Nyheim Hines: Why did we bother trading for him?

[clayboy54]

Seems like to this point, Dorsey is just being stubborn and won’t use the personnel. If he keeps it up, he will be McD’s worst hire.

[Bangarang]

We have an OC that can’t for the life of him find ways to get Cook the ball in the passing game and y’all thought he’d be able to get Hines the ball? 
 

I only remember Hines being on the field for 1 snap on offense. This team makes moves without having any sort of plan. 

[TheFunPolice]

Our 2nd round RB hardly touches the ball.

 

It's nuts 

[TampaBillsJunkie]

Dont forget Wilson in Miami. He runs for 117 today and the tandem with Mostert is creating a lot of mismatches for defenses that Tua is taking advantage of. Us, well.....  I'm too pissed off to wasted keyboard strokes on it.

[Shortchaz]

Said it before, I’ll say it again, when you have 3 running backs (5? 6?) you don’t have a running back. 

[Aussie Joe]

4 hours ago, RiotAct said:

so we could give the illusion of DOING SOMETHING, DAMN IT!!!!!

Many a true word is spoken in jest 

3 hours ago, wppete said:

Please the people by doing something on trade deadline. 

You were happy at the time  😆 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

Strange to have 4 active rbs and have Johnson returning kickoffs.

 

Let Hines do all return work and use his explosive speed to make a big play.

 

Truly a head scratching move

[BananaB]

On 4th and 2 Duke Johnson was on the field. ***** just don’t make sense. He seemed like he was there for short yardage plays by the snaps he was taking. We picked a guy up from our PS because the lack of trust they have in the guys they drafted and traded for. McDermott says he believes in all his guys, sure looks like it. 

[97bills]

8 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

The final play the 3 primary receivers all just ran to the endzone and actually they were all pretty close to each other. I think McK went short left to the 16 but was guarded. By the time Singletary released,  Josh was already winding up for the endzone. Even if he does dump it off to motor,  he probably barely makes it inside the 15.  No one ran a mid field route to the 10.

That’s when Allen has to throw it away or take off with it. The INT he’s had are cause for concern because he’s throwing it right to them. Like he doesn’t even see the db idk what’s going on but it’s not good. 

[BananaB]

14 minutes ago, 97bills said:

That’s when Allen has to throw it away or take off with it. The INT he’s had are cause for concern because he’s throwing it right to them. Like he doesn’t even see the db idk what’s going on but it’s not good. 

Allen was in the process of throwing when Gabe made cut, if he cuts inside instead of up that’s an easy catch. The play was there, the  LBers could not make a play on the ball, the safety was too deep and Gabe had position on Peterson. Allen will never throw a guy on this team under the bus but it’s obvious Gabe made the wrong read, he cut upfield and headed to more traffic.  When Gabe went up it gave Peterson position to make the play on the ball. 

Edited November 14, 2022 by BananaB

[Donuts and Doritos]

16 minutes ago, 97bills said:

That’s when Allen has to throw it away or take off with it. The INT he’s had are cause for concern because he’s throwing it right to them. Like he doesn’t even see the db idk what’s going on but it’s not good. 

 

As someone else pointed out in another thread, what's worse is if you look, Singletary was open in the flat for a potential first down gain. Never looked at him.

 

 

Also Hines 1 catch 9 yds, 0 rushes

Shakir 1 catch 6 yds.

They are not trying to use these guys. Dorsey has to be less arrogant & try something different. He isn't using all the weapons he's been given. It's Diggs all day & Davis shows up sometimes. Maybe Dorsey panics & let's his emotions take over in the clutch (thinking tablet throw) which only helps amp up sugar high Josh & this is what you get? I don't know. But need to really change it up.

Edited November 14, 2022 by Donuts and Doritos

[schoolhouserock]

10 minutes ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

 

As someone else pointed out in another thread, what's worse is if you look, Singletary was open in the flat for a potential first down gain. Never looked at him.

 

 

Also Hines 1 catch 9 yds, 0 rushes

Shakir 1 catch 6 yds.

They are not trying to use these guys. Dorsey has to be less arrogant & try something different. He isn't using all the weapons he's been given. It's Diggs all day & Davis shows up sometimes. Maybe Dorsey panics & let's his emotions take over in the clutch (thinking tablet throw) which only helps amp up sugar high Josh & this is what you get? I don't know. But need to really change it up.

Is it Dorsey or is it Josh? That picture sure seems to point towards Josh.

 

Until Josh gets back to spreading the wealth, this team is stuck in the mud.

[DCofNC]

9 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Nonsense.  Be that guy because the sentiment is growing.  It'll be at a fever pitch if anything less than a Super Bowl appearance happens.

Wait till we miss the playoffs, then people will get it.

[Eastport bills]

This is an indictment of our coaches.When are they going to incorporate this guy into the offense? Are they so deluded as to their focusing on Josh running the ball as our offensive approach? They are putting too much on this guy and he is forcing throws and if they don’t come up with some nuance in our attack, we’re finished.

[Airseven]

Hines trade was “universally praised”?? Huh.

 

Anyway, he’s not getting reps because he hasn’t absorbed the playbook unfortunately.

[Bruffalo]

2 minutes ago, Airseven said:

Hines trade was “universally praised”?? Huh.

 

Anyway, he’s not getting reps because he hasn’t absorbed the playbook unfortunately.

I hate this excuse.  

 

The Vikings traded for Hockensen and he's immediately put to use, CMC is traded for and instantly slots into the 49ers hyper complicated run game.  Such a joke to pretend that Hines couldn't know the playbook by now.  

 

The coaching staff are floundering. 

[Kmart128]

No idea. Dolphins got immediate production out of Wilson. Vikings got immediate production from Hockenson. And we still refuse to play the guy we traded for...

[Solomon Grundy]

I'd like to see Hines with more carries. Especially pitches. 

[HappyDays]

7 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

I hate this excuse.  

 

The Vikings traded for Hockensen and he's immediately put to use, CMC is traded for and instantly slots into the 49ers hyper complicated run game.  Such a joke to pretend that Hines couldn't know the playbook by now.  

 

The coaching staff are floundering. 

 

Jeff Wilson had over 100 yards rushing for the Dolphins yesterday! Is our playbook written in Latin? It's inexcusable not to use the weapon that we traded for. Zero touches on offense, less than freaking Duke Johnson, is just crazy, especially since we were up by 2 possessions for a large portion of the game. That's where you lean on the running game. No way Beane traded for him just to be a punt returner.

[Bruffalo]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

Jeff Wilson had over 100 yards rushing for the Dolphins yesterday! Is our playbook written in Latin? It's inexcusable not to use the weapon that we traded for. Zero touches on offense, less than freaking Duke Johnson, is just crazy, especially since we were up by 2 possessions for a large portion of the game. That's where you lean on the running game. No way Beane traded for him just to be a punt returner.

It's how I feel about having Cam Lewis out there even though you just traded for Dean Marlowe.  What's the point?  

 

I've lost a lot of faith in Dorsey and McDermott on gameday.  Players have to execute, but damn it coaches can put them in better positions.  We were marching down the field in OT, Allen has a big run, call the TO.  Have him calm down and breathe.  It seems straightforward to me.  Ugh. 

[Wayne Cubed]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

Jeff Wilson had over 100 yards rushing for the Dolphins yesterday! Is our playbook written in Latin? It's inexcusable not to use the weapon that we traded for. Zero touches on offense, less than freaking Duke Johnson, is just crazy, especially since we were up by 2 possessions for a large portion of the game. That's where you lean on the running game. No way Beane traded for him just to be a punt returner.

 

Don't forget Kadarius Tony. He had 4 catches on 5 targets for 57 yards and a TD.

 

4th and 2 and you have Duke Johnson on the field, is mind boggling. You brought in this RB to be a mismatch to LBs and even on that last play of the game, Singletary is the RB out there on a pass play. Where are the mismatches?

 

Hines was on the field yesterday for 6 plays, and didn't see the ball one time. Duke Johnson was one the field 5 times and saw the ball 2 times. Make it make sense.

Edited November 14, 2022 by Wayne Cubed

[colin]

12 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Because this coaching staff slow plays everything, often to the detriment of the team. They slow play injuries, rookie playing time, obvious necessary roster changes, etc. It took them a whole season and a half of Zack Moss clumsily running into his lineman's butt before they recognized that he isn't a viable player. They've given Shakir very little playing time despite obviously being more dependable than McKenzie. Currently they're limiting Cook's snaps in favor of Singletary even though it has become obvious over the last two weeks that he gives our offense more juice.

 

And yes the latest slow play is keeping Hines out of the offense, even though it is obvious that we need more speed out of our backfield. This is presumably because... they don't think he knows the playbook well enough yet? That's the only possible reason I can imagine, and personally I think it's stupid. Every other top offense has someone that can catch the ball 5 yards past the LOS and turn it into a 20+ yard gain. That element of our offense has never been a thing in the Josh Allen era, so Beane goes and gets that element and the coaches refuse to use him. Really frustrating.

 

this is the story here.

 

our FO is conservative in how it makes adjustments.  they will change to "be aggressive" and just go for it willy nilly in the redzone, but when it falls apart (like this season) they are too slow to adjust that overly aggressive nature on O.  on D, they never get out of nickel, and most of all as per above they are sooo slow to change player time.  hines did look pretty slick the one time he got the ball vs minni, but we decided a 3 score lead is a great time to not have RBs involved in the game.

[billybob71]

trade for Hines and then elevate Duke from PS and give him more touches not sure i understand that at all

[1onemangang7]

Maybe it's cause Beane collects lightweight midget backs like some people collect little penguin or elephant figurines or frogs or something .

[1onemangang7]

14 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

We acquired Nyheim Hines two weeks ago and it was universally praised as a great addition to our team because of his experience and ability. Yet, here we are two games in and he has just TWO TOTAL TARGETS!!!

 

Meanwhile, the 49ers acquire Christian McCaffery from the Panthers and he has made an IMMEDIATE impact. They actually *gulp* GET HIM TOUCHES AND UTILIZE HIM ON OFFENSE!!!

 

I feel as if this is an utter failure by the Bills to take advantage of the skills of a player that they obviously coveted as Beane said in an interview that he had wanted him in Buffalo before. I do not know if it is McDermott or Dorsey, but someone has to answer for what I feel is a criminal underuse of a talent we so badly need. Two targets through two games is pathetic!

What's it matter if it's Hines or the other 2? They're like coffee cups. Interchangeable. Hines has to learn a little language is my guess. Then Allen will outrush 3 of them.

[ngbills]

It feels like our guys think they are smarter than everyone else. 
We will surprise them with Duke Johnson . Let’s throw to Gilliam instead of Diggs. 1st at the 2 let’s throw it 4 straight plays. You have one receiver on your like Jefferson we will go man with shut down corner benford. 

[CEN-CAL17]

1 hour ago, billybob71 said:

trade for Hines and then elevate Duke from PS and give him more touches not sure i understand that at all

These are questions McD needs to answer…. None of this makes since.

 

Bills RBs should have had 30 touches yesterday being up 17. Nope Duke in on goal line plays and throwing interceptions.

[Turbo44]

2 hours ago, Wayne Cubed said:

 

Don't forget Kadarius Tony. He had 4 catches on 5 targets for 57 yards and a TD.

 

4th and 2 and you have Duke Johnson on the field, is mind boggling. You brought in this RB to be a mismatch to LBs and even on that last play of the game, Singletary is the RB out there on a pass play. Where are the mismatches?

 

Hines was on the field yesterday for 6 plays, and didn't see the ball one time. Duke Johnson was one the field 5 times and saw the ball 2 times. Make it make sense.

To be accurate, he did have one catch for 9 yards (spin move that turned a 4 yard gain into 9) and he looks very reliable returning punts with an explosiveness we haven't seen in a while. I agree that I'm dumbfounded why we're not passing to him more or have him on the field more often on 3rd down??

[Chicken Boo]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Jeff Wilson had over 100 yards rushing for the Dolphins yesterday! Is our playbook written in Latin? It's inexcusable not to use the weapon that we traded for. Zero touches on offense, less than freaking Duke Johnson, is just crazy, especially since we were up by 2 possessions for a large portion of the game. That's where you lean on the running game. No way Beane traded for him just to be a punt returner.

 

To be fair, Wilson is already familiar with McDaniels' system (49ers connection).

 

But yes, there is zero reason to NOT have a package of plays for Hines to work in.  Buffalo has become the place that RBs go to die (Yeldon, Breida, Duke Johnson).  If I were a free agent RB I'd never sign here.  

[HappyDays]

16 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

To be fair, Wilson is already familiar with McDaniels' system (49ers connection).

 

That's fair, but McCaffrey and Toney are producing for their new teams. The difference is those teams have specifically game planned to get their new weapons involved. For some reason we refuse to do it.

[TheFunPolice]

someone has to keep Cook company on the bench

[ngbills]

Trade deadline report (trades or signings):

 

Bills:

Hines - no rushes; 1 rec on 2 targets for 9 yds; 4 punt returns; 10 total snaps in 2 games.

Marlowe - 1 snap, no stats.

 

Others:

CmC (SF) - 10 touches week 1, 26 week 2, 18 week 3; TD rush, rec and passing; 29%, 81%, 65% of snaps. 

Wilson (MIA) - 9 car for 51 and 17 for 119 in two games; Add 3 rec for 21 and 2 for 24; 49% and 61% of snaps.

TJ Hock (MIN) - 9 rec for 70 and 7 for 45 in two games; 91% and 93% of snaps in games. 

Toney (KC) - 2 rec for 12 and 4 for 57 in two games; 9% and 44% of snaps. 

Chubb (MIA) - .5 sack; 73% and 66% of snaps.

Moss (IND)- 1 rush for 4 yds; Played one snap

Hodgins (NYG)- Played him 43 snaps last week; 2 rec for 41 yds.

 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

3 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Jeff Wilson had over 100 yards rushing for the Dolphins yesterday! Is our playbook written in Latin? It's inexcusable not to use the weapon that we traded for. Zero touches on offense, less than freaking Duke Johnson, is just crazy, especially since we were up by 2 possessions for a large portion of the game. That's where you lean on the running game. No way Beane traded for him just to be a punt returner.

 

Other than terminology changes, he played under mcdaniel for his entire career prior to this year.  

[34-78-83]

Hines is a situational only type of player on any NFL team he's going to play for. That's it. Simple reality of it. He's a better fit for our offensive style than Zack Moss was, and we didn't pay much for him.

 

The problem is the misinterpretation of the trade and somehow equating and comparing it to a CMC type of trade. Hines is a bakup rb who has great speed and quickness and can play some slot wr, and return punts well.

 

It was a fine trade for what it really was, and hopefully Hines will earn his way to 10-12 snaps per game and making a play here and there.

 

 

[LabattBlue]

4 hours ago, Airseven said:

Anyway, he’s not getting reps because he hasn’t absorbed the playbook unfortunately.

...and you know this how?

[streetkings01]

I’m still confused how a team that doesn’t utilize the RB position on offense had 4 of them active Sunday?!?!

[JoshAllin]

This should've been the best rushing attack in the league, Hines, Motor, Cook, Duke, Allen, Gilliam

 

Oh right, but no run OL

Edited November 14, 2022 by motorj

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, ngbills said:

Trade deadline report (trades or signings):

 

Bills:

Hines - no rushes; 1 rec on 2 targets for 9 yds; 4 punt returns; 10 total snaps in 2 games.

Marlowe - 1 snap, no stats.

 

Others:

CmC (SF) - 10 touches week 1, 26 week 2, 18 week 3; TD rush, rec and passing; 29%, 81%, 65% of snaps. 

Wilson (MIA) - 9 car for 51 and 17 for 119 in two games; Add 3 rec for 21 and 2 for 24; 49% and 61% of snaps.

TJ Hock (MIN) - 9 rec for 70 and 7 for 45 in two games; 91% and 93% of snaps in games. 

Toney (KC) - 2 rec for 12 and 4 for 57 in two games; 9% and 44% of snaps. 

Chubb (MIA) - .5 sack; 73% and 66% of snaps.

Moss (IND)- 1 rush for 4 yds; Played one snap

Hodgins (NYG)- Played him 43 snaps last week; 2 rec for 41 yds.

 

If I'm Beane I'm seriously pissed. Hines has skills and we're wasting him because these terrified coaches think he needs 3 weeks to learn the book. Maybe Marlowe knocks that ball down rather than Cam selfishly going for the pick. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Cook is turning 2 yard carries into 8 yards and can’t get the ball. This team is just clueless 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

6 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Jeff Wilson had over 100 yards rushing for the Dolphins yesterday! Is our playbook written in Latin? It's inexcusable not to use the weapon that we traded for. Zero touches on offense, less than freaking Duke Johnson, is just crazy, especially since we were up by 2 possessions for a large portion of the game. That's where you lean on the running game. No way Beane traded for him just to be a punt returner.

Jeff Wilson isn’t really a fair comparison cuz he already pretty much knew the offense coming from SF