Stanley Lombardi Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 Domes literally lack atmosphere. As they stifle the elements, domes deaden the game. 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 4 hours ago, LeGOATski said: You're full of ***** Look at the win/loss record in Orchard Park: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/stadiums/BUF00.htm And it's not like the Bills have been a hugely successful franchise. The fact is that playing in Buffalo in the elements late is absolutely an advantage. The organization knows this. Compare that to the win/loss record in a dome like New Orleans over the same time period: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/stadiums/NOR00.htm Despite what many people like to claim, domes even the playing field for both teams more than outdoor stadiums do. Invite worse teams to your cushy dome and they're going to play better football. How was that late season home field advantage in the time between when Kelly & Allen were the QB’s? My guess is, not so much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleezoid Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 Sooo, no dome then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 Unless the weather conditions are genuinely extreme (i.e. below zero with significant winds, a really heavy rain in 32.5 degree weather) you don't even notice it when you're on the field. You're so caught up in the heat of combat that the external stuff all just kind of goes away. None of this dome talk is about player comfort, it's all about the fans. As far as it affecting the offense negatively? The other night the Bills opened the second half with 4 straight punts and fumble on 5 drives where they averaged about 3 plays per drive in clear weather with minimal wind. As soon as it started snowing and blowing they reeled off a pair of 80 yrd drives to win the game. This is not about the players, it's about the fans. 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 Was there controversy over whether to build a dome? Doesn’t seem like a bad idea, maybe downtown. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 I don't know about anyone else, but the two types of weather I can't stand are windy and rainy or bitter cold. And I tolerate bitter cold better. What I want is a grass field because I think it is better for player safety and because I am nostalgic for games with mud in them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 13 hours ago, billsfanmiamioh said: If this doesn’t settle it once and for all…. In ideal world I wanted a retractable roof. But im not paying for it, so I don’t have the right to complain. The initial rendering were really nice. Another ideal design I wish we could’ve mimicked was the Vikings’ stadium. So much glass it doesn’t feel like you’re playing inside. I absolutely love it. That’s one of my fav stadiums. That being said, im happy with future renderings. They better include those massive buffalos out in front. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 Talking points from his organization that's it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 Toeing the company line. What's he supposed to say after his boss just spent over $1 billion on a new open air stadium? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 2 hours ago, Stanley Lombardi said: Domes literally lack atmosphere. As they stifle the elements, domes deaden the game. They're like sitting in a big warehouse watching football. Especially Indy and Detroit. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: Toeing the company line. What's he supposed to say after his boss just spent over $1 billion on a new open air stadium? Isn't most of the stadium funding coming from NY state taxpayers? And its not a popular budget item in the state legislature. So its amusing how many posters here are up in arms over lack of dome when in reality there would have been no financial support for it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 I’m too lazy to look, but he made comments last year indicating he’d like a dome, but it looked like it wasn’t going to happen and there was nothing he could do. Now, I think he’s just supporting the decision. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 2 hours ago, LabattBlue said: How was that late season home field advantage in the time between when Kelly & Allen were the QB’s? My guess is, not so much. It’s an advantage , but can only go so far. It can’t make up for not having a decent QB for around 20 years 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 1 hour ago, chris heff said: Was there controversy over whether to build a dome? Doesn’t seem like a bad idea, maybe downtown. Controversy no, Ankle biter yes. Some who will bring it up constantly even on unconnected threads yes. I think reducing capacity is more controversial than dome since majority of teams in AFC do not have domes and only 1 Indianapolis has one who is not share crop sharing with a NFC team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 The open air farce and waste of tax payer money will be looming over Buffalo and it's tax base for decades after Josh Allen is retired 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 14 hours ago, NewEra said: He’s saying what the face of the franchise that just committed to an open air stadium has to say Yep. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Almighty Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 I was at this game and it was great! You can't really see how much it was snowing in this video but I could hardly see Moulds catching those balls. I believe it snowed 14 inches in the 4th quarter alone. The cold was unbearable but that is the home field advantage. I also went to a Bills vs Jets game and my beer froze lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 14 hours ago, LabattBlue said: This 100%…and guaranteed if the Bills were building a domed stadium, Allen would be all for it. Josh doesn't want an open air stadium...the fans do. He'll say what the fans want to hear. This whole argument doesn't really matter anymore since plans have already been drawn. Our stadium will be open air with an enhanced canopy. Hopefully this reduces the wind. Snow games we'll have an advantage considering the ball will have a better grip than on rainy days. I personally would've preferred spending the extra 400M on a dome. I just don't want to see any weather neutralize Josh's physical abilities. But I totally understand the local sentiment about keeping it open. Won't deny how cool it was seeing that snow in the 4th quarter. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 Unlike many Bills fans, Josh realizes the conversation is over. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 I actually would rather have a dome for hot games than hold. I can heat up for cold games with hot packs and proper dressing but hot games you just bake worst game I went to was like week one of college football and it was UT (austin tx) at home 100+ degrees and sunny can’t even drink to cool down bc it heats up so quick also got scorched in Miami a few years back Charles clay drop game and the bills game vs the pats with fitzy when we won (worth it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 16 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: https://www.si.com/nfl/bills/.amp/news/buffalo-bills-domed-stadium-josh-allen-soft-miami-dolphins-snow-weather Well that's a relief if he said he hated it and can't stand to be cold after signing that contract the Bills would be screwed !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 I still want the dome-heads to show me where the money is coming from and how the tax payers can expect to see a return on investment. If Pegula's want to pony up I'm all for it, but they do not. I tried explaining this to a dome-head. But sed dome-head without showing any math and actually countering with a convincing argument that all the tax payer moeny would be recouped only said .... But I am still very interested in seeing math that works that would justify the extra cost of a dome. All my math has the investment coming up way short of a return on it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 6 hours ago, LabattBlue said: How was that late season home field advantage in the time between when Kelly & Allen were the QB’s? My guess is, not so much. Teams need great QBs in order to win. Woah...what a revelation.... The Saints have been great at times with one of the greatest QBs and look at their home record. Look at their 8-6 home playoff record vs the Bills' 12-1 home playoff record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 Of course he does! Football indoors under a roof sucks. Same for baseball or soccer. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Given his hurdle ability, the fact he is still a growing boy, and the public awareness of the NFL concussion issues… we don’t want him hitting his head on the ceiling now do we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 20 hours ago, NewEra said: He’s saying what the face of the franchise that just committed to an open air stadium has to say Exactly. What’s he supposed to say? “I’m your entire franchise, we pass 106% of the time, to some receivers who are lightning fast when they have clean footing, so of ***** course I’d prefer 70 degrees and perfect.” I am so over this home field advantage due to the awful weather BS. McD stated clearly in his presser when asked about them being a cold weather team (paraphrasing but very close): “we don’t practice in this, but the guys live here and travel back and forth to the stadium in it.” So I supposed doing their daily chores after having to scrape their car and turning their seat warmers on during their work commute really prepares them for god awful ***** weather. But like you said, the deal is signed for the new stadium so it’s all moot. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Josh always wanted a dome he is just doing this as PR for the brainless masses. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 16 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Our weather is such an outlier. I'd love to just have Green Bay's weather. Hopefully the new stadium will at least somewhat reduce the wind. https://weather.com/news/news/2019-09-12-nfl-worst-weather-cities Football Weather Misery Index List 1. Buffalo (77.4) 2. Green Bay (65.6) 3. Cleveland (65.2) 4. Pittsburgh (57.3) 5. Chicago (57.0) 6. Miami (56.0) 7. New England (51.6) 8. Kansas City (50.2) 9. Seattle (49.1) 10. Cincinnati (48) Simply on wrong side of Lake. Or football is played in wrong season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 I still wish that we were getting a dome. It’s a mistake IMO. I’m out there every week 4 hours before kickoff freezing my butt off. We have heaters at the tailgate and I sit under the heaters in 237. That’s about as insulated as you can be from the weather and it sucks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 (edited) Steve Tasker and Thurman Thomas Said that the buffalo weather and atmosphere created by fans is The biggest home-field advantage And neither were disappointed by the throwing of snowball’s either Edited December 22, 2022 by Buffalo716 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry jones Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 39 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Steve Tasker and Thurman Thomas Said that the buffalo weather and atmosphere created by fans is The biggest home-field advantage And neither were disappointed by the throwing of snowball’s either Exactly. Home field advantage is completely taken away by moving games indoors. Offenses nowadays are only fractionally affected by crowd noise. The playing field is literally leveled playing indoors. If these whiners can’t handle sitting in the cold for a few hours 2-3 times a year, then give up the seats. Others will gladly take them over!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 21 hours ago, Process said: He's from California. He's full of crap lol. He's been asked in the past if he would prefer a dome to which he replied "no comment." he told T Pegula to build a dome. This latest is psych opps for the opposing teams. LOL.....annnnnnd to appease the vocal minority of Bills fans who prefer no dome. 😎😆 Allen is smart. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 I would bet that most humans support open air... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 7 hours ago, Bubba Gump said: They're like sitting in a big warehouse watching football. Especially Indy and Detroit. those two and Vikings are great atmosphere. You need to go to games there and you will find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 11 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: I would bet that most humans support open air... not in WNY they don't. All polls always show clear majority of Bills fans prefer a dome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 21 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: He’s from central north California… same as Brady … Who is one of the greatest cold-weather quarterbacks of all time Brady went to Michigan Josh went to Wyoming… both with adverse weather Diggs said in his interview today “everyone hates the cold. Anyone who says they don’t hate it are lying.”. Cold is uncomfortable comfortable >>>>> uncomfortable only fans like the thought of being a cold weather team. The players would all prefer to be comfortable. Regardless what fans think. People are different in 2022 than they were in the 60s-90s 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, NewEra said: Diggs said in his interview today “everyone hates the cold. Anyone who says they don’t hate it are lying.”. Cold is uncomfortable comfortable >>>>> uncomfortable only fans like the thought of being a cold weather team. The players would all prefer to be comfortable. Regardless what fans think. People are different in 2022 than they were in the 60s-90s Not liking the cold and being able to play football in it are completely different Football is not a sport for soft people… In 1960 or 2022 Diggs might not like it but he’s tough And he can play in it It’s actually a mindset The players are much more comfortable than the fans who are stationary 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 17 minutes ago, cba fan said: not in WNY they don't. All polls always show clear majority of Bills fans prefer a dome. By a 2 to 1 margin, residents of the 13 westernmost NY counties polled against the state's funding deal for the stadium at all... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 16 hours ago, eball said: Link? Allen also told T Pegula to build a dome at a practice during bad weather in fieldhouse during week leading up to the bad weather game loss vs Pats last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Not liking the cold and being able to play football in it are completely different Football is not a sport for soft people… In 1960 or 2022 Diggs might not like it but he’s tough And he can play in it It’s actually a mindset The players are much more comfortable than the fans who are stationary Of course he can play in it- I’m just saying- most players prefer to not play in the cold. They couldn’t care less about that advantage of bills fans standing in the cold. It doesn’t matter if they’re more comfortable than the fans. They’re more comfortable than prisoners in death row too. It’s irrelevant. player to player- the large majority prefer to be as comfortable as they can. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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