, Like A Mofo thats how it should be period..knee jerk reactions like CUT shady after a bad game need to stop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 This is entirely on Josh. Either he has the mental makeup to process the speed of the game, the drive to make film study a top priority and the work ethic to clean up his mechanics (accuracy) or he doesn't. The talent is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojo44 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 I’m on. Anyone who claims that Josh Allen is already a genuine “bust” has questionable judgment. I am wary of anybody in all aspects of my life who professes to know the unknowable. Why should it be any different in this case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Lots of us already on board with Allen. No need to swear it... Biggest sinners sit in the front pew and sing the loudest.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 I have felt like this for all of our young QBs. Hell, even Fitz. Bills fans generally want instant answer, gratification. It just doesnt work that way. They are gonna screw up. They need the help of a competent coach and not fear being run out of buffalo for a bad game. He has played 1 truly good game and, as much as I didnt want him, I'm riding with him atleast through the end of next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 8 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said: What exactly is wrong with praising him when he plays well and badmouthing him when he plays poorly, and predicting whether or not he will look good or average or bad or great in the mid, near or far off future? It's what message boards are for. It's what fans do. It's not set in stone, it's a fluid opinion. The only thing that may be wrong about it is saying you know this is how it's going to be when you don't, good or bad. To me its like people complaining that you're innocent until proven guilty in this country. That is actually only in court. People should be able to voice and change their opinions about guilt or innocence on places like message boards based on what they know or think they know at the time. It makes for some great discussions. If you're ill-informed then it will show. A moratorium on deciding whether you think Josh is good or bad until the end of the season seems like a way to make the board a more boring place. It's okay to change your mind on things like rookie quarterbacks. There's nothing wrong with it. Ask yourself this question. Would there be a thread like this with this many likes if he had looked good so far? I doubt it. This thread and it's praise are not only unnecessary, but borne out of fear that he will not progress. He may or he may not, but so far he has everything stacked against him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerovoltz Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 9 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Are you Josh'n us? You can't pass judgement w/o a body of work. Anyone can guess right or wrong. ....Judgement has been passed based on his work in college and at the combine. Many of the doubters (including me) look at his production in college and judge that to translate to poor NFL QB. The supporters (the coach and front office included) have looked at the test scores, the physical traits, the combine measurables and judged him to translate to future franchise QB. I am sure you are refering to his NFL body of work...and that is fair, but there is alot of work out there already to analyze and draw an opinion from.... It is a fair point to give the kid this whole year to see what you have....and it's a legit point to see what he does when you assume that the roster around him will be considerably upgraded next season. It was the plan the whole time...it's worth follow through on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Barring injury, Allen is the long term answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 12 hours ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: Derek Anderson is 57 years old. At least Allen has the legs to try to scramble out of the pocket. Anderson’s hips just ain’t what they used to be Dang he went from 48 to 57 in less than a Bojorquez hang time to the 20... 7 hours ago, FLFan said: Hope is powerful drug. Especially when it’s based on incredibly promising potential! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 7 hours ago, Teddy KGB said: Noted, you are to Allen what Skydiver is to Foster ??? That has nothing to do with me; it has to do with McBeane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, Zerovotlz said: ....Judgement has been passed based on his work in college and at the combine. Many of the doubters (including me) look at his production in college and judge that to translate to poor NFL QB. The supporters (the coach and front office included) have looked at the test scores, the physical traits, the combine measurables and judged him to translate to future franchise QB. I am sure you are refering to his NFL body of work...and that is fair, but there is alot of work out there already to analyze and draw an opinion from.... It is a fair point to give the kid this whole year to see what you have....and it's a legit point to see what he does when you assume that the roster around him will be considerably upgraded next season. It was the plan the whole time...it's worth follow through on. There were players in college that won a Heisman - and sucked in the NFL There were players in college that played well with obvious weaknesses - and those obvious weaknesses remained similar in the NFL after many many seasons There were players in college that played meh - and succeeded in the NFL The NFL is not college football. We (collectively) need to see how they perform in the pro's Sometimes it takes more that 1 year. I'm not saying Josh will be a LOCK for the HoF and or a perennial Pro bowl player as well as calling him a failure after 4 games. Edited October 12, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickleyjones Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 unless someone here can see into the future, all we can do is wait and see. good news though, it appears that some people here can see into the future and they already know Allen will fail. so let's just move on...right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 I appreciate the OP's honesty and willingness to lead a reasoned and balanced approach. I have to say, I've held this approach since they Drafted him. I was not an "Allen guy", although I didn't "hate" him as much as many people on this board and Bills fans in general did either. So, taking the "wait and see" approach was easier for me to swallow. Honestly, when Josh Rosen was still on the board when the Bills Drafted at 7, I really did think Rosen was the guy. After the initial shock was over, I made a similar commitment as the OP by simply saying it would take time and to see the long-term benefit and plan. What helped me was the team making the playoffs last year and McD getting the most of out the underwhelming unit to break the drought. Beane, IMHO, has done mostly good things (Darby trade still bothers me) and I knew the plan was to ride out one more truly bad year before it started to really turn around. I was happy about last year and I give the team credit b/c no matter how we couch the playoffs, they still had to win to put themselves in position to be in the playoffs. So, here we are. The Bills believe they have their Franchise QB of the future, they built on their existing strength in Defense, and have cleared Cap space without giving up Draft picks for 2019. Let's see this thing through and in the meantime enjoy the ride. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 I’m in, with exception... I promise to only sarcasticly make fun of his poor play with unqualified rhetoric like arm arrogance and eyeball test, but not mean it. No stats- they are too ugly right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 My favorite take was Slop and Bulldung on GR yesterday. If Cornfed doesn't pan out this year the Bills need to move on and draft another QB next year..... morons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Sure. Sounds reasonable. But if he's REALLY REALLY bad (Peterman at Chargers bad) for, say , five games in a row it will be hard for people to refrain, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 22 hours ago, Degenerate Mike in HHDS said: I'm with you. He's 2-2 in games started FFS. Has he looked great no but he's learning every game. The Bills have played 5 teams that the experts predicted would be in the playoffs this year and now have 2 winnable games that could make them 4-3 for MNF and the Pats. Nice post OP! murph was talking about this the other day...that our strength of schedule in the first half of the year went from " x " (i can't remember the rank but think it was very high), to 3rd easiest through the second half. if we can win these next two, maybe we have a shot against the pats at home on halloween. however, if we can get to 4-4 and that switch between allen's ears flips on, we could go on a 6-2 run through the 2nd half with most of the games at home. 14 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Lots of us already on board with Allen. No need to swear it... Biggest sinners sit in the front pew and sing the loudest.... never heard that one before. i love it! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 On 10/11/2018 at 9:43 AM, Like A Mofo said: Dear Social Media and message board watchers, I as a Buffalo Bills fan will refrain from making a definitive conclusion as to Josh Allen and if he 'is the answer' at QB for the long term for the Buffalo Bills for the rest of the season. After reviewing mine and other opinions over the weeks, I realize that the knee jerk reactions are not needed during this time. I will allow time for Josh to develop. I will stay even keel if Allen has a great game or a bad game in 2018. I will tell myself over and over that 2019 will bring in an infusion of talent which can help the young signal caller. I will remind myself that quarterbacks can take different amounts of time to develop. I sign off on this vow the rest of the year, for my betterment as a fan of this team. Who is with me? Signed, Like A Mofo Wait a minute ... does that mean we CAN make a definitive assessment at the end of the 2018 season? Because it took 1.25 seasons for the team to pull the plug on the EJ Experiment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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