Ya Digg? Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 9 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I mean, I don’t agree with that. He played in a very pro style offense in college. and even if he could work in one offense, why not get him better receivers? They have our little to no investment into fixing their crappy receivers. And given they suck at drafting them, they should do a Diggs type trade. the ravens are a great organization but they suck at building offenses. 9 hours ago, QLBillsFan said: You make some good points. But while they did not provide him great WR’s the entire O is the RPO set. WR’s seemed to be happy to leave partially because the O is run first but also they don’t see Lamar as an elite thrower. This thinking that they haven’t provided him with receivers is false. They have used several first-third round picks on receivers, have signed free agents (Watkins) and it hasn’t worked. Maybe they aren’t the best receivers, but Brown had a first round grade by pretty much everyone, so did Bateman, Lamar just hasn’t been able to raise their level of play. That’s on Lamar and the system, I don’t put as much blame on the receivers 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Lamar is so terrible, can't pass, and is always injured until Belicheat gives him exactly what the deal he wants then he's a genius with psychic foresight that the entire colluding NFL couldn't see. But that's old Billy playbook stealer, he's just smarter than everyone else. Takes away your best weapon and so on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 38 minutes ago, Behindenemylines said: Not at those guarantees. There is a higher than typical chance he doesn’t play another full season again and could be out of the league due to injury. It’s just too expensive and risky from an actuarial stand point I assume. What’s the risk? These teams profit no matter what. You have to pay a qb no matter what and if they’re star qbs you pay guaranteed money. The qb position is the most important position in all sports and he’s top 5 at it. These teams pay fired coaches so much they even had to warned by the league of how much money they were paying fired coaches. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am leaving for good Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Wanting something and getting something is two different things. BSF says whatever a player gets we the fans pay for at the end of the day so always remember that. For the fan that says give the players whatever they want the owner always passes the added cost onto the fans in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 32 minutes ago, aristocrat said: What’s the risk? These teams profit no matter what. You have to pay a qb no matter what and if they’re star qbs you pay guaranteed money. The qb position is the most important position in all sports and he’s top 5 at it. These teams pay fired coaches so much they even had to warned by the league of how much money they were paying fired coaches. If you want to make the case of Lamar being a top 5 qb after the 2019 or even 2020 seasons ok. There's no way he's top 5 after these last 2 years. Combined in the last 2 years.....33 passing tds, 20 ints, 5 rushing tds, 5 lost fumbles. That's 38 total tds and 25 total turnovers in the last 2 seasons. Add to that missing 10 regular season games and parts of 3 more and 1 playoff game. Josh had more total tds(42) in a 16 game season this year. Matter of fact there were 3 qbs with more total tds just this year and 6 qbs had more than that in 2021 and 1 more had exactly 38. He should've hired an agent and signed when Josh did before the 2021 season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 (edited) Question: What if: (i) no team trades for Lamar given his guaranteed contract demands (probable), and (ii) Lamar is angry and refuses to play for the Ravens this season (possible)? Could he just sit out until the 12th game, then sign the tag in order to get six games for an accrued season? Then the Ravens could tag him again in 2024 (ala Kirk Cousins) and he could play the same game. But then in 2025, the third franchise tag would be too expensive for the Ravens, so they would have to transition tag him or just let him walk. Is this correct? Edited March 20 by chongli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 (edited) @chongli https://www.profootballnetwork.com/nfl-franchise-tag-what-it-is-how-it-works/ "It is worth noting that if a player does sit out the year, the team can tag them again the following year, but it will escalate in cost. Sitting out a year does not mean the NFL team can keep them at the same cost the following season." So he can sit out the whole year and the Ravens can tag him again next year, but it will count as the 2nd time tagged, not the 1st. Edited March 20 by LOVEMESOMEBILLS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 1 hour ago, benderbender said: Lamar is so terrible, can't pass, and is always injured until Belicheat gives him exactly what the deal he wants then he's a genius with psychic foresight that the entire colluding NFL couldn't see. But that's old Billy playbook stealer, he's just smarter than everyone else. Takes away your best weapon and so on. Huh? What's that about Belicheat? 13 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said: @chongli https://www.profootballnetwork.com/nfl-franchise-tag-what-it-is-how-it-works/ "It is worth noting that if a player does sit out the year, the team can tag them again the following year, but it will escalate in cost. Sitting out a year does not mean the NFL team can keep them at the same cost the following season." So he can sit out the whole year and the Ravens can tag him again next year, but it will count as the 2nd time tagged, not the 1st. Yeah but Lamar misses out on $32M. On top of the ~$42M he's already lost. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 (edited) 17 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said: @chongli https://www.profootballnetwork.com/nfl-franchise-tag-what-it-is-how-it-works/ "It is worth noting that if a player does sit out the year, the team can tag them again the following year, but it will escalate in cost. Sitting out a year does not mean the NFL team can keep them at the same cost the following season." So he can sit out the whole year and the Ravens can tag him again next year, but it will count as the 2nd time tagged, not the 1st. Thank you for writing that. I realize it will cost them more, but my question is can he effectively refuse to play for most of those two tagged seasons (2023 and 2024) with Baltimore, and then effectively force the Ravens hand into releasing him for 2025, as the third tag would be too expensive? IOW, I can easily see Lamar, with his obstinance, just giving up most of his salary for 2023 and 2024 to get out and out released for 2025. 3 minutes ago, Doc said: Huh? What's that about Belicheat? Yeah but Lamar misses out on $32M. On top of the ~$42M he's already lost. Thanks! Knowing Lamar, that's a good possibility. 😁 Edited March 20 by chongli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 (edited) 7 minutes ago, chongli said: Thank you for writing that. I realize it will cost them more, but my question is can he effectively refuse to play for most of those two tagged seasons (2023 and 2024) with Baltimore, and then effectively force the Ravens hand into releasing him for 2025, as the third tag would be too expensive? I believe yes. Bell sat out his 2nd tagged year in Pittsburgh and then the following year they let him walk not wanting to use the 3rd tag on him iirc. Edit: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/03/13/sports/football/leveon-bell-jets.amp.html "After a strong 2017 season, in which he rushed for 1,291 yards and led the N.F.L. with 406 touches, Bell turned down a contract offer that was reported at five years and $70 million, citing the small amount of guaranteed money in the deal. He then refused to play on a franchise tag that would have paid him $14.5 million in 2018, hoping that his conviction could earn a shot at unrestricted free agency. The gambit paid off, at least in terms of freeing him from Pittsburgh’s control, as the Steelers decided they would not use the franchise tag on him again, making him a free agent. In exchange for his signing with the Jets, Pittsburgh will receive a compensatory pick in this year’s draft." Edited March 20 by LOVEMESOMEBILLS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 He could copy Deshaun Watson. Show up to the facility but do nothing. Benching himself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 13 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said: I believe yes. Bell sat out his 2nd tagged year in Pittsburgh and then the following year they let him walk not wanting to use the 3rd tag on him iirc. Edit: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/03/13/sports/football/leveon-bell-jets.amp.html "After a strong 2017 season, in which he rushed for 1,291 yards and led the N.F.L. with 406 touches, Bell turned down a contract offer that was reported at five years and $70 million, citing the small amount of guaranteed money in the deal. He then refused to play on a franchise tag that would have paid him $14.5 million in 2018, hoping that his conviction could earn a shot at unrestricted free agency. The gambit paid off, at least in terms of freeing him from Pittsburgh’s control, as the Steelers decided they would not use the franchise tag on him again, making him a free agent. In exchange for his signing with the Jets, Pittsburgh will receive a compensatory pick in this year’s draft." Ok, awesome. So Bell actually didn't even sign the tag and the Steelers let him go the next season. I just don't see Baltimore that, since Lamar is younger and also better, and a franchise QB. They want something and will try to force Lamar into his senses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 1 minute ago, chongli said: Ok, awesome. So Bell actually didn't even sign the tag and the Steelers let him go the next season. I just don't see Baltimore that, since Lamar is younger and also better, and a franchise QB. They want something and will try to force Lamar into his senses. Pittsburgh had already tagged Bell once, so the one he didn't sign was the 2nd tag. Baltimore has got some time to figure it out before that happens. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 24 minutes ago, chongli said: Thanks! Knowing Lamar, that's a good possibility. 😁 For a guy wanting $250M guaranteed, I can assure you he's not sitting out and missing out on $32M. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Doc said: For a guy wanting $250M guaranteed, I can assure you he's not sitting out and missing out on $32M. But he's already missed something like $70million by not signing an extension sooner like Josh. This was mentioned by Mike Florio last week or so. I don't see missing $32 million more to be a problem for him. I think he also said he was not going to play for the Ravens this year unless they used the non-exclusive tag on him ($45 million I think). He's bull-headed. Edited March 20 by chongli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 1 minute ago, chongli said: But he's already missed something like $70 by not signing an extension sooner like Josh. This was mentioned by Florio last week or so. I don't see missing $32 million more to be a problem for him. The difference is that up until now, he was under the Ravens' control and was waiting for his 5 years to end. Now that he's seen the Ravens aren't budging and teams aren't lining up to meet his contract demands, he won't toss away $32M. And what does sitting out a year do for him? Make him even more likely to get a fully guaranteed contract as a FA in 2024? Unlikely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 10 minutes ago, Doc said: The difference is that up until now, he was under the Ravens' control and was waiting for his 5 years to end. Now that he's seen the Ravens aren't budging and teams aren't lining up to meet his contract demands, he won't toss away $32M. And what does sitting out a year do for him? Make him even more likely to get a fully guaranteed contract as a FA in 2024? Unlikely. Ah, I see. This makes sense. [Still, knowing Lamar, it would not shock me if he defies logic and gives up the $32 million (or more), as he has done continually!]. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 3 hours ago, SCBills said: Gabe Davis was a 4th RD pick. Ravens have drafted Lamar 2-RD1 WR’s and 2-RD3 WR’s. They’ve also drafted a bunch of TE’s, including Andrews and invested more in OL than we have. Maybe Lamar just can’t elevate anybody. He also had the best decoy in football. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behindenemylines Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 8 hours ago, aristocrat said: What’s the risk? These teams profit no matter what. You have to pay a qb no matter what and if they’re star qbs you pay guaranteed money. The qb position is the most important position in all sports and he’s top 5 at it. These teams pay fired coaches so much they even had to warned by the league of how much money they were paying fired coaches. The risk is he gets hurt every season, misses numerous games, and the team fails to make the playoffs year after year. You’re in QB hell, ala Stafford right now. or he gets his payday and decides to mail it in week after week. With how he is negotiating I see that as a realistic possibility. Same hell or after year one or two he declines and is too good to throw away and not good enough to keep. Same hell none of these options sell seats and jerseys and his coat sets you back 3-5 years easily. appears to me all risk for the team and the fact teams are drooling over him seems they have the same conclusion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 38 minutes ago, Behindenemylines said: The risk is he gets hurt every season, misses numerous games, and the team fails to make the playoffs year after year. You’re in QB hell, ala Stafford right now. or he gets his payday and decides to mail it in week after week. With how he is negotiating I see that as a realistic possibility. I see the same possibility with Aaron Rodgers. Sportscasters are touting the Jets as super bowl contenders but I can't see it. Rodgers is old (for football), very rich, and seems to have other things on his mind besides football. I for one expect him to get injured and sit out much of the season. Keep in mind I have no factual basis to make this prediction LOL. Call it a strong hunch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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