DrDawkinstein Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 1 minute ago, appoo said: Because it’s formulaic. Texans own salary and bonuses not yet paid. The bills own any bonuses prorated through the life of the contact But teams can go outside of that formula. It literally happened when Texans traded Osweiler to Cleveland just to get his guaranteed money off their books. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 3 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: It’s not a bad trade given his age and contract - it was a bad contract given his age and antics. Come on now the bills won like 25 games with Diggs and won playoff games each of the last few seasons, and were one of the best teams in the league each season of the extension. That contract absolutely paid off for Buffalo 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikePJ76 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said: That's officially over. The window is slammed shut until at least 2026 now and that's if they draft a stud in the late first this year. this is nonsense. The Window is always open if the O line is good and Allen is healthy. Whether or not this group ever wins a championship is 100% on the defense which always falls apart and makes critical mistakes. That is a Sean Mcdermott issue. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: I mean I guess they could see it as more ammo to move up, but a 2nd next year is worth like a 3rd this year, so it doesn't give us that much more ammo to move up, and we lost 2 more picks too in the trade. So if that is the case, it really isn't moving the needle that much. In fact, I think I would rather have 2 second round picks next year then waste that chasing a rookie in what is a very deep WR draft. just to clarify, only one of those picks is this year. The other is a 2025 pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cray51 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: I mean I guess they could see it as more ammo to move up, but a 2nd next year is worth like a 3rd this year, so it doesn't give us that much more ammo to move up, and we lost 2 more picks too in the trade. So if that is the case, it really isn't moving the needle that much. In fact, I think I would rather have 2 second round picks next year then waste that chasing a rookie in what is a very deep WR draft. Not that I would be a fan of it, but having 2 seconds next year might give us enough confidence to move our 1st next year. 28+ First for Brian Thomas Jr? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 26 minutes ago, Mango said: Sorry, that was sarcasm. Diggs was definitely always tradable. And not just tradable, advantageous for the receiving team. Diggs contract going forward for Houston is middle of the pack for WR1 across the league and there is next to zero cap implication for them to move on from him at any point because of the restructure. And the delta for the Bills is $3M this year. That is it. Now they have some more cap freedom going forward. Not to be a blowhard or specifically kick you in the shins, but this was explained over and over and over again by a lot of posters. ahem well who are you to chastise anybody. Get a grip on your high horse there pal. SMH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Just now, 4merper4mer said: Don’t worry. @DrDawkinstein and Beane have a great plan. I'm sorry, but I am worried🤦♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibum Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 It was already looking like a proper rebuild, but I think the fans were in denial. Now there’s no hiding it. Unless Beane has something up his sleeve - like flipping this pick for some other vet WR1, Josh Allen will be throwing to a bunch of rooks and jags this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Trading Diggs for such a small return makes that extension from last season look even worse in hindsight. But sure, Beane's a wizard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Question. We eat only 4 million this year, not the 31 million? How does the 31 million dead money on 2024 play out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 1 minute ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said: I assume they aren't going to trash an outgoing player. Thank him for his time, his contributions, his effort - and just indicate that you wanted to go a different direction. If he wants to chirp - let him. Yeah, Beane will take that road...but someone always leaks something somewhere...so I think something is gonna come out to make this a bit clearer. I mean Beane just gave Diggs a big vote of confidence recently...Diggs recently said he hopes to stay here and retire a Bill...Josh has been talking up their relationship. So...just seems like there was more going on in the backend than we know and I have a feeling something will start coming out painting a fuller picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heels20X6 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 8 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Now do Josh’s 3rd down. There's no 3rd down if Diggs catches that and scores, but that wouldn't line up with your crusade against Josh and you're need to be validated on this forum. 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 1 minute ago, Mark Vader said: Yes, I just don't see how they can climb that high in the draft to get a player like that. They can't 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cale Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 In what planet does this make sense? 1) 2025 2nd round pick 2) 31M in dead cap space Our draft better be a 10/10. Or they just plan to tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokinES3 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 22 minutes ago, PBF81 said: It certainly raises questions as to what else they've lied and are currently lying about in the most secretive Bills organization in history. Yes, but that's not my main concern. Beane has proven himself to be more than capable IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 They got a second...good news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 2 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Don’t worry. @DrDawkinstein and Beane have a great plan. Haha, I have a plan. Not sure about Beane until we get more info tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cray51 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 A lot of people that were trashing Diggs as a non-impact player in the back half of last year are coming out now and upset that we traded our star talent. I loved Diggs, but I understand why he was moved. Any disruption/age/injury/cap implications are valid 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 2 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: The smoke is Twitter. The fire is that Diggs prefers hard work, Allen prefers picker out cute outfits for the Kentucky Derby and Joe Brady prefers to scapegoat “divas”. Cute outfits? 97% of Diggs’ social media is him showing off his new “fashion.” 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 16 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: This makes zero sense it’s like beane is telling bills fans expect us to suck this year the man is clown…unless there is another move coming why? KC traded Tyreek who was arguably more important to their team at the time and then won 2 SB's 6 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Not impressed by this trade at all. You don't have a legit number 1, your number 2 left in FA, and don't have an early 1st round draft pick to grab one of the best WRs. Oh, and plenty of dead cap to go with it, unless I missed something (which I may have, didn't read the whole thread). If they can't get a top WR, I hope they go OL so Josh will have more time to find these underwhelming receivers & for them to get open. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 (edited) You know what, now is a good time to spill the beans on what I was told earlier this year - In the home Patriots game, Diggs chose to sit out the first drive of the 2nd half because he was upset with Allen's play in the 1st half. It wasn't an injury or part of the game plan. He decided to screw over his team and sit out a drive because he couldn't get over himself. I suspect other stories like this will come out in the coming days. A couple aren't mine to tell. Guy was a total headcase and a major distraction in more ways than one. Edited April 3 by HappyDays 2 1 1 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffblue Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 If all we're eating is an additional 4 million cap hit this year to get free next year, I'm not horribly upset by this. Need to see what comes next 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Just now, The Wiz said: just to clarify, only one of those picks is this year. The other is a 2025 pick. Yeah, I know that. Just meant we gave up some trade ammo in this trade too to get back a marginal amount of trade ammo for this draft if that was the mindset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills!Win! Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Before everyone jumps off the rainbow bridge THE CHIEFS WON MORE SUPERBOWLS WITHOUT TYREEK HILL THAN WITH HIM 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 43 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: The guy is the best WR the Bills ever had. Thanks for this. McDermott better win this thing basically now or I don’t want to keep running this ***** back. Andre Reed no question 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Yeah, and I was saying all offseason I felt there was no way we would trade Diggs before the draft and take on that much dead cap hit unless something behind the scenes forced the issue. And thus far, nothing has come out that would qualify as significant enough to make this move. So it makes me wonder what we are going to find out now that Diggs has been moved. Seems like this had to be an "addition by subtraction" move in Beanes eyes to take on that dead cap and not even get a pick in this WR rich draft back. I mean he didn't even wait until after June 1st when the cap was less of a hit which would have made more business sense given we got no picks back in this draft. So I am really curious to what we are gonna hear that was going on behind the scenes that he had to make this move and take this weak compensation back. He became a supreme a-hole and they were tired of his act. I’m not the least bit surprised by the trade based on what I’ve heard about this guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iccrewman112 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 They say what they needed to from Kincaid. The offense will run through him. If healthy he is 160 targets a season. Hopefully more of them are downfield routes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Just now, Mark Vader said: Yes, I just don't see how they can climb that high in the draft to get a player like that. It's supposed to be a deep draft for WR's this year. Beane has to get some weapons out of this draft for Allen. If they trade up or not I have to think WR is the pick in Rd 1. Probably going to take more than one WR this draft. I can't wait to hear Beane's press conference for this. The media is going to have a lot of questions to ask. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Just now, Warriorspikes51 said: why? KC traded Tyreek who was arguably more important to their team at the time and then won 2 SB's We aren’t the chiefs 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Just now, DrDawkinstein said: But teams can go outside of that formula. It literally happened when Texans traded Osweiler to Cleveland just to get his guaranteed money off their books. That was cleveland acquiring base salary guarantees though. They acquired his contract like any other trade. They just had a ton of cap space to eat it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 In beane I trust. Gotta believe he has a master plan. I feel like we do this alot. I love Diggs, but if it makes our team better, I'm all for it 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUNTANBILLS FAN Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 3 minutes ago, 27yanks said: He was toxic, and watching the second half of season should of shown us not all was good in the locker room. Cut and run. Ya those top 5 Wr are easy to come by........ 🤦 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: "By the book", yes. But Houston can take on whatever they want, and even send us straight up cash. If Houston paid some of the dead cap, it makes the deal only marginally better. This says not. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39866413/sources-bills-finalizing-trade-star-wr-stefon-diggs-texans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billykay Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 15 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: I mean is this is real, I don't see how the hell Beane waits until 28. Either he is 100% confident that he can get a guy in the 1st round, or the Bills window just closed. I see a trade with the NYG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Just now, Bills!Win! said: Before everyone jumps off the rainbow bridge THE CHIEFS WON MORE SUPERBOWLS WITHOUT TYREEK HILL THAN WITH HIM The Chiefs received a little more than a future 2nd and a 6th but I like the optimism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Just now, Cray51 said: A lot of people that were trashing Diggs as a non-impact player in the back half of last year are coming out now and upset that we traded our star talent. I loved Diggs, but I understand why he was moved. Any disruption/age/injury/cap implications are valid No one cares about this from a football perspective other than it creating a hole at a position. Eating 31M in cap space for a return of a pick NEXT year is the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 21 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: It’s a 2025 pick. Jeeeezus ***** trade man🤦🤦🤦 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Mat68 said: A 2nd for a 30 year old wr is above market. Heck Amari Cooper was traded for a 4th and was younger. I think the Bills were at the point to just move on. Have guys that want to be here and play with Josh. Take the medicine and move on. Having Diggs wont make Buffalo more or less likely to win it all. Amen. The over-reaction on this board is hilarious. And for everyone bitching that it is "only" a 2nd round pick, we also got a 6th this year, and a 5th next year. Those picks matter when you are reloading the roster. ***My bad! I misread the announcement. We gave up the 5th and 6th. Wishful thinking on my part I guess. Damn!*** Edited April 3 by buffaloboyinATL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 1 minute ago, Cray51 said: Not that I would be a fan of it, but having 2 seconds next year might give us enough confidence to move our 1st next year. 28+ First for Brian Thomas Jr? Actually, that is a good thought, I had not considered that when thinking about the draft ammo for this year. So yeah, actually this point makes a lot more sense. Still doesn't make me feel good about our comp in this trade weighed with the cap issues it comes with, but you made a very good point on how it might impact their mindset on being aggressive to go up for a WR. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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