Lamar Jackson wants guarantees that exceed Watson contract

[NewEra]

8 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I think Bateman is talented but it doesn’t really matter if you don’t play. He’s missed 16 games in 2 years. He was supposed to be their one  after they traded away brown. Dobbins is always hurt. I’m not even sure if they’re other receivers off the top of my head. It is not a talented group and the most talented players are always hurt.

 

I actually think Davis is the perfect type of receiver for Jackson. 

Can’t argue with that.  Gotta be able to play.  The guy was never injured in college. Can’t stay healthy in B-more.  
 

Healthy, I think he’s better than Gabe.  
 

 

[Scott7975]

9 hours ago, chongli said:

 

But he's already missed something like $70million by not signing an extension sooner like Josh. This was mentioned by Mike Florio last week or so. I don't see missing $32 million more to be a problem for him. I think he also said he was not going to play for the Ravens this year unless they used the non-exclusive tag on him ($45 million I think). He's bull-headed.

 

if he sits out he doesn’t get an accrued year and the ravens can just tag him again next season. 

[SCBills]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Um, Hollywood brown was better with Lamar than he was in Arizona. Andrews was a 3rd round rookie with Lamar. It’s Lamar’s fault that Bateman is made of glass? 
 

this is just blatantly wrong. 

 

They've invested heavier on Offense around Lamar than the Bills have around Allen.  

 

Maybe Lamar needs a Diggs.. he has Andrews, but Stefon Diggs type WR's don't want to play with Lamar, so....

[Doc]

32 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

if he sits out he doesn’t get an accrued year and the ravens can just tag him again next season. 

 

True but the tag will be higher and tie up more of the cap.

[DrDawkinstein]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Um, Hollywood brown was better with Lamar than he was in Arizona. Andrews was a 3rd round rookie with Lamar. It’s Lamar’s fault that Bateman is made of glass? 
 

this is just blatantly wrong. 

 

All that means is Lamar is better at elevating WRs than Kyler Murray, which isnt saying much since both QBs stink.

 

 

 

Edited March 20, 2023 by DrDawkinstein

[TheFunPolice]

The more I think of it, if you're a star QB in this league isn't your contract basically guaranteed anyway?

 

Let's say the Ravens sign him 5 years, $250 million but only 1/2 is guaranteed. If he plays well and is who he is he will see every penny, because he would have to agree to a restructure of they would have to cut him. Otherwise, he will get the $$. 

 

Josh Allen will see every penny of his contract here, and then some, regardless of guarantees. 

Edited March 20, 2023 by TheFunPolice

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

51 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

They've invested heavier on Offense around Lamar than the Bills have around Allen.  

 

Maybe Lamar needs a Diggs.. he has Andrews, but Stefon Diggs type WR's don't want to play with Lamar, so....

Ravens I guess are targeting WR who have to want to win first and foremost.

 

now every NFL receiver will tell the media all they care about is winning and that their own individual production come secondary.

 

which is a lie.  Why do we know?

 

Only Patrick Mahomes has a higher Winning Percentage of starting QBs with more than 50 games played (okay and Jimmy G).

 

Lamar … wins.

 

But that isn’t good enough for WRs who “just want to win”.  Which they don’t.

 

 

[chongli]

1 hour ago, Scott7975 said:

 

if he sits out he doesn’t get an accrued year and the ravens can just tag him again next season. 

 

Thanks. I was thinking he might just show his anger by not reporting until the 12th game. This way, although he would get less of a salary, he would still get an accrued Sesson credit, and the second tag the next year would be more expensive. He probably won't do that, as someone else mentioned, but I am just thinking of the possibilities in this case, since it is so bizarre.

[ddaryl]

I'm thinking Lamar in the end will be a classic example of why "a Bird in the hand is better than 2 in the bush"

[benderbender]

11 hours ago, Doc said:

Huh?  What's that about Belicheat?

I think it would be interesting to see which narrative would win out? The current one or the old reliable. 

 

Right now the media narrative is that the Watson deal didn’t happen and Lamar is a tyrant diva who accidentally donates his time to kids and money to charity. He fumbles the ball to receivers hands for TDs but he can only run. Most of his injuries are due to butterfly wing pulses because he’s made of tissue paper. 

 

But if NE traded for Lamar, the old chestnut narrative of BB being Stephen Hawking of football would probably win out. He’d be lauded for being smarter than everyone else yet again. Because Bellicheat is the goat and outsmarts the waiter at Olive Garden at lunch subconsciously. The waiter gives him money at the end. Bill would be outthinking the entire NFL and locking up his franchise QB for years. 

[Gunsgoodtime]

3 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

He's gonna have to do a bit more if he wants to copy the Deshaun Watson model.

It's Baltimore, I'm sure he has a nice rub n tug right around the corner somewhere 

[Punching Bag]

4 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

I see the same possibility with Aaron Rodgers. Sportscasters are touting the Jets as super bowl contenders but I can't see it. Rodgers is old (for football), very rich, and seems to have other things on his mind besides football. I for one expect him to get injured and sit out much of the season.

 

Keep in mind I have no factual basis to make this prediction LOL. Call it a strong hunch.

 

I see no desire for Rodgers to get a second ring but have some better weapons might be enough.  JEST might decide to go all out this year aka LA Rams to get their 2nd Superbowl career win. Will Joe Namath lend him his coat?

[ColoradoBills]

2 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

The more I think of it, if you're a star QB in this league isn't your contract basically guaranteed anyway?

 

Let's say the Ravens sign him 5 years, $250 million but only 1/2 is guaranteed. If he plays well and is who he is he will see every penny, because he would have to agree to a restructure of they would have to cut him. Otherwise, he will get the $$. 

 

Josh Allen will see every penny of his contract here, and then some, regardless of guarantees. 

 

Yes, and I have said the same.  The only way Josh doesn't get all of the money in his contract would be a career ending injury.

Another key point any agent would be stressing.

[Scott7975]

4 hours ago, Doc said:

 

True but the tag will be higher and tie up more of the cap.

Really? I thought if they don’t accrue the season then it doesn’t count. Like when Star sat out Covid year the contract that year didn’t count. 

[H2o]

It trips me out how these "analysts" and the sports media crowd keeps trying to say, "this team should trade for Lamar. No, this team should trade for Lamar. Lamar makes the most sense here. Lamar should be the top priority of (blank)." I mean really, do they even think about the drivel before it tumbles out of their mouths? Then they act like it's a conspiracy or some kind of travesty that no one is doing the things they are suggesting. Two first round picks to the Ravens and the guy wants a contract with the most GUARANTEED $$$ in the history of the NFL. It's not rocket science. It's two 1sts and a contract that could set your franchise back for years to come, especially if Lamar suffers a play style altering injury. It's a huge risk for a guy who has missed at least 5 games per year the last two due to injury. This is why the analysts and sports media crowd aren't GM's or owners. Because they would fall flat. He also should've coughed up the 2 or 3 % and hired Drew Rosenhaus. He would've been sitting on a nice guarantee by now. Maybe not the Watson contract, because the Browns are idiots, but he would have gotten more than Russell Wilson or Kyler Murray I bet. 

Edited March 20, 2023 by H2o

[Behindenemylines]

10 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

I see the same possibility with Aaron Rodgers. Sportscasters are touting the Jets as super bowl contenders but I can't see it. Rodgers is old (for football), very rich, and seems to have other things on his mind besides football. I for one expect him to get injured and sit out much of the season.

 

Keep in mind I have no factual basis to make this prediction LOL. Call it a strong hunch.

I agree 💯.  These things just seem so predictable 

[Behindenemylines]

10 hours ago, aristocrat said:

the same risk is there if you sign him to a five year deal with three of those guaranteed.  If you don’t sign him you’re in qb he’ll anyways going with has beens like the skins and falcons did last year and will this coming year. In your mind they shouldn’t sign anyone cause what if something bad happens lol. 

What about drafting a QB. 
 

what about waiting a year to get someone else

 

many options without giving up the future of the franchise for a Top 20 passer top 5 runner and top 10 injured QB

[aristocrat]

19 minutes ago, Behindenemylines said:

What about drafting a QB. 
 

what about waiting a year to get someone else

 

many options without giving up the future of the franchise for a Top 20 passer top 5 runner and top 10 injured QB

what if you miss on qb like jets and Wilson and Darnold, baker with browns etc?  he didn’t even get hurt on a run play he got hurt on awkward sacks. Lamar can play if that knee is healthy so if it is teams should trade picks for a guy who can legit play. 

[Behindenemylines]

5 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

what if you miss on qb like jets and Wilson and Darnold, baker with browns etc?  he didn’t even get hurt on a run play he got hurt on awkward sacks. Lamar can play if that knee is healthy so if it is teams should trade picks for a guy who can legit play. 

My risk reward at that price says no deal.  
 

his actions also state he is unreasonable and doesn’t have a sense of the market. 
 

like a really pretty girlfriend that is just a princess.  You get sick of her sh$t fast because you’ve seen her mom 

 

 

[aristocrat]

Just now, Behindenemylines said:

My risk reward at that price says no deal.  
 

his actions also state he is unreasonable and doesn’t have a sense of the market. 
 

like a really pretty girlfriend that is just a princess.  You get sick of her sh$t fast because you’ve seen her mom 

 

 

 

so instead of going for the unreasonable guy they're just gonna go with mediocre and essentially waste years of their franchise?  washington and the falcons have zero chance of winning next year at least with lamar they'd have a great shot at the division. Without him nothing. 

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, aristocrat said:

 

so instead of going for the unreasonable guy they're just gonna go with mediocre and essentially waste years of their franchise?  washington and the falcons have zero chance of winning next year at least with lamar they'd have a great shot at the division. Without him nothing. 

I think Lamar is unreasonable, but if I am the Falcons, I'm definitely taking a shot.

[Behindenemylines]

34 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

so instead of going for the unreasonable guy they're just gonna go with mediocre and essentially waste years of their franchise?  washington and the falcons have zero chance of winning next year at least with lamar they'd have a great shot at the division. Without him nothing. 

A “shot” at the division isn’t The Superbowl

 

he ain’t gonna get you there so what’s the point at this price

[stuvian]

can the Ravens trade him? No one will both make him the highest paid player on a guaranteed deal and cough up two firsts

[Augie]

6 minutes ago, stuvian said:

can the Ravens trade him? No one will both make him the highest paid player on a guaranteed deal and cough up two firsts

 

I think he will see that, in time. If he signs for the tag, then I assume he could be traded but nobody would take him without a deal worked out. I really don’t like fully guaranteed contracts. Guys like Dareus come to mind. It may be coming, but I hope it’s slowly. 

[EasternOHBillsFan]

4 hours ago, H2o said:

It trips me out how these "analysts" and the sports media crowd keeps trying to say, "this team should trade for Lamar. No, this team should trade for Lamar. Lamar makes the most sense here. Lamar should be the top priority of (blank)." I mean really, do they even think about the drivel before it tumbles out of their mouths? Then they act like it's a conspiracy or some kind of travesty that no one is doing the things they are suggesting. Two first round picks to the Ravens and the guy wants a contract with the most GUARANTEED $$$ in the history of the NFL. It's not rocket science. It's two 1sts and a contract that could set your franchise back for years to come, especially if Lamar suffers a play style altering injury. It's a huge risk for a guy who has missed at least 5 games per year the last two due to injury. This is why the analysts and sports media crowd aren't GM's or owners. Because they would fall flat. He also should've coughed up the 2 or 3 % and hired Drew Rosenhaus. He would've been sitting on a nice guarantee by now. Maybe not the Watson contract, because the Browns are idiots, but he would have gotten more than Russell Wilson or Kyler Murray I bet. 

 

1. Lamar not having an agent is a dumb move

2. Lamar not having an agent and demanding that much guaranteed money with his injury history is a dumb move.

3. Lamar thinking he has a chance to find a sucker franchise who will piss off the other owners is a dumb move.

 

These analysts on TV all hold onto this notion, much like with Rodgers, that "former MVP" seems to mean something. No, recent playoff records mean something. Having the talent around you to succeed means something. Watching that Ravens/Bengals playoff game I came to the realization that HUNTLEY almost won that game for the Ravens with the dearth of offensive talent around him. The Ravens KNOW that they don't need to pay his price, and so here we are.

[DCofNC]

9 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

1. Lamar not having an agent is a dumb move

2. Lamar not having an agent and demanding that much guaranteed money with his injury history is a dumb move.

3. Lamar thinking he has a chance to find a sucker franchise who will piss off the other owners is a dumb move.

 

These analysts on TV all hold onto this notion, much like with Rodgers, that "former MVP" seems to mean something. No, recent playoff records mean something. Having the talent around you to succeed means something. Watching that Ravens/Bengals playoff game I came to the realization that HUNTLEY almost won that game for the Ravens with the dearth of offensive talent around him. The Ravens KNOW that they don't need to pay his price, and so here we are.

Huntley isn’t in the same stratosphere as Lamar, but Lamar isn’t as great as Lamar thinks.

[Toyo321]

Lamar has this delusion he is better than Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Tua, Dak, hurts and others I can mention.

 

But when it come right down to it this guy has only one advantage, he can run better than the most of mentioned guys above, but just barely and he gets hurt more than these guys above as well.

 

So in his delusions of grandeur he believes he deserves the most guaranteed money ever.

 

Hate to burst you bubble pal but you are a 2nd rate passer and you always have been.  If you couldn't run you would not even be starting as a 1st string QB.

 

Sit your sorry ass down on the bench this year.  You are not getting paid!! 

[Thrivefourfive]

He’s going to sit on $32.4 mil until he’s ready to accept $45 mil for this season. Then, next year we do this all over again.

 

i will say this though, the NFL off season is more interesting than all the other sports going on right now combined. LJ and Rodgers are filling up hours upon hours of talk show content. 

[papazoid]

Representative not certified by NFLPA has contacted multiple teams on behalf of Lamar Jackson

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/03/21/representative-not-certified-by-nflpa-has-contacted-multiple-teams-on-behalf-of-lamar-jackson/

 

thats a big no-no

[Low Positive]

1 minute ago, papazoid said:

Representative not certified by NFLPA has contacted multiple teams on behalf of Lamar Jackson

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/03/21/representative-not-certified-by-nflpa-has-contacted-multiple-teams-on-behalf-of-lamar-jackson/

 

thats a big no-no

He's got his mom calling up NFL GMs.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Somewhere The Rock is watching this situation VERY close. Can you imagine if Jackson went to the XFL?

[DrDawkinstein]

15 hours ago, Toyo321 said:

Lamar has this delusion he is better than Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Tua, Dak, hurts and others I can mention.

 

But when it come right down to it this guy has only one advantage, he can run better than the most of mentioned guys above, but just barely and he gets hurt more than these guys above as well.

 

So in his delusions of grandeur he believes he deserves the most guaranteed money ever.

 

Hate to burst you bubble pal but you are a 2nd rate passer and you always have been.  If you couldn't run you would not even be starting as a 1st string QB.

 

Sit your sorry ass down on the bench this year.  You are not getting paid!! 

 

Not so sure it's delusions of grandeur. Someone made a great point somewhere that said, without an agent and real representation, Lamar has basically NO endorsement deals. Even if he had an agent, he isnt a great spokesman/actor/face of a product as it is.

 

So with that, he knows he isnt going to get many/any endorsements and has to plan on not making that money like most other QBs.

 

That is why Watson pushed for the large, fully guaranteed contract. He DEFINITELY isnt getting any endorsement deals, and has to make all his money in the NFL alone. Jackson is following that model.

 

So in that light, I do get where Lamar is coming from. Even though I think he is wrong in just about every other way he is handling this.

Just now, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Somewhere The Rock is watching this situation VERY close. Can you imagine if Jackson went to the XFL?

 

I dont think the entire XFL payroll adds up to what Lamar is asking for. Not even sure the entire LEAGUE is worth $250M

[TheyCallMeAndy]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Not so sure it's delusions of grandeur. Someone made a great point somewhere that said, without an agent and real representation, Lamar has basically NO endorsement deals. Even if he had an agent, he isnt a great spokesman/actor/face of a product as it is.

 

So with that, he knows he isnt going to get many/any endorsements and has to plan on not making that money like most other QBs.

 

That is why Watson pushed for the large, fully guaranteed contract. He DEFINITELY isnt getting any endorsement deals, and has to make all his money in the NFL alone. Jackson is following that model.

 

So in that light, I do get where Lamar is coming from. Even though I think he is wrong in just about every other way he is handling this.

 

I dont think the entire XFL payroll adds up to what Lamar is asking for. Not even sure the entire LEAGUE is worth $250M

For sure, but if there’s one dude who can convince Jackson to take less and stick it to the NFL, it’s Rocky Miavia. 

[papazoid]

#1- a player who represents himself has a fool for a client

 

#2- the NFLPA wants all contracts to be guaranteed so badly they are using/giving lamar bad advice at his peril

[Billl]

3 minutes ago, papazoid said:

#1- a player who represents himself has a fool for a client

 

#2- the NFLPA wants all contracts to be guaranteed so badly they are using/giving lamar bad advice at his peril

So Laremy Tunsil and Roquan Smith are fools?

[KingBoots8]

2 minutes ago, Billl said:

So Laremy Tunsil and Roquan Smith are fools?

Came here to say this. Other players include Bobby Wagner, DeAndre Hopkins and Jacoby Brissett. Last year there were 17 players who repped themselves. I’m not saying they are all going to be as successful as Tunsil was, but they’ve done pretty well all things considered.

[colin]

8 minutes ago, Billl said:

So Laremy Tunsil and Roquan Smith are fools?

 

i dont' think it's that simple.

 

grant hill got a max contract in the nba long ago "representing himself" but he had some legal reps who did contracts for him and get him some pretty straight forward information (a max contract does make it simple tho).

 

I'd expect tunsil et al to have had legal reps (obv) and some accountant service or financial adviser who basically gave them expertise on the contracts and they just played the poker to get the contract they wanted.  

 

im not saying i know who is involved w jackson, but i do think there are different levels to repping one's self.

[BillsShredder83]

1 hour ago, FrenchConnection said:

He's got his mom calling up NFL GMs.

Dude LOL incomprehensible how dumb this dude is. not even specifically this, but throwing this on top of everything else is hilarious.  Did the Farelly brothers write this script

[Chicken Boo]

Colts need to go ahead and pull the trigger.  They're a Lamar away from Super Bowl contention.  

[Thrivefourfive]

The NFL wants CEOs for QBs. An offensive lineman or linebacker is no standard for what’s expected of these high profile quarterbacks. Again, an owner has to feel comfortable with agent-less, endorsement-less Jackson as its franchise face. The NFL wants exactly the same. Because they’re one in the same. 
 

So far, Baltimore isn’t comfortable with that deal. I think the transparency of this whole situation would be fascinating to read about. It is not about play on the field as much as it’s about giving a player’s mom $200 million.