Matt_In_NH Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 I think he can grow into a good slot guy but the Bills will need to try to find a higher end outside WR2 guy. Shakir is more a technician without any special traits like size/speed/separation ability, he is a guy we want around but not a 1 or 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 Diggs is a #2 now? Cause of 4 weeks? I’m not buying it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 The Bills are in big trouble if their plan is to try and make Shakir a number 2 receiver. A first or second round pick must be spent on a wide out this upcoming draft, and he needs to have speed 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 No because he isn't an outside receiver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperCam Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 55 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said: We’ve done that in the past and ended up with 3rd receivers at best. Why wait and take guys other teams didn’t want instead of taking more talented guy in rd 1? Our only DE signed next year are Baby Groot, Von “Healthy Scratch” Miller, and Kingsley “Not on the game day roster” Jonathan. The only DT signed is Ed Oliver. That is 2 starters on the defensive line by my count when we need 7 or 8. We don’t have the cap to fill in the line in FA, it’s going to be done via the draft and probably round 1 for edge rusher. Not to mention Poyer, Hyde and Rapp very well may be all gone. That leaves us with zero safeties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 Diggs is still very good, but he is probably better off next year as a #2. Beane should make WR a priority in this draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 Maybe, but he hasn't shown nearly enough yet for me to be comfortable handing him the job, and Harty and Sherfield shouldn't be on the roster next year. All else being equal, I would definitely be taking a WR in R1 and probably another one in the mid rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPL Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 Shakir seems to excel in the slot. Ideally, we're able to draft a WR in the first couple of rounds that can start from day 1 and Shakir stays in that #3 role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 I want WR in Round 1 AND Round 2 Diggs Rookie Shakir Rookie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TampaBillsJunkie Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: I want WR in Round 1 AND Round 2 Diggs Rookie Shakir Rookie They just need to scout well. LA pulled Puka in the 4th. He should be NFC ROY. We have to take multiple shots, but the first two rounds is not logical given the defensive needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 1 minute ago, TampaBillsJunkie said: They just need to scout well. LA pulled Puka in the 4th. He should be NFC ROY. We have to take multiple shots, but the first two rounds is not logical given the defensive needs. Not logical? This team has a massive need for young offensive weapons. Kincaid was a decent start. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 WR 1 is the problem right now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 14 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: WR 1 is the problem right now... As is QB1 Who would have thought we'd be sitting here with a top defense, highly graded Oline, effective run game, and our one concern with this team would be the passing offense... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 1 minute ago, SWATeam said: As is QB1 Who would have thought we'd be sitting here with a top defense, highly graded Oline, effective run game, and our one concern with this team would be the passing offense... That changes this week. Allen: 385 and 4TDs Diggs: 12 for 177 and 2TDs BOOK IT BABY!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFBillsfan Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 (edited) We MUST add a playmaker to the passing game. Preferably someone with speed and can make contested catches. WR, Safety and DL are 2024 priorities. We were told Harty was going to be the player that brought speed to the WR room but that hasn’t played out for a number of reasons. I really dont understand why they don’t use him more on underneath crossing routes that give a potential for YAC. Edited January 2 by TFBillsfan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heels20X6 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 2 hours ago, BeastMaster said: The Bills are in big trouble if their plan is to try and make Shakir a number 2 receiver. A first or second round pick must be spent on a wide out this upcoming draft, and he needs to have speed No. Money needs to be spent on a quality #2 receiver. We're too far into this version of the team to be spending picks on "possible" WR2s. Unless Marvin Harrison Jr. falls into their laps, they need to find a way to find some money to bring in a true WR2 this offseason. It'll have the added benefit of showing Diggs that they are serious about winning and taking pressure off him so he can perform better. 8 hours ago, dma0034 said: Bills have to draft 2 WRs next draft imo. They need someone to step into a #2 role right away and another WR that can step in for injuries and perhaps replace Diggs after next year. I still need to know what's going on with Diggs. Is he hurt? Is it scheme? Is he dogging it because he wants out? I'll tell you that he gets up to play Ramsey so we'll see. I keep thinking I'm on crazy pills because I saw a tweet that was quickly deleted from one of the Bills beat writers remarking how "amazing that Diggs catch was considering the condition of his shoulder". I think the team is covering up a Diggs injury that he's playing through because, like Tyreek Hill, he's still a very effective decoy if he's on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 3 minutes ago, Heels20X6 said: No. Money needs to be spent on a quality #2 receiver. We're too far into this version of the team to be spending picks on "possible" WR2s. Unless Marvin Harrison Jr. falls into their laps, they need to find a way to find some money to bring in a true WR2 this offseason. It'll have the added benefit of showing Diggs that they are serious about winning and taking pressure off him so he can perform better. I keep thinking I'm on crazy pills because I saw a tweet that was quickly deleted from one of the Bills beat writers remarking how "amazing that Diggs catch was considering the condition of his shoulder". I think the team is covering up a Diggs injury that he's playing through because, like Tyreek Hill, he's still a very effective decoy if he's on the field. The team can't afford to pay a second receiver big money They will have to go the draft route Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert Bills Fan Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 I think the Bills do both: draft a WR in first round and sign a free agent that can be #2 (challenge Diggs for #1 spot). They are set at TE, RB and OL. the rest of available $ and picks will go on defense rebuild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 No! He's fine right where he is in a #3 role. If he plays out of it, fine, but the Bills should not go into next season banking on him being the #2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 It could end up that way, but it would not be ideal, we need to draft and sign 2 WRs this upcoming draft/FA , keep Shakir as a 3 / slot. The WR position needs a talent influx, we also need our OC to integrate WRs, TEs and RBs into a smoothly functioning pass game, without nullifying the run game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Grundy Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 2 hours ago, Rockinon said: I think Shakir can have a Cole Beasley type 1000yd season, but he isn't going to be a #2. We need to draft a #1 receiver while Diggs is still young enough to contribute at a high level(We've seen a bit of a drop off from him...maybe he's banged up). It would really be nice to have that rather than hope that Shakir can fill that role. Those over the middle catches that both Beasley and Shakir do are critical pieces to this offense. They prevent those safeties from zeroing in on the outside receivers. Best case is to keep Shakir in his current role and improve on it, draft a true #1 to pair with Diggs. The passing game has really gone through some growing pains this year, but it's still pretty good. We're seeing production from guys like Shakir and Kincaid. Seems the pass game is still trying to find itself. It's good, just not quite elite good. Get someone that can compete at Diggs level and then we're cooking. For now, Josh needs to put more faith in Shakir and Kincaid. Take some of the weight off of Diggs and Davis. Same. I really like his hands - early season not included. He looks like 100% slot to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 This next draft is loaded at WR. There will be excellent options on day two (2nd and 3rd rounds) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 I agree for WR, we need to find someone in the draft. We also need to start looking at aging vets on defense, like maybe a safety or better depth at LB. Not sure who will be resigned for the DLine. Everyone wants that flashy WR, maybe even 2 of them, but there are so many positions that can not be ignored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damj Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 We will be stupid if we approach the draft thinking he is. We need to address WR with premium picks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 We'd better hope that Diggs doesn't make a stink to get out of here. Anyone convinced that he won't is being naive given the circumstances and playoffs pending. We may very well need #1 and #2 WRs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 If he is we totally whiffed this coming off-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 This would be as bad as thinking Josh Reed could be a number 2. KS has done some good things but if you don’t think Davis is good enough as a #2, it would be even worst with Shakir. He has very average physical skills. He is fine as a 3/4. Expecting more from him would be setting yourself up for disappointment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 (edited) I like Shakir's game a lot. Shifty, strong and a real threat as a YAC guy. But, as others have said, he has some physical limitations that keep him from being a true #2 (or #1). I see him as our long-term starting slot, assuming we can somehow land a big speedy outside threat to take over for Gabe. Edit: One thing I don't understand is people calling Shakir slow. He ran a 4.43 40, roughly the same speed as guys like James Cook and Jahan Dotson. He's not slow at all. His biggest issue is his short arms/catch radius. Edited January 2 by TheBrownBear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 Khalil reeks of "role player" to me. An excellent #3 option for the slot, but not a player who can succeed on the outside. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 1 hour ago, SWATeam said: As is QB1 Who would have thought we'd be sitting here with a top defense, highly graded Oline, effective run game, and our one concern with this team would be the passing offense... QB!? that's a very difficult argument to make. He has scored more TDs than any player in the league. The O-line looks good because of Josh's ability to run away from it. Minus Cook's 3 big games this season, the "effective running game" is, effectively, again, Josh Allen. Despite a bad game Sunday, QB1 is not the problem. He has stopped targeting WR2 and WR1 disappeared nearly 3 months ago. Diggs couldn't find separation in Michael Strahan's front teeth. He's averaged 37 YPG over the past 7 games---and that's with 55 targets. The Bills have to get bigger, stronger, better at WR1 this off season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hsker4life Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 No. I like him. But he’s not a 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 I'm all in on making a play for top drafted wr to take the #2 roll and eventially move to #1 WR Shakir is developing into a solid utility type of WR. I see him getting plenty of playing time moving forward, and forsee him filling in a niche roll similiar to Beasley did for us. However we need a solid #2 who is capable of developing into our #1 WR, and I don't feel Shakir would excel in those spots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jethro_tull Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 He has some developing to do. At this point- no. This team needs two bonafide deep treat wide outs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 If he can beat out our 1st round rookie WR pick from April then I guess so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 he might have to be for one season unless we can get an FA on the cheap. We're going to need at least 1 if not two Safeties, a couple of DEs, a starting DT, a top 3 WR, a CB or two, a Center prospect. We won't be able to get them all, so Beane will have to prioritize what we can live without. My guess is that WR #2 gets deprioritized for a year while they get more big men and secondary support. We're going to need a lot of cap help as we're currently getting significant contributions from 6 players under $2M and most of those guys are all due huge raises (Epenesa, Davis, Jackson, Dodson) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthomas Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 i see the BILLS addressing the WR spot in both the draft & FA. Bringing in multiple rookie wr's into this offense at the same time seems like a risky move for next season. It'd be safer from a production standpoint if there were a veteran WR who could step right in & perform from day 1. The need is severe enough for Beane to look everywhere imho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 100 Receptions 1096 yards 8 TDs Yeah he's in decline say's I sarcastically. I do agree though that a new receiver, a 1B receiver would make the Offense much better. Someone who can step into the 1A job when Diggs leaves in a couple years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 5 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said: If he can beat out our 1st round rookie WR pick from April then I guess so. then we picked the wrong WR in April.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 7 hours ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said: This next draft is loaded at WR. There will be excellent options on day two (2nd and 3rd rounds) You’re right. There will be. Hopefully we take one even after we use our first rounder on a receiver. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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