Stefon Diggs - “I watched the game five times”

[BillsSbSoon]

What a lot of people are missing about drafting another wr is the bigger picture. We need to be drafting with the thought of we need a future #1 not just wr2. And It’s pretty clear diggs is going to ask out if we don’t get it done next year

[Ya Digg?]

Just now, BillsSbSoon said:

What a lot of people are missing about drafting another wr is the bigger picture. We need to be drafting with the thought of we need a future #1 not just wr2. And It’s pretty clear diggs is going to ask out if we don’t get it done next year

Pretty clear? How so? You think it’s clear he wants to leave a top 2-3 QB in the league? 

[Sargent Hulka]

45 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

Mike White: 27/44 268 yards 0 TD

 

His career best game was actually last year against the Cincinnati Bengals  

 

Skylar Thompson: 17/45 220 yards 1 TD and 2 picks… lowest completion percentage of the season. The 3 Josh Allen turnovers helped him get the ball in numerous short fields. 
 

Mac Jones: 26/40 243 yards 3 TDs and 3 picks 

 

Two weeks prior he went 18/22 for 240 2 TDs and 0 INT against Cincinnati 😂

 

Seemingly having career days is just you being an absolute troll 😂

 

Point taken. Thanks for compiling those stats. Anecdotally, and viscerally, watching those games, it seemed those aforementioned QB's were able to move the ball with disquieting regularity. Like anyone else on this board, I express my opinions. I am not some troll on here. I've been following this football team since 1965, and like everyone else on here, I want a championship, and patience has worn thin with excuses. Cheers!

[BillsSbSoon]

2 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

Pretty clear? How so? You think it’s clear he wants to leave a top 2-3 QB in the league? 

What do you think is really going to happen if we get bounced out again next year? He’s just going to be like oh ok guys no big deal? I will say though if he wants to go to Dallas, good luck with that stef. Dak? Lmao please

[Billz4ever]

3 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Current HOFers Reed & Lofton say ‘Hi!’ 👋

So is Josh not a better QB than Jim because Jim is in the HOF?

[Just Jack]

11 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

I think he knows the coaches don’t have it.  
 

His “it’s been 3 years” response to getting over the hump is pretty telling. 
 

He could have said “I trust the staff to get it right or where we need to be.”

 

 

I’m not going to defend him.  I’m not going to call this disruptive either or that he’s a problem.

 

I am going to say this staff was finished the second that 13 seconds happened.  

 

Did someone say 13 seconds?

 

Several factors contributed to the loss

 

1) 13 seconds

2) they had all three time outs left

3) they had Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill

4) some Bills players and coaches were already celebrating on the sidelines like the game was over

5) they only needed a FG to tie and go to OT.

[JGMcD2]

12 minutes ago, Sargent Hulka said:

Point taken. Thanks for compiling those stats. Anecdotally, and viscerally, watching those games, it seemed those aforementioned QB's were able to move the ball with disquieting regularity. Like anyone else on this board, I express my opinions. I am not some troll on here. I've been following this football team since 1965, and like everyone else on here, I want a championship, and patience has worn thin with excuses. Cheers!

Fair enough my man. 
 

Go Bills! 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

10 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Any talk of trading diggs is ludicrous

With the lack of talent at skill players (esp WR) it’s absolutely insane that anyone would even consider it. 

[Big Blitz]

8 minutes ago, Just Jack said:

 

Did someone say 13 seconds?

 

Several factors contributed to the loss

 

1) 13 seconds

2) they had all three time outs left

3) they had Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill

4) some Bills players and coaches were already celebrating on the sidelines like the game was over

5) they only needed a FG to tie and go to OT.

 

Tell that to the players.  

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Diggs watched it five times, looking for ways to improve.  Many here probably did the same.

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What concerns me are those who watched expecting a different outcome.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

22 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I don’t think the chiefs are better without Hill. I bet if you asked Mahomes he’s say the same thing.

 

They are back to the super bowl without him. They certainly haven't lost a step. You have to build an entire team for the present and the future. Moving on from Hill enabled the Chiefs to do that. The Bills don't have that luxury if they, move on from Diggs. They have way more holes and Diggs isn't returning the same value. 

 

My point though is that it can be done in the right situation. Chiefs were set up nicely to do so because of the return and because of the fact that they still have Kelce. If the Bills essentially had two Diggs on the roster and could trade one, create cap room for the future, while keeping the other but getting a 1st and 4 other picks in return it would be a no brainer move. 

41 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Allen has proven he can "spread the ball around" to.  Check out how many different receivers he completes passes to in games over the last few years.

 

 

I don't think the Bills and Allen are on the Andy Reid/Mahomes level of spreading the ball around. That makes getting rid of the Bills primary target option an issue. The only good thing would be that the Bills offense and Allen would essentially be forced to change the scheme and spread the ball around even more. Utilize Knox and the backs even more. 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

34 minutes ago, BillsSbSoon said:

What a lot of people are missing about drafting another wr is the bigger picture. We need to be drafting with the thought of we need a future #1 not just wr2. And It’s pretty clear diggs is going to ask out if we don’t get it done next year

 

I'd expect quite a few players to seek greener pastures if the Bills don't get it done next year. At minimum need a conference championship game appearance. Eventually things just get stale. How do you continue to find motivation at the same employer when you are going backwards? At least the early 90's teams were making it to the pinnacle of excellence every season. I could see how they could maintain the focus and mindset. There will be mass changes everywhere outside of QB in 2024 if the Bills don't at least make the AFC championship game. 

[Jerome007]

I do understand the Bills finally being deflated with all they went through and all that, but... that's why slogans are for. "Find a way" was the one this year. Plus it was for Hamlin. I mean, zombie walk through the week if burned out, but be fiery on game day!

[HappyDays]

Diggs needs to take it down just a notch. There's a fine line between being an ultra competitor who hates losing and being toxic to your team. Airing his feelings publicly is not the right way to handle his frustrations.

 

Someone else on here can probably verify this but what Diggs said to Allen on the sidelines in the Bengals game was "What's your excuse now Josh?" Apparently Allen had missed that throw a couple times in practice and told Diggs he would hit it in the game, but didn't. So Diggs laid into him. Which IMO is not the right way to handle it. Try to raise your QB up, don't hit him below the belt when he's already down. I'm sure Allen and Diggs are still cool but come on man.

[SACTOBILLSFAN]

11 hours ago, The Wiz said:

I'm not going to say that his attitude is anything other than someone that wants to win but at the same time, the rest of the team is/was already feeling it and adding on another emotional factor isn't what they needed.

You have no idea if that’s true. None of us are in the locker room, I’ll be on the side of one of the team leaders knowing what is needed or isn’t needed and not someone reading stupid narratives on the internet. 

[Billz4ever]

6 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Diggs needs to take it down just a notch. There's a fine line between being an ultra competitor who hates losing and being toxic to your team. Airing his feelings publicly is not the right way to handle his frustrations.

 

Someone else on here can probably verify this but what Diggs said to Allen on the sidelines in the Bengals game was "What's your excuse now Josh?" Apparently Allen had missed that throw a couple times in practice and told Diggs he would hit it in the game, but didn't. So Diggs laid into him. Which IMO is not the right way to handle it. Try to raise your QB up, don't hit him below the belt when he's already down. I'm sure Allen and Diggs are still cool but come on man.

The only thing I had heard about that was Diggs was telling Josh to "not listen to him" meaning Dorsey.  

[HappyDays]

Just now, Billz4ever said:

The only thing I had heard about that was Diggs was telling Josh to "not listen to him" meaning Dorsey.  

 

Somebody made that up. The mic'd up audio that we usually see after games caught what Diggs said, but of course the Bills will never release that audio. I have it on good authority he said "What is your excuse now Josh?"

[NoHuddleKelly12]

11 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Any talk of trading diggs is ludicrous

I agree with you to an extent—I think KC has shown by way of Hill to Miami that it is possible to take a King’s ransom for a great player and help create a deeper, talented roster in return. Not saying I’m advocating trading him by any means however! 

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

I agree with you to an extent—I think KC has shown by way of Hill to Miami that it is possible to take a King’s ransom for a great player and help create a deeper, talented roster in return. Not saying I’m advocating trading him by any means however! 

Kansas City also showed us the way to actually improve the roster, and that is to address the past protection, and run blocking

 

Do that and this team looks a whole lot better

[NoHuddleKelly12]

34 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Diggs watched it five times, looking for ways to improve.  Many here probably did the same.

*
What concerns me are those who watched expecting a different outcome.

My Jan 1993 self says hello and thinks this time my VHS copy of SB XXVII will end with Dallas epically collapsing in the 4th quarter…🥴

[Don Otreply]

2 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

Phil Sims just started that the Bills play calling inhibited Allen. Saying the play calling had no sychronicity. It was like no play set up another play. One by one individual play calls. 

Allen certainly can play better!

This right here ^^^, Simms is a Guy who sees that sequencing plays so they work to create an offense that flows one play to another is critical for a QB and the entire offenses success, Dorsey at present has not wrapped his mind around how to do this. 

 

GO  BILLS!!!

[somnus00]

12 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

This team has 3 players whom I would never question their heart or passion to win.  Josh, Stefon and Matt.  These are the type of players you build around, not ever get rid of.

I really don't understand people questioning his attitude. He's not being a diva, he's not trying to pad his stats. We're lucky to have him. I wish we had a few more with his fight. 

[Just Jack]

1 hour ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Diggs watched it five times, looking for ways to improve.  Many here probably did the same.

*
What concerns me are those who watched expecting a different outcome.

 

 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 minute ago, Just Jack said:

 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

3 hours ago, Meatloaf63 said:

Not a secret Beane has a lot of work to do, he has to make painful decisions, not sure if it’s possible but his decision making has to seriously improve. Does he have the guts to ignore McDermott and build this team to win it all instead of being regular season hero’s? Can his draft actually make a difference? Does he have the coaching in place to use his  draft picks and free agent acquisitions properly? Does Dorsey have what it takes to reign in Josh’s poor decision making and refusal to use the short game to control the clock and move the sticks? Does McDermott actually understand why his defense continuously underperforms in the playoffs? I don’t think a healthy squad is as far away as some think they are, but there are critical decisions and moves to made this offseason. The Chiefs have almost rebuilt their roster in a few seasons and as painful as some of the decisions looked on the surface, they have resulted in the team producing on the field. Is Beane smart enough to understand this and execute this? Yet to be seen, but with Frazier still here and his pathetic end of the year news conference, signs point to no….

I agree with everything you said but the biggest and first question that needs to be answered is who really runs this team? Beane or McDermott?  Once you accurately answer that, you can start the job of fixing the issues. 

[BillsDad51]

Hopefully when Diggs rewatched the game he could see that his QB was getting the crap kicked out of him on every dropback.

[Beck Water]

6 hours ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said:

I saw Erik Turner said on Twitter that Diggs laid into Josh! Not sure what he said?

 

I was wondering that myself.  Anyone?

 

9 hours ago, Ray Stonada said:

I love that he watched it five times to figure out what went wrong.
 

He should have been targeted more in that game. If they bracket him, scheme him open like they do with Chase or Jefferson. 

 

Buffalo needs five more guys with Diggs’ mentality.

 

Diggs was targeted 10 times in that game.  He had 4 receptions.

Edited February 11, 2023 by Beck Water

[Ethan in Cleveland]

He's the only guy that showed up with any intensity.  

He is not a me guy.  He is a winner and a competitor.

Diggs is not the problem.  It is the coaching.  He knows it. The players know it.  They knew they were being outcoached and they just ran out of gas with all the crap they dealt with.  

[Beck Water]

3 hours ago, Meatloaf63 said:

After the offensive line, Allen was his own worst enemy as the season wore in. His refusal to see and take the available option was terrible. Whether that was because how terrible the line was or just arm arrogance is up to argument. Did Daboll control this part of his game? Can Dorsey take the needed to fix this? The book doesn’t work on Josh if he just made better decisions…

 

This.  This.  This.

[LABILLBACKER]

11 hours ago, Herc11 said:

We need players that aren't going to except the failures of the past. Our coaches seem hell bent on rinsing and repeating. So hopefully a player like diggs can help influence some change and development with our young OC.

I think both Josh and Stefon need to ask for a meeting with Beane and Sean. They need to be able to express their concerns.  Maybe bring up the FACT that they're sick and tired of seeing the defense get all the spoils. And then these 2 guys are asked to cover up all the mistakes made defensively. 

 

Jesus.....they need help. This has been an ongoing problem ignored by McB for over 3 years. Upgrade the damn OL.  Upgrade the damn running game. Upgrade the damn wrs not named Diggs.  And maybe the most important thing to save " both your damn jobs" is Upgrade the damn coordinators.  

[Beck Water]

3 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

If I recall correctly, in the first couple game against the Rams and Titans Josh took the short stuff, and it worked pretty well but as the season wore on that disappeared.

 

Yes.  But it disappeared prior to the point Diggs mentioned (first 9 weeks). 

 

Part of it, I'm pretty sure, was Josh's elbow/shoulder (I still think something happened to him the 2nd half of the GB game).  Anatomically, Josh improved in his short throw accuracy when he became a more rotational thrower.  Josh has let fall a few tidbits that  indicate he reverted to a more linear throwing motion to spare his elbow, and only was able to start getting back to his preferred technique the last 2 weeks.

 

But, part of it is mental.  Someone mentioned that the Pittsburgh game was pretty much the worst thing that could have happened to Josh - success with the "Bombs Away" "Touchdowns First!" mentality.

 

2 hours ago, SCBills said:

Some here mentioning Allen didn’t give off the confidence vibes we were hoping to see in the playoffs … and that’s valid.  However, I can’t get past the fact he has far less to work with than Mahomes or Burrow.  His OL, when healthy, was worse than KC/CIN, and his WR2 is incapable of running a quick passing game.  Add in the lack of a reliable slot, and we start to see why he reverted to trying to constantly push the ball down the field.  That all came to a head against the Bengals. 

 

It's true that Josh has fewer top receiving weapons than Cincy or even KC.  But that's not why Josh has "reverted to trying to push the ball down the field".  If you watch film you can often see Knox, Cook, Morris, yes McKenzie and sometimes Diggs open underneath for significant gains.

[BillsDad51]

3 hours ago, Meatloaf63 said:

After the offensive line, Allen was his own worst enemy as the season wore in. His refusal to see and take the available option was terrible. Whether that was because how terrible the line was or just arm arrogance is up to argument. Did Daboll control this part of his game? Can Dorsey take the needed to fix this? The book doesn’t work on Josh if he just made better decisions…

Agree. Last season, in the two no-punt games vs. Pats, Allen was taking the underneath stuff. Bills were putting together 5-minute scoring drives. At Rams season opener, Allen was getting the ball out fast to counter Aaron Donald pass rush. That all disappeared the rest of the season. Was it Allen? Dorsey? Defenses adjusting? Sometimes I think the two TD bombs against Steelers were the worst thing for the offense.

[SCBills]

12 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Yes.  But it disappeared prior to the point Diggs mentioned (first 9 weeks). 

 

Part of it, I'm pretty sure, was Josh's elbow/shoulder (I still think something happened to him the 2nd half of the GB game).  Anatomically, Josh improved in his short throw accuracy when he became a more rotational thrower.  Josh has let fall a few tidbits that  indicate he reverted to a more linear throwing motion to spare his elbow, and only was able to start getting back to his preferred technique the last 2 weeks.

 

But, part of it is mental.  Someone mentioned that the Pittsburgh game was pretty much the worst thing that could have happened to Josh - success with the "Bombs Away" "Touchdowns First!" mentality.

 

 

It's true that Josh has fewer top receiving weapons than Cincy or even KC.  But that's not why Josh has "reverted to trying to push the ball down the field".  If you watch film you can often see Knox, Cook, Morris, yes McKenzie and sometimes Diggs open underneath for significant gains.

I agree that Josh just stopped looking for underneath gains, but im willing to give him an excuse that the season compounded on him, leading to his vision/play style changing.  
 

If it happens again next year, it’s a problem. 

[nedboy7]

1 hour ago, Just Jack said:

 

 

 

You could apply this concept to these threads.  Does crying about the same thing every single day somehow change who is gonna coach this team next year? 

[Mc1320]

I’m not sure where the confusion comes in - we got dominated in the trenches on both sides of the ball and made two huge errors in coverage to go down 14-0.

[LABILLBACKER]

4 hours ago, Dopey said:

So now you doubled the amount of “dawgs” we have?!?  😂😂

Did you smoke a bowl for more clarity?! 

I double dawg dare you to smoke a bowl with me. Then you'll really get some clarity. 

[dave mcbride]

3 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Diggs needs to take it down just a notch. There's a fine line between being an ultra competitor who hates losing and being toxic to your team. Airing his feelings publicly is not the right way to handle his frustrations.

 

Someone else on here can probably verify this but what Diggs said to Allen on the sidelines in the Bengals game was "What's your excuse now Josh?" Apparently Allen had missed that throw a couple times in practice and told Diggs he would hit it in the game, but didn't. So Diggs laid into him. Which IMO is not the right way to handle it. Try to raise your QB up, don't hit him below the belt when he's already down. I'm sure Allen and Diggs are still cool but come on man.

Which throw was it?

[3rdand12]

7 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

Bills need a mature leader.  Josh is still young.  Guys like Diggs aren't going to rally or calm or focus the team.  Hopefully Von Miller can be that guy again next season.  

Goes back to Josh and his maturation from season to season.
 I fully expect he is nowhere near his mental acuity ceiling and will show growth year over year.
The Dorsey influence (pouty emotional immature ) was telling. and showed up in the Offense's being out of sorts at critical moments.
 Diggs is exactly whom I want on this team ! But not the one to oversee what the Offense does feels and how they react. Thats back on Josh

 Go Bills

[Wayne Arnold]

1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Does Dorsey have what it takes to reign in Josh’s poor decision making and refusal to use the short game to control the clock and move the sticks?

 

 

That's Dorsey's issue? The quarterback?

[Mr. WEO]

4 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

Goes back to Josh and his maturation from season to season.
 I fully expect he is nowhere near his mental acuity ceiling and will show growth year over year.
The Dorsey influence (pouty emotional immature ) was telling. and showed up in the Offense's being out of sorts at critical moments.
 Diggs is exactly whom I want on this team ! But not the one to oversee what the Offense does feels and how they react. Thats back on Josh

 Go Bills

 

do we really want to hear a seasoned vet telling the public "what am i looking at?  what's going on out there?" , after being treated to his yelling-at-the-QB for targets shtick?

 

A leader doesn't say those things out loud.  Remember when we were all treated with image of Diggs looking forlornly at the Chiefs trophy celebration after the Bills lost to KC the first time? He said it was "something I will never forget".  Notably, McClappy added his personal, trucker-cap ready catchphrase/logo:  “We obviously didn’t play our best game, but we’re going to learn from this experience.”  He's gonna need a bigger hat....

 

That was 2 years ago.  Who wants to hear all this again?