RD 2, Pick 59: G O’Cyrus Torrence, Florida

[Prospector]

I had my top players at positions of need, 

and Dalton Kincaid and O'Cyrus Torrence were top of their categories! amazing draft!

[Warcodered]

 

 

[90sBills]

What a great pick! A mountain of a man to protect Allen. Guys complaining about this pick are nuts. Great draft so far. Improve OL. Another weapon for Allen to throw to. Let’s get it done next season. No more excuses!

[Buffalo Barbarian]

I like players like Torrence but all our interior line are athletic and mobile and dont think he is a good scheme fit. Its like drafting a 34 defensive end who are big and strong (AJ Epenesa) and trying to make them fit into a smaller faster 43 scheme.

 

I hope he works out but the pick doesnt make sense.

 

 

[Buffalo716]

13 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

I like players like Torrence but all our interior line are athletic and mobile and dont think he is a good scheme fit. Its like drafting a 34 defensive end who are big and strong (AJ Epenesa) and trying to make them fit into a smaller faster 43 scheme.

 

I hope he works out but the pick doesnt make sense.

 

 

AJ Epenesa is not big enough or long enough to be a 34 end… The prototype is 6 foot five 310 pounds

 

JJ Watt is a smalller 34 end at 6’5 295…  compared to Muhammad Wilkerson at 6’6 315 … Epenesa is not a prototype 34 end 

 

Every single guard drafted unless your name is Quinton Nelson or Zack Martin is developmental… We got a guard who is pro bowl caliber with the right development

Edited April 29, 2023 by Buffalo716

[QCity]

5 hours ago, DCofNC said:

Quick, without googling, who is the KC MLB?

 

I think a better question is who doesn't know Nick Bolton is their MLB? I mean he was 2nd in the league in tackles lol

[Big Blitz]

 

[Buffalo716]

11 minutes ago, QCity said:

 

I think a better question is who doesn't know Nick Bolton is their MLB? I mean he was 2nd in the league in tackles lol

To be fair Preston Brown led the league in tackles

 

Doesn’t make him a stud…. It means you were picked on

 

People tried to avoid Ray Lewis and Brian Urlacher…. You could rack up 170 tackles as a middle linebacker because you are attacked and can wrap up

Edited April 29, 2023 by Buffalo716

[Jay_Fixit]

6 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Boom!!!!!  Love it

100% you loved Cyrus Kouandjio as well.

 

Lets be realistic. You just love that you’ve heard of him.

 

Love it. Lol.

[Chandler#81]

3 hours ago, Warcodered said:

 

 

Thank you for posting this. I hadn’t heard of this podcast before but the guy seems to know what to look for in players. 
 

Me thinks we got a STEAL in Rd. 2!

[ProcessTruster]

Great pick in a weak draft.  More offense please.  

[Alphadawg7]

52 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said:

100% you loved Cyrus Kouandjio as well.

 

Lets be realistic. You just love that you’ve heard of him.

 

Love it. Lol.

Lol, not the case at all, but ok

[nucci]

8 hours ago, MWK said:

Fantastic pick. Protecting Josh!!!

also the running game

[Not at the table Karlos]

3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

AJ Epenesa is not big enough or long enough to be a 34 end… The prototype is 6 foot five 310 pounds

 

JJ Watt is a small 34 end at 6’5 295… Epenesa is not a 34 end 

 

Every single guard drafted unless your name is Quinton Nelson or Zack Martin is developmental… We got a guard who is pro bowl caliber with the right development

Lol what.. Epenesa was like 6’6” 280 coming out of college.  There def was talk of him being more of a 34 end like they said. The Bills made him lose weight and completely change his body. 

 

Looking at a bunch of 34 DEs over the years and there’s a whole lot that are 6’5” 285 (the first 4 that came up in search were all smaller than your 6’5” 300 lb prototype) so idk where you’re getting that’s too small because that is incorrect. 

Edited April 29, 2023 by Not at the table Karlos

[Bill from NYC]

This is just fantastic!

 

Let's hope that this important piece of the puzzle makes an immediate impact!

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

Here’s to hoping that Beane will have atoned for the Ford pick in the second round 

[machine gun kelly]

Im happy with the draft so far.  We have a game changing TE, monster Guard, and a tackling machine in a LB.

 

We won’t know for three years, and far too many on this board make decisions after one game.  Give it time and to quote a great coach “Trust the process”.

[Manther]

9 hours ago, gobills404 said:

Bills have 5 starting caliber players on the iOL now. Beane should try to flip one of them for a pick.

No, keep them, we will need them.

9 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

But can he play C, or is he strictly a G?  and if a G, L or R?

 

The biggest IOL in the draft does not play C.  I do not know for sure, but, I don't think a C has ever been this big in the NFL.  He is a G and Guard only.  Very excited about the pick.

[Magox]

Was reading some things about him and the key points I found interesting.

 

- Excelled at Louisiana as a freshman - Freshman All American team

- All sunbelt conference his sophomore and junior years

- Wanted to take it to next level and goes to Florida and becomes consensus first team All American

- Goes to Senior Bowl and has stand out performance

- Did very well against Jalen Carter when he matched up against him

- Had high pass and run blocking grades consistently throughout his collegiate career

- Never gave up a single sack or QB knockdown his senior year with Florida against top SEC competition

- Never gave up a sack in over 3000 snaps his entire collegiate career

- Didn’t have a single penalty called against him at Florida his senior year

 

All this guy has ever done is been consistently very good everywhere he has gone.

[Manther]

9 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Gonna have to give me some time on this one.

 

As someone who spent the last 2 months banging the board for the Bills to draft IOL, Torrence was my least favorite prospect. Would rather have snagged Tippman or Schmitz.

 

Torrence reminds me too much of Cody Ford.

 

I hope he does well. I appreciate the pick at OL. But I'll have to come around on this one in time.

I liked Tippman and Schmitz too.  I didn't like Torrence in the 1st, but, I am good with him in the 2nd.  I hear what you are saying exactly.  But, I think the value is too good to pass on at #59.

[Niagara Bill]

Rookie o line guys usually struggle with the long season, camp, weight, practicing against real talent, playbook, mental pressures. If they start game 1 then by 8 or 9 they are sitting a bit. Most players, especially o-line follow this pattern. If he can follow this pattern and step forward to give us real solid play for 12 of our 20 games on journey to SB I will be thrilled.

[flmike]

Love that the film shows he knows exactly how long he can hold before the flag comes. Football smarts. Too bad he is a Gator though. My Seminoles roughed up his team this year. I'd be curious to see how he held up that game.

[BuffaloBillyG]

5 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

I like players like Torrence but all our interior line are athletic and mobile and dont think he is a good scheme fit. Its like drafting a 34 defensive end who are big and strong (AJ Epenesa) and trying to make them fit into a smaller faster 43 scheme.

 

I hope he works out but the pick doesnt make sense.

 

 

One of the biggest issues last season was once the ball was snapped Allen would have immediate pressure coming right up the middle. This would cause him to have to either roll out quickly, get the ball out too fast or eat a quick sack. This ends that issue. 

 

Torrence is not going to get driven back much. And as a mountain of dude you aren't going to get around him fast. And once he locks on to someone they are toast. 

 

He's not going to be asked to pull and lead block side to side very often. But what he will do is wall off the defender at the point of attack and drive him out of the play. This will really work well in tandem with Harris and his ability to hit a hole fast get upfield.  

 

[TheBeaneBandit]

Do we take a flyer on Vorhees in the 6th if he's still there and let him rehab a year? I'm thinking by then who's really gonna help anyway why not completely upgrade your interior within two years. By then McGovern could battle Bates for center with Mitch most likely retiring. Cost control on the interior folks.

[foreboding]

Mauler. Best guard in the draft...at the bottom of the 2nd!

 

Welcome to Buffalo, Cybo (his nickname, short for cyborg).

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

7 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

Do we take a flyer on Vorhees in the 6th if he's still there and let him rehab a year?

Might be a viable strategy, but it also seems like stopping at the rack in the produce department where they sell the wilted lettuce and bruised bananas. 🤔

[MAJBobby]

With him I would rather put him on the LG position I dont think the Bills will do that.  If he becomes the RT, the issue I have it both your RT and RG now have lateral movement limitations.  

[LyndonvilleBill]

25 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

Do we take a flyer on Vorhees in the 6th if he's still there and let him rehab a year? I'm thinking by then who's really gonna help anyway why not completely upgrade your interior within two years. By then McGovern could battle Bates for center with Mitch most likely retiring. Cost control on the interior folks.

I would if he's still there.😁

[Dr. Who]

7 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

With him I would rather put him on the LG position I dont think the Bills will do that.  If he becomes the RT, the issue I have it both your RT and RG now have lateral movement limitations.  

He's got to be a guard.

[MAJBobby]

Just now, Dr. Who said:

He's got to be a guard.

Yes and I would prefer he play LG, because his Lateral Movement limitations next to Spencer Browns Lateral Movement problems. Will hurt  

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

Yes and I would prefer he play LG, because his Lateral Movement limitations next to Spencer Browns Lateral Movement problems. Will hurt  

Like others, I don't understand how they are putting the line together. Can you plausibly synthesize mauler types like Torrence and RAS athletic types like Brown? It seems badly mismatched. Shouldn't someone who is paid to ask questions ask for an explanation of the rationale from Beane or Kromer? I fear they don't have one. They take good players and think they can somehow make it work.

[BuffaloBill]

11 hours ago, Big Turk said:

Brandon Beane have a draft why don't ya...

 

 

 

IS THIS YOU?  

[CaptnCoke11]

6 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Like others, I don't understand how they are putting the line together. Can you plausibly synthesize mauler types like Torrence and RAS athletic types like Brown? It seems badly mismatched. Shouldn't someone who is paid to ask questions ask for an explanation of the rationale from Beane or Kromer? I fear they don't have one. They take good players and think they can somehow make it work.

What i don’t understand is what people act like the has cement in his shoes.  He’s pretty athletic for a guy his size 

[The Wiz]

32 minutes ago, foreboding said:

Mauler. Best guard in the draft...at the bottom of the 2nd!

 

Welcome to Buffalo, Cybo (his nickname, short for cyborg).

He has a nickname for his nickname?

 

😆

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

What i don’t understand is what people act like the has cement in his shoes.  He’s pretty athletic for a guy his size 

He's a north south guy. The RAS fellas are predicated on lateral movement. In isolation, you can justify either approach.

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

5 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

What i don’t understand is what people act like the has cement in his shoes.  He’s pretty athletic for a guy his size 

 

It's hard to get upset about something if there is nothing to get upset about

[MAJBobby]

10 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Like others, I don't understand how they are putting the line together. Can you plausibly synthesize mauler types like Torrence and RAS athletic types like Brown? It seems badly mismatched. Shouldn't someone who is paid to ask questions ask for an explanation of the rationale from Beane or Kromer? I fear they don't have one. They take good players and think they can somehow make it work.

I think the OL is in a slight transition.  Last year their lack of POWER in the interior was evident.  Basic OL Build thinking your left side is your Finesse and move side, your Right is your Power Side (Historical thinking) So I think they are looking to get more power inside to deal with the Jones, Wilkins, Donalds.  Our Interior was pushed around ALOT last year.  That has was the issue with the OL.  And they are looking to address it.  

 

Torrence can get better laterally once in a NFL weight room and change his body a bit.  I think he plays 10 lbs too heavy.  

[The Wiz]

Just now, Tom Donahoe, GM said:

 

It's hard to get upset about something if there is nothing to get upset about

You obviously don't spend a lot of time on the internet.  

[balln]

42 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Might be a viable strategy, but it also seems like stopping at the rack in the produce department where they sell the wilted lettuce and bruised bananas. 🤔

Im all good with that. Those bruised banana make some great banana bread 

[Coldfronts]

2 hours ago, Niagara Bill said:

Rookie o line guys usually struggle with the long season, camp, weight, practicing against real talent, playbook, mental pressures. If they start game 1 then by 8 or 9 they are sitting a bit. Most players, especially o-line follow this pattern. If he can follow this pattern and step forward to give us real solid play for 12 of our 20 games on journey to SB I will be thrilled.

maybe, but the guy does not move around much and is hard to move so hard so how tired can he get