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@GunnerBill great job as always - any idea why WR has gone from "We may see 7 receivers in the first round" to only 5? Mitchell/Legette/Franklin/McConkey all not being selected in the first. Does that say more about the concerns of the talent, or the addressing of other needs by teams?

B. Cooks - Good #2 K. Benjamin - Bad W. Fuller - Bad N. Agholor - #3/4 B. Perriman - Bad P. Dorsett - Bad J. Doctson - Bad L. Treadwell - Bad D. Moore - Low Tier #1 C. Ridley - Low Tier #1 M. Brown - Good #2 N. Harry - Bad C. Lamb* - Mid Tier #1 J. Reagor - Bad J. Jefferson** - Top #1 B. Aiyuk - Mid Tier #1 K. Toney - Bad R. Bateman - #3 with Potential So we have: 1 Top Tier #1 4 Mid/Low #1s 2 #2s 2-3 #3s 8 Bad To be fair, in the last few years the results have been better: Since 2018 Draft: 4 Mid/Low Tier #1s 1 Top End #1 1 Good #2 1 Good #3 with upside 3 Bads So really the tweet is a little misleading. In the past 5 drafts, teams in our position have found a #1 WR 50% of the time. With this class being deep, the chance of that hit only goes up. Is the risk there? Of course. But I'm not scared about picking a WR at 28. If Beane had a guy they want, they need to go after them.

The question is dependent on two things. 1) am I able to complete passes like a shovel pass to a motioning receiver? That’s really the only pass I think I could complete. 2) is the teams goal to win the game or for me to complete a pass? I can throw the ball 20-30 yards downfield with decent accuracy, but I have no reference to the timing of an NFL play. I don’t think I could judge a corner/safety/lb in zone coverage. I also think if someone as bad as one of us was behind center, the other team would bring a heavy set in and drop everyone within 5 yards of the line. Zero blitz all day and none of us could process and develop a rhythm to complete a pass. I’m not small (6’2), in decent shape, and can throw a bit. However, so much of the QB role is pre snap, and then just insanely fast reads real time. Then the athlete part comes into play. if I can shovel to a wr? 1-5 passes. If the goal is to complete a pass PAST the line of scrimmage? Zero. And I’m comfortable knowing I’m correct

In the playoffs, Kelce went 32 catches on 37 targets for 355 yards and 3 TDs. He elevated his game because he is still absolutely a top 20 receiving threat in the league. His regular season wasn't great, but he turned it on when he needed to. Just like most Chief's players did. I dont disagree that Allen will likely have 4,100+ yards to end the year. I'm just thinking, when the playoffs come around, can our talent at the WR/TE positions elevate like a Kelce can?

Don't like him at all. I just dont see the ability to throw at the NFL level. Would stay away

Gives me more reason to give up a haul to go get a guy that can be a #1 and COST CONTROLLED for the next 5 years. High end WR1 is not a 30M allocation. Whereas I can draft a guy and pay him a third or fourth of that and use the other 20-22M on other positions. Starting safety for 8, DT for 15...

And Poyer was given a higher guarantee on his last extension to convert 4.85 of bonus to guaranteed money in 2023... They stuck with White through his first ACL tear and supported him even though he took 1.5 years to come back... I dont hate any player for getting what they want either. But to say loyalty only goes one way is a disrespect to how Beane has handled this organization. They are some of the best player forward orgs around. Nobody is perfect, but they do a great job taking care of their players.

Outside of Kincaid and Shakir, no one on team is a good sure handed receiver.

Totally understand that, and I really like Kincaid. But there is a very very small chance Shakir or shorter get to #1 receiver level

Yea I like Billl but that was low.

I don’t fault anything you are saying (although I think saying us getting Diggs and not winning clearly shows a top WR isn’t our problem is a bit simplistic). The Bills still have a top 6 roster in the league. They carry a top 3 QB, a top 7 RB, top 5 TE room, top 10 O line, top 7 LB core, and top 12 dline. They need secondary, which McD and Beane have shown to be able to bring in above average talent without investing high draft capital. Their WR room is bottom 10 in the league right now, and if they bring in a top 3 draft WR they fix a bad spot on their roster. Along with that, they potentially have a cost controller superstar talent, when as you mentioned they have a potential cap squeeze over the next two/three years. WRs are becoming the third highest position in football behind QB and Dline. Getting 5 years of cost controlled #1 WR play? I think if Beane believes he can get it, he will go for it

Brady is an all time competitor. He likely sees the way Allen isn’t afraid to lay it all out there to win, along with his ability to elevate those around him and respects the hell out of it.

I understand what you are trying to say, but every Super Bowl winning team in the last 5 years HAS had a top 10 receiving threat in that season (Kelce, Kupp, Kelce, Evans, Hill) and, no team that has made the Super Bowl in the last 5 seasons has had a little surrounding talent then what the bills have right now without Diggs. the situation is clear. WR room is lacking talent on this team, and there are 3 high end potential top end #1 WR prospects in this draft. in addition, the concern of not being able to field a strong roster if we mortgage picks to move up is in my opinion a controllable risk. One of Beane’s best abilities is to utilize several avenues to field NFL capable talent across the field. One of his big criticisms? Bringing in superstar talent. does Beane moving up for a top end WR guarantee any success? No, of course not. But if he does move up does it give us more autonomy in selecting the right WR to potentially put us to the promise land? Yes it does. we will have to see what happens on draft day

they will need to give up a PREMIUM amount of draft capital to move to 7/8/9. Likely 2 firsts and maybe 2 seconds as well. If Beane does want a top 3 receiver, he will need to give a haul i wouldn’t put it past beane if Nabers is there at 8 to try to make a deal

No, I meant if they trade up to 8 or 9 to move ahead of the Jets. Like the example I used of the Chiefs moving ahead of the Bills for McDuffie

I'd be SHOCKED if one of the top 3 receivers is there at 10 for the Jets and the Bills DONT trade up to snag one of them. Just like the Chiefs did with us an McDuffie, dont let rival teams take talent that fills a hole on your team.

Apologies! it read to me more like “Watkins repeat would be a mistake”. I think if a rookie with the quality of Watkins came into this team it’s a great grab. If Nabers doesn’t have the injuries Watkins does, with Allen? I’d think we get someone closer to a Chase tier impact

Rookie Watkins with Allen is a 1400 yard rookie who makes the pro bowl. Watkins had no one throwing his way

Nabers.

To be fair, that class was pretty poor at the positions that we needed. WR? No impact signings other than maybe Juju, who chose the Chiefs. Kirk signed for way over our limit DT? Suh was a cheap option but he went where he wanted. We did sign Jones who has earned a second deal Von was unfortunate, but almost every top signing that year has been a miss Some good RB options, but it really doesn't look like a good FA group after a few years.

I could really just say: 4 straight division titles after making the playoffs ONCE in the previous 25 years...

Im thinking OT and QB push the board down. From there, do any teams go CB or DE because they really want to fill a need? If things start shaking out that way... may create opportunity for a WR to slip a bit

Cosell made an interesting point, WRs tend to fall in the draft almost every year. I think about the Jeudy draft, Lamb and Jeudy all fell 5-7 spots from their rankings. Garrett Wilson fell a few spots to the Jets in 22 WR wasn't a pick until 20 last year. Not that it's a fact, but those mocks that have Odunze/Nabers/Harrison ALL going by pick 9... they may not be incredibly accurate to how teams draft. Maybe one falls to 13-15 potentially, and then a team makes a move.

Whether or not they are right, Beane and co BELIEVE they can fill Diggs role and production within the next season. When you think about it, Diggs came in at 26/27 years old as a prime breakout WR, and had 3 years of top tier impact. Then he starts to fall off, Brady can't find a way to make him explode in production, and now we have an unhappy Diggs who is over 30 and Beane made the decision to move on. My guess, they trade up and make a play for Brian Thomas. MAYBE they try to pull an Allen move and make two trades to get to 6 with the Giants for Nabers... Either way, the Bills believe they have an ability to use Kincaid/Cook/WR Drafted/etc. to make this team's offense productive.

Beane needs to earn his money now. Go get a top 4 WR in this draft (Harrison/Nabers/Odunze/Thomas Jr) Grab another in the 3rd via trade back in the second. Maybe a Legette falls. Go into the season with a WR room locked down for the next 3 years and build a damn championship team