Per Benjamin Allbright, McDermott's "seat is warm"

[PromoTheRobot]

25 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

There’s definitely not a hot name. But Seahawks OC Shane Waldron is my guy. Not a top offense but has done enough with turning around Geno Smith’s career to want me to see what he could do with Allen. Also comes from the Sean McVay tree.

 

The biggest thing though is they need a smart leader. I don’t need just an OC at head coach. They have to be able to lead the entire team. What is the defensive philosophy? Who are DC candidates? It all matters. I’m not just looking for the top ranked offenses.

 

Wes Phillips is another guy I would definitely talk to. 

 

He could be great. He could be a dud. All I know is the Bills in their history never improved on the coach they replaced. It's an awful streak. Only Levi-to-Wade Phillips went from one playoff coach to another. The rest were all steps backwards.

[Niagara Dude]

17 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Sean Mcdermott is 0-6 in overtime despite having one of the best QBs on the planet.  I’d fire him as soon as the season ends.  It’s over.

You would think with an OT record like that they would he would be far more aggressive, the kneel down with 20 secs left should everyone they learned nothing from 13 secs.  Played not to lose ,  his defence was pathetic with very soft zones

[Royale with Cheese]

5 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

He could be great. He could be a dud. All I know is the Bills in their history never improved on the coach they replaced. It's an awful streak. Only Levi-to-Wade Phillips went from one playoff coach to another. The rest were all steps backwards.

 

The difference this time is that we have solid ownership and a franchise QB.  This will be a coveted team.  Any top candidate would be interested to coach here now.

15 years ago years ago, Mike Shanahan didn't want to coach here.  If it were today and these circumstances, he would accept now.  You can convince your wife to move to Buffalo if you have Josh Allen.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

12 hours ago, Big Turk said:

Evaluating at the end of the year and actually doing something about it are totally different things.  He is not going anywhere, IMO.

They just extended him in June, as well. 

[drummernut74]

Kim Pegula also said that the Sabres fans didn't know what they were talking about when it came to Jason Botterrill, and the team and "more information that the fans didn't have" ... then he was fired 3 week later

Edited November 27, 2023 by drummernut74

[Cray51]

12 hours ago, buffalobillswin said:

I imagine the Bills having their pick of potential head coaches. No one is turning down coaching Allen.

 

Ben Johnson?

Ben Johnson was made a mockery by the Green Bay defense.  I think OC wise he is great, but he is Daboll like to me.

[MikePJ76]

He is rich.  I am sure his BMW has heated seats and a heated steering wheel.

[Allen2Moulds]

I'm intrigued by Slowik.

[Neo]

13 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

his seat should be on FIRE.  He should be gone unless we make the playoffs.  Period.  Why do NFL coaches get such a long leash with mediocracy year after year.  Killed Rivers career in San Diego, Marino in Miami, etc.  And will kill Allen's here.  College coaches are on the hot seat if they don't win big games.  Hockey coaches, same.  For some reason NFL coaches like McD and Tomlin get forever.  This isn't 1 thing with McD.  His defensive meltdowns, unprepared teams, and horrible in game decisions are "the process".  

The “some reason” for Tomlin is a super bowl victory (youngest coach ever), a .636 winning percentage (11th best in NFL history) in 16 seasons.

 

Since joining the Steelers in 2007, he has led the team to ten playoff runs, seven division titles, three AFC Championship Games, two Super Bowl appearances, and a title in Super Bowl XLIII.

 

Just sayin’ … there are a lot of coaches you can link to your legitimate question.   I’m not sure Tomlin’s one of them.

[Not at the table Karlos]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

The difference this time is that we have solid ownership and a franchise QB.  This will be a coveted team.  Any top candidate would be interested to coach here now.

15 years ago years ago, Mike Shanahan didn't want to coach here.  If it were today and these circumstances, he would accept now.  You can convince your wife to move to Buffalo if you have Josh Allen.

Could def be wrong but wasn’t the rumor Shanahan was gonna come but his wife said no. 
 

Edit. Could be a couple coaches I’m thinking of. I’ll look for a link and edit again. 
 

could only find stuff about us interviewing him. Nada about why we didn’t. 
 

edit no3. Reading comprehension… smh I didn’t catch the wife part at bottom. I’m an idiot. My bad 

Edited November 27, 2023 by Not at the table Karlos

[pocoboy]

The best cliche analogy I can come up with when it comes to McDermott and a big game is "bringing a knife to a gunfight."

 

[SectionC3]

I’m fine with moving on from McD, but there better be a plan as to his replacement when he’s canned.  We don’t have time for someone to learn on the job.  I’d even be fine with bringing McD back next year if the preferred replacement is currently unavailable, with the idea that McD hires a DC, lets the OC (probably Brady, at this point) do his thing, and simply is the HC. 

[stuvian]

13 hours ago, Shanahan's Horseshoe said:

bring me harbaugh 

 

I'd rather have an established winning psycho than another up and comer whose going to learn on the job while Josh's best years slip away. For once in this team's history can we bring in a proven commodity at HC? 

[Buffalo Super Fan]

13 hours ago, Bangarang said:

I’m not opposed to firing McD. I’m just worried more about Pegula replacing him with someone better

Shouldn’t be afraid of change. I get it Terry Pegula doesn’t give one a lot of confidence but he hired Sean McDermott so he gets credit for that. I am trying to be fair as possible with Terry Pegula. But it’s hard for me because as Bills fans know by my posts I can’t stand him as owner of both the Buffalo Bills and Buffalo Sabres.
 

But Terry Pegula gets credit for hiring Sean McDermott who was the right coach at the right time. I thank Sean McDermott for his contributions to the Buffalo Bills team as a Bills fan but it is time for Sean McDermott to go he has taken the Bills as far as he is capable. The Bills need new leadership from the head coaching position and I haven’t forgotten about GM Brandon Breane he isn’t without blame either because his choices on money to free agents like Von Miller is a disaster the Bills are stuck with next season. I wouldn’t be shocked if Sean McDermott and Brandon Beane were fired together at some point as a wake up call to the Bills organization we will see in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

[Nephilim17]

Best news, if true, I've heard about the Bills in a long time.

 

My dream scenario is Josh continues to play at a high level but we have a losing record thanks to more defensive collapses. That should help push MdD out of here.

I absolutely do not want a 9-8 "winning" record. Moral victories like that will hurt this team more in the long run by keeping McChoke around. Get a new offensive-specialist head coach and use the second half of Josh's prime properly.

[corta765]

14 hours ago, Since1981 said:

The bills HC job is highly desirable this time. Kudos to McBean but it’s time for McDermott to go. 

 

Yep. I am really against moving from GMs who do a good job which Beane has done. The biggest mistakes and blunders are coaching not player talent or depth. He has had his misses as Knox contract and Von are looking bad, but overall you want your GM to find starters and have the cap in a workable position which he has been doing. This offseason for Beane is big though as I have mentioned on here he will have 9 picks, the ability to open 40-50 mil in cap space, and you should expect some long time vets like Poyer and Morse to leave. He has a lot of resources how he chooses to use them will 100% drive where this team goes over the next 5-6 years.

[PBF81]

3 minutes ago, corta765 said:

 

Yep. I am really against moving from GMs who do a good job which Beane has done. The biggest mistakes and blunders are coaching not player talent or depth. He has had his misses as Knox contract and Von are looking bad, but overall you want your GM to find starters and have the cap in a workable position which he has been doing. This offseason for Beane is big though as I have mentioned on here he will have 9 picks, the ability to open 40-50 mil in cap space, and you should expect some long time vets like Poyer and Morse to leave. He has a lot of resources how he chooses to use them will 100% drive where this team goes over the next 5-6 years.

 

In this case I'm completely for moving on from a GM that drafts Allen but nearly nothing to support him.  

 

That demonstrates an extreme lack of awareness of the team's current situation. 

 

 

Edited November 27, 2023 by PBF81

[Donuts and Doritos]

McDermott plays not to loose instead of playing to win. 

 

When is the last time his in game coaching decisions won us a close game (I mean him specifically not the coordinators or players)? 

 

Not going for it w/ 20 seconds. Not squib kicking w/ 13 seconds.

[SCBills]

This is the year to make the change.  Only thing that should save McDermott is 5-0 and a run in the Playoffs, and that would be mainly because it likely means Joe Brady is a beast as OC and we're willing to run it back to keep him in the mix.  

 

The Offense, for the most part, returns. 

 

All starting 5 OL, plus Bates, Anderson and Van Demark.  Allen, Diggs, Shakir, Kincaid, Knox, Cook.

 

Gabe is 50/50 and it looks like we'll cut Harty to clear 4M.  This means WR should be a heavy focus this off-season.  And if we miss the playoffs, one of those 5-7 WR1 potential guys should be there for us.

 

The Defense will need a machete taken to it.  At this point, especially if McDermott is let go, I'd let Hyde walk, cut Poyer, cut White and focus on re-signing Floyd.  Maybe Jones & Epenesa, if they are willing to take team friendly deals.   Circa Chiefs '21, draft a bunch of DB's and some DT's to get younger.

 

Edited November 27, 2023 by SCBills

[MikePJ76]

1 hour ago, Neo said:

The “some reason” for Tomlin is a super bowl victory (youngest coach ever), a .636 winning percentage (11th best in NFL history) in 16 seasons.

 

Since joining the Steelers in 2007, he has led the team to ten playoff runs, seven division titles, three AFC Championship Games, two Super Bowl appearances, and a title in Super Bowl XLIII.

 

Just sayin’ … there are a lot of coaches you can link to your legitimate question.   I’m not sure Tomlin’s one of them.

Since Bill Cowher and Dick Lebeau's players left he doesn't have much of a resume to boast.  He looks like most other teams and coaches.  Makes the playoffs sometimes and pretty much loses.  He even has a win over the bengals he had no right to win in the playoffs which makes his last 10 years not that great.

[Jauronimo]

14 hours ago, NoSaint said:

someone worse also wont win a super bowl

 

someone better could

 

such is life, you have to take a swing 

In this case better is a pretty high bar if wins and losses are the criteria for measurement.

[DuckyBoys]

39 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

I’m fine with moving on from McD, but there better be a plan as to his replacement when he’s canned.  We don’t have time for someone to learn on the job.  I’d even be fine with bringing McD back next year if the preferred replacement is currently unavailable, with the idea that McD hires a DC, lets the OC (probably Brady, at this point) do his thing, and simply is the HC. 

none of that will happen  McDermott will dig in even more with his over management style

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, Neo said:

The “some reason” for Tomlin is a super bowl victory (youngest coach ever), a .636 winning percentage (11th best in NFL history) in 16 seasons.

 

Since joining the Steelers in 2007, he has led the team to ten playoff runs, seven division titles, three AFC Championship Games, two Super Bowl appearances, and a title in Super Bowl XLIII.

 

Just sayin’ … there are a lot of coaches you can link to your legitimate question.   I’m not sure Tomlin’s one of them.

 

His defense doesn't fold at the end of games very often.  Sometimes, but most of the time they win it...especially this year.

[TheFunPolice]

He's going to get fired if the Bills miss the playoffs.

 

Sal has turned, which means the organization has turned. 

[Big Turk]

2 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said:

none of that will happen  McDermott will dig in even more with his over management style

 

Not if Pegula tells him it's not happening.  It's hard for me not to think McD taking on more with the DC role on top of being HC hasn't led to SOME of what we are seeing this year.  Seems very coincidental that it would happen in the same year as that when we were 10-6, 13-3, 11-6 and 13-3 the 4 years prior.

[SectionC3]

6 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said:

none of that will happen  McDermott will dig in even more with his over management style

That assumes he has a choice.  

[Jauronimo]

53 minutes ago, pocoboy said:

The best cliche analogy I can come up with when it comes to McDermott and a big game is "bringing a knife to a gunfight."

 

Do keep us updated if you come up with a better cliche.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Feels like a lindy ruff type of situation.  NFL has an accelerated timeline with fewer games and such - but i don't know how you can walk away from this season thinking this is the guy getting us over the hump.  

 

If he can drag this team into the playoffs - its tough not to give him another year.  When your #1 LB, CB, DT are all out for the year, and your #1 pass rusher is a ghost - its really hard to have something resembling a competent defense, let alone a leading unit.  

 

End of the day - there were issues offensively early on, they got worse as the season went on and we probably waited too long to move on from dorsey.  

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

12 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

In fairness to Pegula, Allen wasn't on the team back then.  

 

We were struggling to find a QB, and going with someone focused on D was not necessarily a bad move.  I'd question why McD, but otherwise it was a different situation. 

 

Now we know what we have Allen, and the next coach should be carefully interviewed to see what they'd do with Allen and the offense, not a defense that keeps choking in the biggest of situations.  

 

What is Pegula's fault and what was stupid and unwise, was extending McBeane without first seeing how at least the first half of this season played out.  

 

From a fan perspective the nice thing about that is that it doesn't impact the cap, it's purely money out of Pegula's pocket, which frankly, he deserves for being stupid enough to extend McBeane when there was no need to before seeing how our first half played out.  

 

 

 

Certainly having a QB of Allen's capability, makes the range of error much larger in who you  might choose, though that's kind of what we have now too.  McD has made the playoffs and had a significant winning record in 5 of the 6 (maybe 7) years he's been here  Certainly would go for an offensive minded coach, person may be great with the X's and O's but doesn't always translate to being a good HC.  So there is still a risk.

 

The other question then is who's going to do the interviewing.  Assuming Pegula keeps Beane, likely would fall on him.  In fairness to him, he's never hired a HC before, likely never even interviewed one.  Maybe he participated in the process when the Panthers fired Rivera and hired the next guy??  If you also axed Beane, makes it even tougher.   Makes it tricky and a crap shoot to some level on who you hire.  I suppose Pegula could talk to his good buddy JJ for advise. 

 

Also have to wonder a bit if Pegula's major focus these days is taking care of his wife and may not want to deal with any of this and keep McD around for another year with promises from him of major staff and roster changes.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

14 hours ago, KHAN said:

I'm fine with that. Pegula has to sign off on it, but Beane will find the coach.

I don’t see any way you fire McDermott and not Bean

Edited November 27, 2023 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Roundybout]

25 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

He's going to get fired if the Bills miss the playoffs.

 

Sal has turned, which means the organization has turned. 

Did he say something on WGR? I’m at work, can’t listen today 

[NoSaint]

39 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

In this case better is a pretty high bar if wins and losses are the criteria for measurement.

how about playoff wins and losses?

[corta765]

31 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

He's going to get fired if the Bills miss the playoffs.

 

Sal has turned, which means the organization has turned. 

 

The messaging coming from OBD has 100% shifted and it is noticeable.

[Rocbillsfan1]

14 hours ago, Hsker4life said:

He’s got to go. He is a defensive guy and his defense has choked at the biggest moments. His decision to kneel the ball with 20 seconds and 1 timeout (should have been 2) is how he’s coached his entire time year. Great culture guy, lousy manager.

Could have been 3 timeouts if it wasn’t for his stupid defensive timeouts that never work. He gave up a first down after using it. 

[Neo]

44 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

Since Bill Cowher and Dick Lebeau's players left he doesn't have much of a resume to boast.  He looks like most other teams and coaches.  Makes the playoffs sometimes and pretty much loses.  He even has a win over the bengals he had no right to win in the playoffs which makes his last 10 years not that great.

Right ……

[Alphadawg7]

I don’t have time to read 16 pages this morning, is there any additional talk/rumors of him being fired or is this just 16 pages talking about the topic off that first tweet in the OP?

[Captain Hindsight]

4 minutes ago, corta765 said:

 

The messaging coming from OBD has 100% shifted and it is noticeable.

For those of us who cannot stomach listening to WGR, could you give a synopsis 

[Jauronimo]

10 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

how about playoff wins and losses?

Also a tough metric to improve on unless Andy Reid gets fired.  

[Cheektowaga Chad]

10 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I don’t have time to read 16 pages this morning, is there any additional talk/rumors of him being fired or is this just 16 pages talking about the topic off that first tweet in the OP?

No there isn't, at least not that I've seen 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

47 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

He's going to get fired if the Bills miss the playoffs.

 

Sal has turned, which means the organization has turned. 

This is true. Sal’s a pretty big homer, he must know they’re turning.