BillsFanForever19 Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 22 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: one should simply be able to “identify” as a minority and be considered as such for the benefit of the organization. I mean why not. That insanity happens in every aspect of society now. 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rew Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Edmunds missed 2 games. But he did still play 92% of defensive snaps for the Bears so if that was what knocked him down that feels like an incredibly high threshold. And yea, if it was that Jimmy G (also a 4th) being a pick ahead after playing far less is odd. If I understand the argument correctly, comp picks are based on what you lost. The playing time would be based on their contributions to the team prior to them moving on, 2022 in this case. Edmunds played 72% of the defensive snaps in '22, which would (by some people's theories) reduce by some factor what he was signed for. It is possible that playing time in both seasons matters too. However it is calculated, there is no reason for this information to be so secret. I could have lived with a 4th if Beane knew it at the beginning of the season or throughout the season what the likely outcomes were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 a package of the 6 5th and 6th round picks gets us into the 3rd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortchaz Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 Trade our first for a 2 and 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 5 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: a package of the 6 5th and 6th round picks gets us into the 3rd. Trade 6 players for one? No thanks. The rounds may be lower, but that doesn’t mean gems can’t be had in the 5th and 6th. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 More evidence comp picks are dumb 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: The news is public today but I wonder when teams were told and whether this played any part in Beane's decision to trade Bates for a 5th? It only saved $1.4m of cap and he spent more than that on Edwards (who he could have let walk and paid nothing). I wonder if he knew he didn't have a third and thought three 5ths and two 4ths would give him enough firepower to get back into the top 100. The two 4ths and the 5th from the Bears OR our first 4th and the three 5ths both get us back into the last half dozen picks or so of round 3. I just don’t understand how a decent linemen and several draft picks are not worth more than a single 3rd round pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 I was going to make a post showing everyone the robust list of over achievers the Bills have picked in the 4th Round in the last decade or more….but that list is REALLY short! (Really, really short.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 (edited) I'm still mad... Edited March 9 by KOKBILLS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 This is really weird. There's been between 7-9 3rd round comp picks the past few years, and this season there's only 4? Hmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 7 minutes ago, QCity said: This is really weird. There's been between 7-9 3rd round comp picks the past few years, and this season there's only 4? Hmmm The Bills have been hosed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 4 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: So what happened then ? Second thought: Less playing time than anticipated? IlThat is believed to be a criteria and he missed three games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Buffalo Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 Korte seems to think the NFL messed up and there's a chance they will issue a correction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LEBills Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 24 minutes ago, One Buffalo said: Korte seems to think the NFL messed up and there's a chance they will issue a correction? From 2022-2024, each year only 2 third round comp picks have been awarded based on free agent salary. All other third round picks in that timeframe have been awarded for minority HC/Executive hirings. Kind of looks like rather than third round comp picks being awarded to the top 5% of FA contracts like we were used to, they now cap it at the top 2 with the remainder being filled by the coaching comp picks. This is just a guess, maybe it will be different next year but it’s the third year in a row. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 13 minutes ago, LEBills said: From 2022-2024, each year only 2 third round comp picks have been awarded based on free agent salary. All other third round picks in that timeframe have been awarded for minority HC/Executive hirings. Kind of looks like rather than third round comp picks being awarded to the top 5% of FA contracts like we were used to, they now cap it at the top 2 with the remainder being filled by the coaching comp picks. This is just a guess, maybe it will be different next year but it’s the third year in a row. I think you forgot the part of the formula where Buffalo automatically gets dropped a round. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Buffalo Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 16 minutes ago, LEBills said: From 2022-2024, each year only 2 third round comp picks have been awarded based on free agent salary. All other third round picks in that timeframe have been awarded for minority HC/Executive hirings. Kind of looks like rather than third round comp picks being awarded to the top 5% of FA contracts like we were used to, they now cap it at the top 2 with the remainder being filled by the coaching comp picks. This is just a guess, maybe it will be different next year but it’s the third year in a row. The formula is based on the CBA, and it clearly states it is top 5% for 3rd round. Making a change to only 2 no matter what the formula says doesn't seem right unless it was officially updated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 That stinks. I heard all the value in the draft was pick 97 to 101. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chandler#81 Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 8 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: It's unspeakable 🤐 Hire a swarthy, get a free pick. County Fair principal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 5 hours ago, LEBills said: From 2022-2024, each year only 2 third round comp picks have been awarded based on free agent salary. All other third round picks in that timeframe have been awarded for minority HC/Executive hirings. Kind of looks like rather than third round comp picks being awarded to the top 5% of FA contracts like we were used to, they now cap it at the top 2 with the remainder being filled by the coaching comp picks. This is just a guess, maybe it will be different next year but it’s the third year in a row. This makes the most sense of any of the possibilities. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 11 hours ago, BeavercreekBillsFan said: This. I catch ***** for repeating on here how great the 49ers front office is. No one is close. I’m not saying they only hire minority coordinators just to get them hired elsewhere for comp picks.. but I’m also not saying they don’t do that. They have the best roster in football and they’re LOADED with picks. Don’t forget them fleecing Dallas by getting a 4th rounder for Trey Lance, a guy who will never take a snap for them outside of a Dak injury. O line help, another CB and a DL opposite Bosa is all they need and they’ve got lots of chances in this draft to hit on those spots plus trade up if they want. Not to mention they always make big moves in free agency so I fully expect them to make a big move here before the draft too. There’s a reason they are the favorites to win it all again next season too. Yeah, glad they recouped pennies on the dollar with that trade. They botched the most important position in the game multiple times until lucking into Purdy. 49ers get: 2021 first-round pick (No. 3 overall) Dolphins get: 2021 first-round pick (No. 12 overall) 2022 first-round pick (No. 29 overall) 2022 third-round pick (No. 101 overall) 2023 first-round pick (No. 29 overall) They’re well run, but they’ve made some massive mistakes too. For as much flack as Beane gets for his Day 2 RB love, you should see the Lynch/Shannahan bungling of Day 2 picks on RB. They’re not great early in the draft all together. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 13 hours ago, MJS said: What's the formula for determining these, anyway? I understand the net loss aspect, but not how they determine the round, etc. The Great Carnac (Johnny Carson reference) couldn’t figure that out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 (edited) 1 hour ago, JGMcD2 said: Yeah, glad they recouped pennies on the dollar with that trade. They botched the most important position in the game multiple times until lucking into Purdy. 49ers get: 2021 first-round pick (No. 3 overall) Dolphins get: 2021 first-round pick (No. 12 overall) 2022 first-round pick (No. 29 overall) 2022 third-round pick (No. 101 overall) 2023 first-round pick (No. 29 overall) They’re well run, but they’ve made some massive mistakes too. For as much flack as Beane gets for his Day 2 RB love, you should see the Lynch/Shannahan bungling of Day 2 picks on RB. They’re not great early in the draft all together. Thanks for this. I think it is really hilarious to praise 49ers front office for Lance trade conveniently forgetting how did they get him in the first place. They are well run organization but they also make their fair share of bad decisions. 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: This makes the most sense of any of the possibilities. No it doesn't. Because if it does, then Beane would have to be totally incompetent for not knowing that. He clearly counted with the 3rd round pick and if it was like this we had no chance to get one. There is something really weird going on here. I'll reserve my judgement until Beane says something or we'll find out more in some other way. It all speculation in this thread up to this point. Edited March 9 by No_Matter_What 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 53 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: Yeah, glad they recouped pennies on the dollar with that trade. They botched the most important position in the game multiple times until lucking into Purdy. 49ers get: 2021 first-round pick (No. 3 overall) Dolphins get: 2021 first-round pick (No. 12 overall) 2022 first-round pick (No. 29 overall) 2022 third-round pick (No. 101 overall) 2023 first-round pick (No. 29 overall) They’re well run, but they’ve made some massive mistakes too. For as much flack as Beane gets for his Day 2 RB love, you should see the Lynch/Shannahan bungling of Day 2 picks on RB. They’re not great early in the draft all together. Normally a miss that bad kills you. They deserve some credit for finding Purdy but there is huge luck in him turning out as he has. In the last three drafts worth of day 1 and 2 picks they have got a starting guard, a kicker and a backup pass rusher. That isn't great. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 Not having a 3rd round pick in this draft hurts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 12 hours ago, WotAGuy said: Is somebody gonna do something about this or are you all gonna keep bitchin? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 Dang that sucks, oh well no playoffs now….. 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 Just now, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Yes! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 Would have liked the third, but the fourth is certainly better than a poke in the eye with a dull stick…, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 12 hours ago, boco357 said: Something is wrong. It's not the system. Is the country. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akinko_kd Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 NFL hates it when Bills get anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 14 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said: Their QB is playing for $300 and a room in the back corner. He is Mr. Incognito so expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Y. Orangeman Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 The important part of the Nick Korte tweet is that the NFL Management Council ihas made two mistakes in the past and adjusted/compensated the affected teams. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 So isn't this based on players lost to FA ? If so the Bills should get a couple next year then too correct ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 Did the Niners lose Rice and Montana? They got FIVE comp picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 3 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said: Not having a 3rd round pick in this draft hurts. I have a feeling we’ll have one, but it will cost us two picks to get there. Which is why I said this arbitrary decision by the NFL essentially took away a draft pick from us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 8 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Did the Niners lose Rice and Montana? They got FIVE comp picks. No but they did lose a minority coordinator to a HC position and a starting Quarterback to free agency. That explains their 3rd and their 4th and shouldn't surprise anyone. Some of their later picks do seem to be from teams overpaying former 49ers in free agency at the mid range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 4 hours ago, JGMcD2 said: Yeah, glad they recouped pennies on the dollar with that trade. They botched the most important position in the game multiple times until lucking into Purdy. 49ers get: 2021 first-round pick (No. 3 overall) Dolphins get: 2021 first-round pick (No. 12 overall) 2022 first-round pick (No. 29 overall) 2022 third-round pick (No. 101 overall) 2023 first-round pick (No. 29 overall) They’re well run, but they’ve made some massive mistakes too. For as much flack as Beane gets for his Day 2 RB love, you should see the Lynch/Shannahan bungling of Day 2 picks on RB. They’re not great early in the draft all together. I did this topic. When they hit, they hit on All-Pros but they are not so different from us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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