corta765 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 1 hour ago, dpberr said: I don't see any of these players being on the 2023 team. Phillips is the only one if he is willing to take a team friendly deal. Otherwise I would agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Here comes the Franchise or Transition Tag. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 18 minutes ago, Process said: Yup. That's a lot of good players. Enough for a solid D. Fill in the gaps with the cheapest players possible. I have zero interest in having an "elite" defense. The Bills despite having statistically "an elite defense" have been atrocious on defense in three of their four playoff losses with only the 2019 Texans game being one I would say they played fine. So yea time for something new, the defense even without Poyer/Edmunds has many good players plus a draft and FA to fill some voids. Figure it out and pump your best resources into the offense and call it a day. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 16 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I feel like our first step to becoming a better defense is going in a different direction at LB. Go get the next Spikes Takeo or Brandon? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 It will be a transition. The Bills have gone as far as they can on this iteration of the defense. Wish we all had more faith in Terrell Bernard to step in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: Anything is possible but it sounds like we have seen the end of Edmunds' career as a Bill. Which leaves more room to build the offense. Agreed. Stack the hell outta the offense. jmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephilim17 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Good. I have zero interest in paying a good but not great middle linebacker who doesn't blitz much or run with top TEs $18 or $20 million a year for 5 years. This means more money for the offense: line and weapons. Does anyone know if this can turn into a 3rd round compensation pick or something like that? If so, I'm all for the 3rd rounder. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: Here comes the Franchise or Transition Tag. I would do franchise tag if we were immediately trading him. But other than that no way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said: Bears, Texans, Giants, Raiders all have a huge need there and have a ton of cap space. I have my money on the Bears or Texans. I am thinking Bears too, but they could have simply paid Roquan, though. The Giants make sense too. What about the Seahawks? They desperately need help in pass D, and he's an elite pass defender for a LB: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 I want to see Spector given a shot. He was way better than anything I seen from Bernard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 If all deals are equal, don't forget about those high NYS taxes Don't be stupid kid.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 If/when Edmunds signs on another team it will be for big money. I don't see Beane signing any free agent anywhere close to that cost. There will be a lot of ex-Bills on other teams next year. Ergo: I see a 3rd round comp pick for Edmunds in 2024. I know it's not a lot, but it will be something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 So, can we label him a bust now? Or is he still too young? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Sounds to me like Harrison Phillips part deux. Edmunds knows what the Bills are willing to pay him but will listen to other offers. Some team will blow Bills offer out of the water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephilim17 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: I want to see Spector given a shot. He was way better than anything I seen from Bernard. Indeed, once we get past the reanimation bit, the hair takes away the middle just like Edmunds height and wingspan. He'd be killer. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 17 minutes ago, corta765 said: The Bills despite having statistically "an elite defense" have been atrocious on defense in three of their four playoff losses with only the 2019 Texans game being one I would say they played fine. So yea time for something new, the defense even without Poyer/Edmunds has many good players plus a draft and FA to fill some voids. Figure it out and pump your best resources into the offense and call it a day. Remember when we were told "stats are for losers" when we draft Allen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSbSoon Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, Big Turk said: The defense is going to take a dip regardless most likely...defense is less consistent year to year than offense is. That's why you allocate more resources to the offense...it's more consistent year to year and the rules favor it. It should not be rocket science for Beane...McD is likely trying to swim upstream since he coaches D. Yeah well the niners got as far as they did with a third string rookie because of a dominant defense. You can’t just ignore it either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 1 minute ago, BillsSbSoon said: Yeah well the niners got as far as they did with a third string rookie because of a dominant defense. You can’t just ignore it either Niners offense is LOADED. They also play in the NFC. Eagles found out what an elite defense looks like when playing one of the elite AFC QB’s. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiezzz Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Good player, but not a game changer at LB. Good luck to him if he is a goner. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Maybe he can be the Christian Kirk of this off season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 21 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said: Good. I have zero interest in paying a good but not great middle linebacker who doesn't blitz much or run with top TEs $18 or $20 million a year for 5 years. This means more money for the offense: line and weapons. Does anyone know if this can turn into a 3rd round compensation pick or something like that? If so, I'm all for the 3rd rounder. McBeane don’t play the comp pick game. Every year we sign a big helping of veteran JAG’s instead of playing draft picks and we never have a net loss in free agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 McBeane will be compelled to use the 1st round pick to fill that hole, so prepare yourselves for that.... 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: I am thinking Bears too, but they could have simply paid Roquan, though. The Giants make sense too. What about the Seahawks? They desperately need help in pass D, and he's an elite pass defender for a LB: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/ I think Eberflus may be looking for a different type of backer than Roquan. It is also quite possible that they knew he would not re-sign and so they traded him to get something. Edmunds is a better fit for that tampa 2 zone type sytem Edited February 17, 2023 by MrEpsYtown 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Go get your money, young man. I'm happy for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Good. He’s a great kid and has all the tools to be special. But he’s just very good. Considering the state of our OL and playmakers, I’d rather invest that money into the offense and replace him with a cheaper option Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I think he’s going to be the new Stephon Gilmore. He’ll be up for defensive MVP if he goes to a team with a good DL. In the XFL or new USFL? 1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said: And then when our Defense falls off a cliff next year because of how integral Edmunds was, and we lose in the Wild Card round 42-38, fans can keep complaining about Frazier/McD/scheme. So it's really giving Bills fans what they want. The drama. Can't have a discussion without buckets full of it. 1 hour ago, BillsFan4 said: It’s not feasible to have big money players at every position on defense, and if Frazier McDermott needs that to be successful then I question his abilities as a DC constructing a roster. They already have an expensive LB in Milano. They have big money on the D line and at CB. Big money at Safety with Hyde and Poyer (though Poyer is obviously also a free agent now). It’ll hurt to lose Edmunds, but they can’t keep everyone and I’d rather see any extra money go into the offense. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/positional/2022/full-cap/ last year the Bills used 11.43% of their cap space on the LB position, which was the highest % of cap allocated to a position group on the roster (2nd closest was the CB position). It would be even higher if Edmunds is extended. I’m not sure if that’s the best way to spend the limited cap space they have… One of the things I loved about McDermott’s defensive success in Carolina, especially back in 2012/2013 when they first started making noise - he did it with quite a few “no name” players (at least at the time) and young draft picks. Time to get back to that, and if Frazier isn’t capable then maybe McDermott needs to take over or find a new DC. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/2022/cap-hit/inside-linebacker/ ILB is not a highly paid position, and only 1 (Fred Warner) participated in a Championship game last year. They'll find a replacement, that player will provide similar production at a reduced rate, and within 1-2 seasons the fanboys clamoring for Edmunds will melt away to occasionally admit his new team made a mistake. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 16 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said: Indeed, once we get past the reanimation bit, the hair takes away the middle just like Edmunds height and wingspan. He'd be killer. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, BillsSbSoon said: Yeah well the niners got as far as they did with a third string rookie because of a dominant defense. You can’t just ignore it either And they allowed 31 points when they faced the Eagles. So how dominant was it really when it actually mattered? Was the Chiefs D dominant or just situationally good when it needed to be? Edited February 17, 2023 by Big Turk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 The odds of him returning have pretty much fizzled away. The only other big name free agent on the Bills'' roster is Poyer. I think he's worth trying to resign, but the Bills need to be careful on the contract length and the terms. They don't want to find themselves locked into a long term deal with a player whose play on the field has declined beneath the level of his compensation and is destined to fall further because of his age. Of course, if Edmunds leaves, that creates a hole on the roster that Buffalo needs to fill either through the draft or in free agency. It will take a high draft choice to get play that is close to what Edmunds has given the team regardless of what haters say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 1 hour ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: Replace with a cheaper option, someone like KC did with Nick Bolton. Use the money saved on offensive line and WR. Vander Esch....3M/yr....$17M saved for OL. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Wait. What about that dude that saw Maine’s Uncle at the Wizards game and said an extension is a done deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 He would be a loss, but definitely replaceable. However it means that we pretty much have to use one of first three picks on MLB, which causes more limitations for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Just now, JMM said: He would be a loss, but definitely replaceable. However it means that we pretty much have to use one of first three picks on MLB, which causes more limitations for us. No they do not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Wait. What about that dude that saw Maine’s Uncle at the Wizards game and said an extension is a done deal? More like Mrs. Santa's sister😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) one of the best pieces of news ive ever heard in my whole entire existence on planet earth. but thanks for giving it your all out there tremaine. cheers. Edited February 17, 2023 by GETTOTHE50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpen65 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Awesome! I always had faith in Beane that he recognized the gigantic problem in the middle of this defense. Good luck to him in his future. I think he should probably change positions to safety. This is great news for the Bills. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 If I had money I would bet on Pittsburgh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Best news in awhile. Good luck Tremaine, don’t let door hit you on the way out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 14 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Vander Esch....3M/yr....$17M saved for OL. VE is a good suggestion but 3M per will not get it done. At that price the Cowboys would only be too happy to sign him. He played for peanuts in 2022 to prove he deserved a good contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 There are plenty enough good pieces on defense to do without Oliver, Edmunds, Poyer, Lawson and Jackson. I’d love to have them but cap constraints and reprioritization have to be done. Need to invest more valuable resources in FA and draft on O line and WR, and hopefully hit later round picks on the other spots. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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