Stefon Diggs - “I watched the game five times”

[Mr. WEO]

7 minutes ago, Sargent Hulka said:

Spot on! If the playoff futility continues, Diggs frustration will grow. At some point, seeing his prime years passing him by, he'll ask for a trade.

 

 

Worked out extremely well for the Vikings...

[BarleyNY]

8 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

I think he knows the coaches don’t have it.  
 

His “it’s been 3 years” response to getting over the hump is pretty telling. 
 

He could have said “I trust the staff to get it right or where we need to be.”

 

 

I’m not going to defend him.  I’m not going to call this disruptive either or that he’s a problem.

 

I am going to say this staff was finished the second that 13 seconds happened.  

I don’t think he’s to the point where he’s sure. If he was, then he’d already be asking to be traded. But I think he’s worried about the coaches and FO. He obviously loves his teammates, but he needs to see them care as much as he does. That means seeing the same effort and dedication from the other players and the staff. If he doesn’t think they are up to it, he will want to leave. 

[Drew21PA]

He’s with us - not against us

 

felt the same way he did watching - it felt like I was saying, “what is going on?  Who is this? “

[Sargent Hulka]

3 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

Alright well this means that there are only a handful of teams who can possibly win anything moving forward…. and the Chiefs are the only one with a QB on a big contract … because they’re doing it now that Mahomes contract kicked in. You’ve got like SF, JAX and maybe a few more? 
 

Bills can’t because of Allen’s contract 

 

Bengals won’t be able to because of Burrow and like 80% of their top players needing 2nd contracts. 
 

Chargers can’t once Herbert gets paid. 
 

Ravens can’t when Lamar gets paid. 
 

Vikings and Cowboys can’t because Cousins/Dak

 

Eagles are about to pay Hurts because he doesn’t have a 5th year option. 

The Bills, as presently constituted, have been figured out; guys like Mac Jones, Mike White, and Skylar Thompson seemingly having career days against Buffalo; no. power running game; max pressure and spy on Allen. Allen getting the crap beat out of him because he has to carry this offense far too many times. With this management and staff in place, winning, and advancing will only become harder.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Hopefully he had a very truthful one on one exit interview with Beane (McDermott is like talking to a wall) and expressed that this team needs better players around the offensive side of the ball around Josh. 
 

This is where Josh has the responsibility to show up in the best shape of his life, and he sets the tone, and doesn’t allow Diggs to overtalk him.

For sure I believe the Diggs brothers talked about how Stefon is the missing piece down in Dallas. 

 

[Don Otreply]

This stems from our OCs inability to scheme well, and JV level play calls and poor sequencing, resulting in Josh having to try way to hard to compensate for the above. Dorsey calls plays like one would imagine a college QB doing it and frankly it shows, I know we all hope this off season is productive in many ways to include far better offensive schemes and an O-line that can block in both pass and run situations, 🤞

 

GO BILLS!!!

[Straight Hucklebuck]

8 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

Get just one or two more guys with Diggs's determination (and/or keep em healthy...Hyde and Miller) and I don't think the team deflates quite like that.

 

Although, to be fair, it really did feel like the Cinci game was an unavoidable reckoning. They looked ready to romp the Bills the first time around (I know, I know, it was early in the game), and then absolutely dismantled the Bills in the divisional round. 

 

Nonetheless, more Diggs and less mediocrity. That's the winning formula.

It’s called A players and Buffalo has always had that distaste for talented players who expect the best.

 

They like the down-home, 7th round, Rudy Ruettiger kind of player. 
 

Beane needs a heck of an off-season, and I’ve said it multiple times, I think there is meat on the bone for Allen as well. I think he can reach another level if he hits the gym hard this off-season. 

[balln]

9 minutes ago, Sargent Hulka said:

The Bills, as presently constituted, have been figured out; guys like Mac Jones, Mike White, and Skylar Thompson seemingly having career days against Buffalo; no. power running game; max pressure and spy on Allen. Allen getting the crap beat out of him because he has to carry this offense far too many times. With this management and staff in place, winning, and advancing will only become harder.

Great, great , great post. For sure. gotta change scheme / adapt or die. Can’t go half in. They started to w drafting a man corner in elam. 

[Billzgobowlin]

I will say he doesn't want out of Buffalo, he doesn't have off field issues and he doesn't get hurt.  Why are we worried about this?

[stosh64]

Diggs is doing what I would expect the coaches and GM to be doing.  NOT riding it back FFS.

 

SMFH,  ever wish you could just detox from this BS?  With all the expectations this year I found it very stressful, I did NOT enjoy watching football most of this year. 

[zow2]

The Bills have dominated the NFL for 3 years and nothing to show for it.  Not even a SB appearance.  Diggs knows they are blowing their Championship window, especially now that Allen’s deal kicks in. 13 seconds was a coaching failure and the staff was so outcoached vs Cincinnati it was frightening.  Diggs should be pissed.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

9 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

The guy is the best WR the Bills have ever had. Do not get rid of him. The goal is to be better, not worse 

You can get better by subtraction. Chiefs traded Hill and were able to get better. But the Chiefs do have some luxuries the Bills do not (Kelce and and offense/QB that have proven to be able to spread the ball around).

 

I don’t believe Diggs would bring anywhere close to the same haul in picks as Hill.

 

Bills are in a bad spot right now where they need to make the team better in a number of different spots but have few resources to do so. Unfortunately things have been so mismanaged that it seems trading Diggs would neither free up enough cap space or being back enough picks to make it worth pursuing.

[teef]

I didn’t even like watching the game once. 

[BillsFanSD]

Not that I ever disliked Diggs, but his reaction to the Bengals game is causing me to view him with increasing respect.  I would expect any professional to be disgusted with that performance.  The drought-era teams were filled with guys who were happy just to cash a paycheck, and I thought we had gotten rid of those people back in the cap purges of 2018/2019.  Glad Diggs isn't having any of this.

9 hours ago, The Wiz said:

I'm not going to say that his attitude is anything other than someone that wants to win but at the same time, the rest of the team is/was already feeling it and adding on another emotional factor isn't what they needed.

What evidence do you have for this?

 

I saw a team that was checked out for the last few weeks of the season.  I think Diggs saw it too.  

[Nextmanup]

9 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

The guy is the best WR the Bills have ever had. Do not get rid of him. The goal is to be better, not worse 

Well, when the Sabres were garbage for a decade, fans wanted Eichel and Reinhart gone...and when they went, they were happy.  So you never know.

 

I couldn't care less what Diggs tweets; I don't do twitter for a reason. 

 

Get him out there and throw him the ball...he and Josh are the 2 most valuable possessions of this entire franchise.

 

It's not Beane, it's definitely not McDermott...and it sure ain't our offensive or defensive lines!

 

 

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, Awwufelloff said:

Doing the same things over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity. The Bills will be the same team next yr with no coaching changes. Diggs is frustrated and rightfully so. This is still a business and tough decisions need to be made for the betterment of the team. 

Agree 100%. 

[newcam2012]

44 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

This stems from our OCs inability to scheme well, and JV level play calls and poor sequencing, resulting in Josh having to try way to hard to compensate for the above. Dorsey calls plays like one would imagine a college QB doing it and frankly it shows, I know we all hope this off season is productive in many ways to include far better offensive schemes and an O-line that can block in both pass and run situations, 🤞

 

GO BILLS!!!

Phil Sims just started that the Bills play calling inhibited Allen. Saying the play calling had no sychronicity. It was like no play set up another play. One by one individual play calls. 

47 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

It’s called A players and Buffalo has always had that distaste for talented players who expect the best.

 

They like the down-home, 7th round, Rudy Ruettiger kind of player. 
 

Beane needs a heck of an off-season, and I’ve said it multiple times, I think there is meat on the bone for Allen as well. I think he can reach another level if he hits the gym hard this off-season. 

Allen certainly can play better!

[Sierra Foothills]

Diggs is questioning whether the Bills have plateaued and can regain a championship trajectory.

 

Those are legitimate questions and everyone hopes the team can improve internally and take the last two steps.

 

Is Diggs comporting himself as a team leader should? He does have a tendency to turn up the heat in the room but sometimes that's what it takes. While I'd like to see him channel his frustrations in less-damaging ways, there's more than just one way to lead. And the Bills chances of winning a Super Bowl are greater with him than without him.

 

Diggs also suffers from "wide receiver frustration" which is that special helplessness they feel when the team is not scheming them up effectively and knowing that this deficiency is reducing the team's chances of winning.

 

In truth both the Bills and Diggs have to be just a bit better.

 

 

 

[newcam2012]

48 minutes ago, stosh64 said:

Diggs is doing what I would expect the coaches and GM to be doing.  NOT riding it back FFS.

 

SMFH,  ever wish you could just detox from this BS?  With all the expectations this year I found it very stressful, I did NOT enjoy watching football most of this year. 

I never felt like the team was elite even during the winning streak. That really had to be one of the least impressive winning streaks I've seen. Beating mostly inferior teams kind of ugly. Never seemed like the offense and defense had a complete game together. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

9 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Phil Sims just started that the Bills play calling inhibited Allen. Saying the play calling had no sychronicity. It was like no play set up another play. One by one individual play calls. 

Allen certainly can play better!

I’ve heard the same kind of analysis as Simms had from Greg Cosell who said the Bills have no offensive rhythm and the run the ball because it’s something they’re supposed to do.

 

But what I don’t hear is the follow up / one step further analysis that comes after that first statement.

 

And a thought I had on that was tempo. The Bills don’t vary tempo, instead they opt to drain every second of the play clock before snapping the ball. 
 

In regards to Allen, Warner’s tape showed that there are underneath routes built into the offense. Is Allen cerebral enough to take advantage of that going forward? I don’t know.

 

So that’s where I say, one thing he can control is his fitness and there I see and opportunity. Hope he is working with Palmer again this off-season. But I don’t know how serious he is with the diet and weight room. But I think he can do more in those areas. 
 

Edited February 11, 2023 by Straight Hucklebuck

[newcam2012]

5 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

Diggs is questioning whether the Bills have plateaued and can regain a championship trajectory.

 

Those are legitimate questions and everyone hopes the team can improve internally and take the last two steps.

 

Is Diggs comporting himself as a team leader should? He does have a tendency to turn up the heat in the room but sometimes that's what it takes. While I'd like to see him channel his frustrations in less-damaging ways, there's more than just one way to lead. And the Bills chances of winning a Super Bowl are greater with him than without him.

 

Diggs also suffers from "wide receiver frustration" which is that special helplessness they feel when the team is not scheming them up effectively and knowing that this deficiency is reducing the team's chances of winning.

 

In truth both the Bills and Diggs have to be just a bit better.

 

 

 

Very true. I think they have to be better by more than a "bit." The Miami and certainly the Cinci game indicates they need to be a lot better. 

3 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

I’ve heard the same kind of analysis as Simms had from Greg Cosell who said the Bills have no offensive rhythm and the run the ball because it’s something they’re supposed to do.

 

But what I don’t hear is the follow up / one step further analysis that comes after that first statement.

 

And a thought I had on that was tempo. The Bills don’t vary tempo, instead they opt to drain every second of the play clock before snapping the ball. 
 

In regards to Allen, Warner’s tape showed that there are underneath routes built into the offense. Is Allen cerebral enough to take advantage of that going forward? I don’t know.

 

So that’s where I say, one thing he can control is his fitness and there I see and opportunity. Hope he is working with Palmer again this off-season. But I don’t know how serious he is with the diet and weight room. But I think he can do more in those areas. 
 

I love Allen but I can say this season I had a lot less confidence in him getting the job done and finishing games. He seemed mostly human this season instead of Superman. The book is out on how to slow down, contain, and frustrate Allen.

[Meatloaf63]

2 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

 

What I'm saying is the Bills failed to fully take advantage of a friendly Allen initial contract. That was the big opportunity to make that Super Bowl run and upgrade the team with super stars. Solidify the trenches, obtain impact players, etc... Obviously, the Bills have failed on many levels.

 

Doesn't mean they can't improve, make good draft picks, get more from players on the roster, avoid or limit major injuries especially from impact players, pick up new players via trade or free agency.

 

A healthy Allen alone is probably worth 7 or 8 wins. Certainly, the Bills can still make runs and win the Super Bowl. I won't give up that dream. However, the chances seem to be slightly fading year by year. Especially, the last two years.

 

The Cinci and Miami  games was really eye opening for me. It really displayed the Bills weaknesses. For me, it's difficult to feel over enthusiastic and optimistic after such performances. 

 

Instead, the Bills are left with holes on both lines, weak WR core, wasted drafts picks, under performing draft picks, less impactful players, and early playoff exits.

 

With Allen's contract things become more difficult. Beane explicitly indicates states this. The numbers just get much tighter and the ability to sign or keep big names become significantly more difficult. 

 

The Bengals made their Super appearance last year and KC continues to be a powerhouse despite a crappy WR core an an average defense.  Clearly, the Bills are missing something that prevents them from advancement. It's more than luck that's missing when you whiff on playoffs advancements for six straight years. 

Not a secret Beane has a lot of work to do, he has to make painful decisions, not sure if it’s possible but his decision making has to seriously improve. Does he have the guts to ignore McDermott and build this team to win it all instead of being regular season hero’s? Can his draft actually make a difference? Does he have the coaching in place to use his  draft picks and free agent acquisitions properly? Does Dorsey have what it takes to reign in Josh’s poor decision making and refusal to use the short game to control the clock and move the sticks? Does McDermott actually understand why his defense continuously underperforms in the playoffs? I don’t think a healthy squad is as far away as some think they are, but there are critical decisions and moves to made this offseason. The Chiefs have almost rebuilt their roster in a few seasons and as painful as some of the decisions looked on the surface, they have resulted in the team producing on the field. Is Beane smart enough to understand this and execute this? Yet to be seen, but with Frazier still here and his pathetic end of the year news conference, signs point to no….

Edited February 11, 2023 by Meatloaf63

[JGMcD2]

1 hour ago, Sargent Hulka said:

The Bills, as presently constituted, have been figured out; guys like Mac Jones, Mike White, and Skylar Thompson seemingly having career days against Buffalo; no. power running game; max pressure and spy on Allen. Allen getting the crap beat out of him because he has to carry this offense far too many times. With this management and staff in place, winning, and advancing will only become harder.

Mike White: 27/44 268 yards 0 TD

 

His career best game was actually last year against the Cincinnati Bengals  

 

Skylar Thompson: 17/45 220 yards 1 TD and 2 picks… lowest completion percentage of the season. The 3 Josh Allen turnovers helped him get the ball in numerous short fields. 
 

Mac Jones: 26/40 243 yards 3 TDs and 3 picks 

 

Two weeks prior he went 18/22 for 240 2 TDs and 0 INT against Cincinnati 😂

 

Seemingly having career days is just you being an absolute troll 😂

 

[Meatloaf63]

5 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Very true. I think they have to be better by more than a "bit." The Miami and certainly the Cinci game indicates they need to be a lot better. 

I love Allen but I can say this season I had a lot less confidence in him getting the job done and finishing games. He seemed mostly human this season instead of Superman. The book is out on how to slow down, contain, and frustrate Allen.

After the offensive line, Allen was his own worst enemy as the season wore in. His refusal to see and take the available option was terrible. Whether that was because how terrible the line was or just arm arrogance is up to argument. Did Daboll control this part of his game? Can Dorsey take the needed to fix this? The book doesn’t work on Josh if he just made better decisions…

[Dopey]

9 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Yes I'd probably include Hyde, Poyer, Von....but that's about it....doesn't mean we don't have players who want to win but these 6 are dawgs, warriors.

So now you doubled the amount of “dawgs” we have?!?  😂😂

Did you smoke a bowl for more clarity?! 

[All_Pro_Bills]

7 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:

After the offensive line, Allen was his own worst enemy as the season wore in. His refusal to see and take the available option was terrible. Whether that was because how terrible the line was or just arm arrogance is up to argument. Did Daboll control this part of his game? Can Dorsey take the needed to fix this? The book doesn’t work on Josh if he just made better decisions…

If I recall correctly, in the first couple game against the Rams and Titans Josh took the short stuff, and it worked pretty well but as the season wore on that disappeared.

[Steptide]

He mentioned something about being a different team after week 9. Wtf happened after week 9? Was that Allen's injury? 

[KDIGGZ]

Next year will be Diggs' last in Buffalo. Count on it. Do you think he will be ok with it when they lose again in the playoffs? And for those that say we won't lose, what are we doing to be better than Cinci and KC? We will be losing players this off-season, not getting better. He's not going to be understanding about that. They might get him to calm down this year but next year the frustration will build and they won't be able to control him anymore 

[stevestojan]

10 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

The guy is the best WR the Bills have ever had. Do not get rid of him. The goal is to be better, not worse 

 

Exactly. We have both the best receiver we’ve ever had and the best QB we’ll likely ever see. How there is discussion of anything other than a WR1b to support Diggs or OL to protect Josh is beyond me. 

[CoudyBills]

32 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

I’ve heard the same kind of analysis as Simms had from Greg Cosell who said the Bills have no offensive rhythm and the run the ball because it’s something they’re supposed to do.

 

But what I don’t hear is the follow up / one step further analysis that comes after that first statement.

 

And a thought I had on that was tempo. The Bills don’t vary tempo, instead they opt to drain every second of the play clock before snapping the ball. 
 

In regards to Allen, Warner’s tape showed that there are underneath routes built into the offense. Is Allen cerebral enough to take advantage of that going forward? I don’t know.

 

So that’s where I say, one thing he can control is his fitness and there I see and opportunity. Hope he is working with Palmer again this off-season. But I don’t know how serious he is with the diet and weight room. But I think he can do more in those areas. 
 

Maybe I'm not the only one who thought Josh looked a lit more like me this year than himself with regard to the body shape?

[stevestojan]

9 minutes ago, Steptide said:

He mentioned something about being a different team after week 9. Wtf happened after week 9? Was that Allen's injury? 

I think the injury happened on the 2nd to last play in week 8 against GB so yeah, the timing matches. 
 

But I can’t confirm if that’s the same week the entire offensive line quit, or if it’s the same week Gabe Davis decided to start hating footballs. 

[Success]

He saw the same thing we all did.  I even said during the game that it didn't look like the team had "juice."

 

I don't care if people call it an excuse.  They were emotionally spent. They didn't just "not show" or "choke."  It was a crazy season, and there was just a bit too much adversity.  It can reach a tipping point, and we saw that.  The Bengals had more of a chip on their shoulder, too. 

 

I reject the "window" argument that centers around having to win while you still have an elite QB on his rookie contract.  NFL history says otherwise, and while Beane has had his misses, I trust him to work the cap, draft & FA to keep a competitive team around JA. We'll have better teams than we had this past season.

 

[First Round Bust]

10 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

I think he knows the coaches don’t have it.  
 

His “it’s been 3 years” response to getting over the hump is pretty telling. 
 

He could have said “I trust the staff to get it right or where we need to be.”

 

 

I’m not going to defend him.  I’m not going to call this disruptive either or that he’s a problem.

 

I am going to say this staff was finished the second that 13 seconds happened.  

nah...I never subscribe to the emotional "drama queen" statements or conclusions such as "make it or break it" game or year...but to be more objective than emotional, the team was awesome this past season and our expectations were sky high and there was no woe are we..until we played and coached like crap in the Bengals game at home of all places...so how do we get over the playoff hump and the Marin Lewis syndrome of a head coach who is good but maybe not good enough ? 

 

One more year for same coords I guess is not going to make any of the cerebral giants on this portal of elevated football thought happy but McD is putting a lot of pressure on himself to roll-it-all-back-again with same staff sans S and WR coaches...you cant fire Dorsey after on season esp since your star qb picked him...but we do need to tighten-up and mix schemes and coverage up on D and not stay nickel every play perhaps as well as not have to burn timeouts every game cuz we are not in the right D scheme on third downs....

 

Ultimately do you trust the Pegulas to make right choice when firing and more importantly hiring the right coach to imrpove a pretty good situation ?  Not really...

[Meatloaf63]

20 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

If I recall correctly, in the first couple game against the Rams and Titans Josh took the short stuff, and it worked pretty well but as the season wore on that disappeared.

He absolutely did, don’t know why that stopped, teams didn’t take it away. It was his decision, can’t believe it was Dorsey forcing him to go long while there were easier plays to be made underneath. If that’s the case we have serious problems….

[Solomon Grundy]

10 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

You wouldn't include Hyde?

Or Poyer!! Guy played his arse off, INJURED!! 

[jahnyc]

I guess we may have a better sense of the situation with Diggs if the Bills don't restructure Diggs' contract this offseason to free up some dollars to sign and re-sign free agents.

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

You can get better by subtraction. Chiefs traded Hill and were able to get better. But the Chiefs do have some luxuries the Bills do not (Kelce and and offense/QB that have proven to be able to spread the ball around).

 

I don’t believe Diggs would bring anywhere close to the same haul in picks as Hill.

 

Bills are in a bad spot right now where they need to make the team better in a number of different spots but have few resources to do so. Unfortunately things have been so mismanaged that it seems trading Diggs would neither free up enough cap space or being back enough picks to make it worth pursuing.

Allen has proven he can "spread the ball around" to.  Check out how many different receivers he completes passes to in games over the last few years.

 

And when the Chiefs traded Hill (they tried to keep him by all accounts) they went out and got two solid WR's to at least soften the loss.  BOTH WR's that the Chiefs brought in were better then Crowder, the Bills big of season WR addition going into 2022. And let's not even start about the O line, a unit the Chiefs put big money into to best protect their franchise QB.  And all this happened after Mahomes rookie contract was up.

 

There is no need to let Diggs go.  In fact it would be a huge mistake to do so.  What is needed is a pivot by the Bills to stacking the offense with as much talent as the CAP allows.  This includes finding a true #2 WR to compliment Diggs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Chicken Boo]

Everyone talks about wasting Josh's talent, but we're literally squandering prime Stef years.  

 

His physical peak is only for 2 or 3 more years, barring injury.  

Edited February 11, 2023 by Chicken Boo

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

1 hour ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

You can get better by subtraction. Chiefs traded Hill and were able to get better. But the Chiefs do have some luxuries the Bills do not (Kelce and and offense/QB that have proven to be able to spread the ball around).

 

I don’t believe Diggs would bring anywhere close to the same haul in picks as Hill.

 

Bills are in a bad spot right now where they need to make the team better in a number of different spots but have few resources to do so. Unfortunately things have been so mismanaged that it seems trading Diggs would neither free up enough cap space or being back enough picks to make it worth pursuing.

I don’t think the chiefs are better without Hill. I bet if you asked Mahomes he’s say the same thing.

[SCBills]

Thankful for Diggs. If we had more like him, I’d be much more confident in this team.  
 

Diggs is very self aware.  He knows he has 2-3 more prime years left in him.  He’s not Josh Allen, who will have, potentially, a decade more of chances as a top dog. 
 

Some here mentioning Allen didn’t give off the confidence vibes we were hoping to see in the playoffs … and that’s valid.  However, I can’t get past the fact he has far less to work with than Mahomes or Burrow.  His OL, when healthy, was worse than KC/CIN, and his WR2 is incapable of running a quick passing game.  Add in the lack of a reliable slot, and we start to see why he reverted to trying to constantly push the ball down the field.  That all came to a head against the Bengals.  
 

Edited February 11, 2023 by SCBills