Tre'Davious White - when will he be ready?

[Deadstroke]

1 hour ago, DJB said:

Unlikely he plays this week. I would think the following week

We have been saying that for a few weeks now.  

[Rico]

13 minutes ago, boyst said:

This is also likely but not a factor in any decisions the Bills are making 

Not a factor in any Bills’ decisions, but I think it’s easy to believe that OBJ is a factor in Tre’s decisions.

[BarleyNY]

1 hour ago, JayBaller10 said:

I think you missed McD’s thoughts on this  from a few days ago. “At some point you just have to go.” I think the decision is entirely Tre’s and the organization has been supportive and in his corner up until this point. The longer this draws out, you start to see chinks in that support, especially with teammates playing under various ailments.

This was the turning point for me and my opinion on this. People need to consider that he will likely be worked in slowly when he comes back. He can start by playing less meaningful snaps. There was certainly opportunity for that on Sunday. 

[BillsFan4]

56 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

“At some point we’ve got to go”

 

Puts the holdout squarely on White, not the organization, but does so in an understanding McD way.

I agree.

 

 

 

I think the most telling line was when Mcdermott said “if this is the level he feels he needs to be at…”

 

 

Having torn my acl (and MCL + meniscus) I get it. It took me a long time to feel comfortable with my knee again. I’m sure he’s thinking about his career, not just this season.

Edited November 21, 2022 by BillsFan4

[Deadstroke]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Cleared to play and ready to play are not remotely the same thing though.  He was cleared to return to practice sure.  But he still hasn’t played a down of football in a year.  He still has to get into game shape, he still has to test the injury and see how it’s responding, he still has to rebuild all the strength and ability to cut and change directions, etc etc.  

 

Sorry, no disrespect but he will be ready when he’s ready.  The absolute worst thing to do would be to rush him back into the game.  
 

And the reality is…we lost to Vikings because we fumbled the game away after the game was over.  We lost to Dolphins because Bass missed a FG, we lost to Jets because they hit their 50+ yard FG and we missed ours.

 

In other words, if not for the offense, we would be undefeated right now.  
 

Tre is not the problem.  For people to pile on someone not coming back sooner from a serious injury is not really fair to Tre.  

He is a what? six year veteran pro bowler.  If he can't get ready after being cleared to play 3 or 4 weeks ago, is just might be mental.

[Returntoglory]

3 minutes ago, KellyToTasker said:

Doctors, teams, players have much more confidence in today’s procedures/rehab. He is falling into the exception category. 

Maybe so. At his level of compete and depending on his mental makeup, this could be an uphill climb.

[whorlnut]

2 minutes ago, Deadstroke said:

He is a what? six year veteran pro bowler.  If he can't get ready after being cleared to play 3 or 4 weeks ago, is just might be mental.

It’s absolutely mental. 

[VaMilBill]

1 hour ago, TheWeatherMan said:

We’ve been saying this for 5 weeks now

It’s like the “Stadium Renderings” thread. Rinse and repeat every week

[Deadstroke]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Agree with all of this minus the bolded.  We lost each of those games for various reasons….none more so than Josh throwing terrible interceptions (minny and nyj) and a terrible throw to dirty for a TD (Miami).  He’s our franchise and he failed in all 3 games.  

Once he got going he was something like 18-21 on his passing and we scored on 5 straight drives.

[Special K]

8 minutes ago, Deadstroke said:

He is a what? six year veteran pro bowler.  If he can't get ready after being cleared to play 3 or 4 weeks ago, is just might be mental.

 

It is a mental hurdle that he needs to clear, but I think the only way to clear it is to get out there and play.

 

I've never been in his situation, and I'm sure everyone is different, but if it were me, I would want to get out there on the field and test it to help clear that mental hurdle.

[teef]

if tre comes back and help leads this team to playoff wins, none of this will mean anything.  if he doesn't play this season, i have to imagine he may not play as a bill again.  my guess is that he may not feel that he's physically where he needs to be. 

[Ecmic82]

He’s had three weeks to reincorporate as a practice participant after eleven months of what I’m sure was often a physically and mentally deleterious process. 

Not a long time, perhaps especially because he’s mentally reaching for the extremely high bar of performance expectation that he’s cleared throughout his career.

 

I have zero concern that there’s any ill intent for not playing. So I’m not concerned that he isn’t playing.

[teef]

2 minutes ago, Ecmic82 said:

He’s had three weeks to reincorporate as a practice participant after eleven months of what I’m sure was often a physically and mentally deleterious process. 

Not a long time, perhaps especially because he’s mentally reaching for the extremely high bar of performance expectation that he’s cleared throughout his career.

 

I have zero concern that there’s any ill intent for not playing. So I’m not concerned that he isn’t playing.

this is exactly where i'm at with in as of now.  

[julian]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

You really don't know that.

 

It's possible that Tre looks bad in practice and is getting smoked, but that could entirely be a physical issue still.  There's a difference between physically healthy, and physically able to play NFL CB at a very high level.  The fact is we have had quite high level play from the combination of Jackson, Benford and Elam (albeit with rookie mistakes and miscues) most of the season.

You’re acting as those the idea of White not being able to cross a mental hurdle at this point is some kind of personal attack, White will give it a go when he feels ready or the team gives him an ultimatum.

 

 No big deal, why some posters feel the need to defend the honour of a player who needs no defending is a little strange.

 

 Mental illness or anything related to the mental aspect of injury recovery is a real thing, hope he plays this year, if not then oh well, next man up

[BuffaloRebound]

This is clearly a delicate situation.  From the player’s perspective, you don’t pay me more for coming back before I feel 100% and if I get hurt again you sure as hell aren’t compensating me for coming back before I felt completely ready.  

From the team perspective, we’re paying you a lot of money and every week you remain out it hurts our ultimate goal of getting home field advantage and winning a super bowl.  

At some point though, you’d hope a guy would get out there for his teammates especially with all the injuries in the secondary.  

[Bad Things]

2 hours ago, Deadstroke said:

Hey, I'm a homer and been loving and defending my team for many years.  I'm usually always in a player's corner when he may be questioned for underperforming; but this thing with Tre has gone on too long.  The latest reports now have him fully healthy but perhaps not too confident of his health/current abilities. 

 

He's getting paid a ton of money and it's time to earn it now when the team really need him.  The pass defense is getting abused big time.  It's time for Tre to show up and help out.

News Flash! 

 

You don't know schitt.

[clayboy54]

1 minute ago, julian said:

You’re acting as those the idea of White not being able to cross a mental hurdle at this point is some kind of personal attack, White will give it a go when he feels ready or the team gives him an ultimatum.

 

 No big deal, why some posters feel the need to defend the honour of a player who needs no defending is a little strange.

 

 Mental illness or anything related to the mental aspect of injury recovery is a real thing, hope he plays this year, if not then oh well, next man up

OMG! Tre White is mentally ill. I read it right here!

 

that’s the last straw… we’re well and truly cursed.

[RobbRiddick]

30 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

I’m sure he’s thinking about his career, not just this season.

 

That's exactly it. And not just his career in terms of being worried about re-injuring it but also he doesn't want to go out and get burned by some second rate receiver he'd usually dominate. That's when the stuff starts being said about him being past his best etc. He's an all pro and wants to maintain his rep.

 

So long as we make the playoffs and he's back for them at full strength, that's the main thing for me even though I'd love to have him out there now

[NewEra]

11 minutes ago, Deadstroke said:

Once he got going he was something like 18-21 on his passing and we scored on 5 straight drives.

Yes….and he failed in those 3 games that we’re talking about.  Not sure why you would quote me on this

[without a drought]

I've been waiting for somebody to finally talk about this. 

[dickleyjones]

awww, another thread of people pretending to know things they don't actually know! 

 

i think tre has earned the benefit of the doubt. 

[Brand J]

10 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

This is clearly a delicate situation.  From the player’s perspective, you don’t pay me more for coming back before I feel 100% and if I get hurt again you sure as hell aren’t compensating me for coming back before I felt completely ready.  

From the team perspective, we’re paying you a lot of money and every week you remain out it hurts our ultimate goal of getting home field advantage and winning a super bowl.  

At some point though, you’d hope a guy would get out there for his teammates especially with all the injuries in the secondary.  

Hit the nail on the head with this post. I do wonder if his timeline would be altered if sitting out meant losing money. I wonder if he’d ease himself back into the games rather than make himself an inactive. There’s no financial incentive for him to be back on the field, he’s getting paid regardless. I don’t mean this as an attack on him sitting, but money is a great motivator.

[GolfandBills]

2 hours ago, BillyBilliams said:

 

Considering we have 4 active receivers, I'd say WR is an important spot that needs players.....

Josh only throws to 2 of them.  I doubt a 5th from a practice squad will come in and contribute 

Edited November 21, 2022 by GolfandBills

[TheBrownBear]

If he's at a point with his confidence (or lack thereof), that he looks at guys like Lewis and Rhodes (to say nothing of Benford and Jackson) and "knows" he's not currently at their level and believes he would be hurting the team, then I absolutely have zero issue with him relaying this to McDermott and asking to remain inactive.  There is no point in taking a spot on the gameday roster, if you have nothing positive to give.  But in McDermott's defense, he's got an entire roster to juggle going forward, so it's understandable that he's slowly nudging Tre towards a "s*&% or get off the pot" type of ultimatum.  We could be getting close to that point - my guess is the coaches start to really turn up the heat shortly after Tre has had a full month as an active practice participant, i.e., the Pats game.  Neither guy is really wrong and no one really deserves any blame, IMO.

Edited November 21, 2022 by TheBrownBear

[Bad Things]

I find it really sad that so many fans can turn against one of our best players that's trying to come back from an injury.

 

For some of you, it should be "Bills Mob" instead of "Bills Mafia".

Soft.

[njbuff]

1 minute ago, Bad Things said:

I find it really sad that so many fans can turn against one of our best players that's trying to come back from an injury.

 

For some of you, it should be "Bills Mob" instead of "Bills Mafia".

Soft.

I respect White, but I ain’t relying on him for anything until he actually suits up and plays.

[clayboy54]

Maybe if one or two of the guys playing can start to make some plays, Tre might feel some pressure to come back. As of now, it’s like the Keystone Cops back there. “Let’s just run around chasing guys until the whistle blows. And whatever you do, don’t turn your head to look for the ball. That’s just what they’ll expect you to do.”

[ColoradoBills]

3 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

If he's at a point with his confidence (or lack thereof), that he looks at guys like Lewis and Rhodes (to say nothing of Benford and Jackson) and "knows" he's not currently at their level and believes he would be hurting the team, then I absolutely have zero issue with him relaying this to McDermott and asking to remain inactive.  There is no point in taking a spot on the gameday roster, if you have nothing positive to give.  But in McDermott's defense, he's got an entire roster to juggle going forward, so it's understandable that he's slowly nudging Tre towards a "s*&% or get off the pot" type of ultimatum.  We could be getting close to that point - my guess is the coaches start to really turn the heat on shortly after Tre has had a full month as an active practice participant, i.e., the Pats game.  Neither guy is really wrong and no one really deserves any blame, IMO.

 

As good of points as any I've read.  I've wondered about getting him active and taking some snaps without putting pressure on him.

But then I thought of this.

 

Bills generally dress 4 CBs on gameday.  If Tre was CB4 he could get some snaps BUT if a CB went down, he would be needed

full time.  Dressing 5 CBs on gameday could fix that but it puts pressure on losing a player in another position.  So, if you're not willing

to go the 5 CB route, Tre needs to be sure he can play a full game.  I can give all this a little more time to work itself out.

FWIW.

[Radar]

Frankly White's not high on my love/hate meter. Skilled but who cares when he seems to not really care all that much. The anti Josh Allen.

[HOUSE]

 

If you could just give back the money

 

  that would be great....

 

 

Edited November 22, 2022 by HOUSE

[RiotAct]

3 minutes ago, clayboy54 said:

Maybe if one or two of the guys playing can start to make some plays, Tre might feel some pressure to come back. As of now, it’s like the Keystone Cops back there. “Let’s just run around chasing guys until the whistle blows. And whatever you do, don’t turn your head to look for the ball. That’s just what they’ll expect you to do.”

I mean, if I’m Tre and I’m watching our secondary these last few games, I’m feeling more pressure to come back.

[billsbackto81]

2 hours ago, Logic said:

This post is a drunken post-game WGR call come to life.

Freaking beautiful! I actually see myself rolling my eyes as this stuttering fool spills his lack of football knowledge to Schoop and Bulldog. 😂😂😂

[Straight Hucklebuck]

4 minutes ago, Bad Things said:

I find it really sad that so many fans can turn against one of our best players that's trying to come back from an injury.

 

For some of you, it should be "Bills Mob" instead of "Bills Mafia".

Soft.

Then it's on the Bills Coaching Staff or Tre to just say what's really going on. 

 

All we have to go on are the facts.

 

He was PUP listed, activated off the PUP, practicing, cleared medically, and has been a healthy scratch for 3 games in a row now?

[Donuts and Doritos]

I have more questions about why he wasn't put on IR after being activated off PUP, to free up the roster spot. He clearly wasn't close for KC. Could have IR'd him for 4-6 weeks & brought him back when he was more prepared. People would be questioning Tre less. & We could have used the spot maybe to keep Hodgins or another player they liked. I assume he'll miss Thursday, if he's out against NE, really have to wonder at what point they just call it for this year.

 

Edited November 21, 2022 by Donuts and Doritos

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

No matter what anyone feels about the blame, it’s as simple as we need you…bad. Play or stop wasting the roster spot. Doesn’t matter who is right, doesn’t matter who is wrong. Get on the field or get off the roster so we can use the spot for someone else 

[TheBrownBear]

10 minutes ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

I have more questions about why he wasn't put on IR to free up the roster spot. He clearly wasn't close for KC. Could have IR'd him for 4-6 weeks & brought him back when he was more prepared. People would be questioning Tre less. I assume he'll miss Thursday, if he's out against NE, really have to wonder at what point they just call it for this year.

Well, he was medically cleared (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong), and I'm sure the staff figured, "he's 'healthy', so let's get him back into game shape sooner rather than later."  It's not as if these confidence issues might not still be there if we had started his active practice window 6 weeks later. In that scenario, we have precious little time to decide if he's a guy we can count on for the playoffs.  Yeah, things don't seem to be working out too great at the moment, but maybe that changes and maybe these extra few weeks of practice are just what Tre needs to get right both physically and mentally and we see him as an important contributor to a deep playoff run.

Edited November 21, 2022 by TheBrownBear

[Warriorspikes51]

If he doesn't play at NE, it's time for concern and there could be something to the rumors of him not wanting to play on turf fields anymore.  I hope that's not true. 

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said:

Justin Jefferson - 10 receptions for 193 yards.  

 

Yet we wont the game until Josh Allen fumbled the game away 

57 minutes ago, Deadstroke said:

He is a what? six year veteran pro bowler.  If he can't get ready after being cleared to play 3 or 4 weeks ago, is just might be mental.

 

Or he just isnt ready.  You aren't a doctor, nor have you examined him.  

[TheBrownBear]

7 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

No matter what anyone feels about the blame, it’s as simple as we need you…bad. Play or stop wasting the roster spot. Doesn’t matter who is right, doesn’t matter who is wrong. Get on the field or get off the roster so we can use the spot for someone else 

I agree.  The question is when does it become a necessity for the Coach/GM to level that ultimatum to White?  We are still on track for the playoffs and still control our destiny within the division.  I'm comfortable waiting through the Pats game (depending on the outcome of that game).

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Some people are treating this like a contract hold out. I don’t understand.