Josh Allen injury update(officially questionable - expected to start per Ian Rappaport)

[HappyDays]

9 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson said:

It would be stupid to play Allen this Sunday and make the tear even worse. Sit him for several weeks or maybe till playoff starts. I hope Case Keenum will be the QB for now on.

 

How about they cut Josh Allen and use his roster spot to sign OBJ?

[Matt_In_NH]

2 hours ago, muppy said:

another perspective regarding playing minnesota

 

Is it free speech to make up statements that someone “ said” that is not true?   Hopefully everyone realizes how much this is BS

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

40 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

I’m wondering if wearing some kind of brace will help in the actual game from re-aggravating his injury. I remember him wearing one a couple seasons ago on his (left?) arm before. 

[stevestojan]

For those that said they aren’t hugely concerned with Keenum starting for us, quick question: why aren’t you hugely concerned with Kennum starting for us ? 98.3%* of our offense is Josh Allen. 
 

*I made that number up, but it’s high. 

[SCBills]

Just now, stevestojan said:

For those that said they aren’t hugely concerned with Keenum starting for us, quick question: why aren’t you hugely concerned with Kennum starting for us ? 98.3%* of our offense is Josh Allen. 
 

*I made that number up, but it’s high. 

Some of us wonder if there’s enough talent on offense to not be 98.3% dependent upon Josh Allen. 
 

It’s easy to be dependent when he’s out there and healthy, because he is likely the best player in the entire league… especially when he’s on.  
 

However, we go through ebbs where that doesn’t work…and maybe, just maybe, we have to get back to basics. 

 

Do we have a running game if we actually need to have a running game?

 

Do we have WR’s worth a crap after Diggs when the QB isn’t a guy who wants to throw lasers and bombs all game?

 

What is the deal with Knox?  Where did Morris go?  How does Hines fit in?  Can Cook be a weapon if we need him to be a weapon for an average QB?

 

All questions we’ll see answered … good, bad or meh…. And maybe those are things we can learn from when Allen comes back. 

[UKBillFan]

9 minutes ago, stevestojan said:

For those that said they aren’t hugely concerned with Keenum starting for us, quick question: why aren’t you hugely concerned with Kennum starting for us ? 98.3%* of our offense is Josh Allen. 
 

*I made that number up, but it’s high. 

My only hope would be it’ll push McDermott and Dorsey to try and utilise the whole offense rather than putting a load on the QB’s back, which could the be continued after Josh returns. And Keenum may protect the ball better than Josh has over the last five quarters.

[stevewin]

12 minutes ago, stevestojan said:

For those that said they aren’t hugely concerned with Keenum starting for us, quick question: why aren’t you hugely concerned with Kennum starting for us ? 98.3%* of our offense is Josh Allen. 
 

*I made that number up, but it’s high. 

On espn this am heard someone say the actual number was 83% or something close to that

[Beck Water]

26 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

I’m wondering if wearing some kind of brace will help in the actual game from re-aggravating his injury. I remember him wearing one a couple seasons ago on his (left?) arm before. 

 

It was on his R arm when he was returning from the UCL injury.

 

2 hours ago, Golden said:

Josh Allen Not Practicing Wednesday, Unlikely to Play Against Vikings

NFL

Nov 9, 2022, 12:11 pm (updated: Nov 9, 2022, 5:11 pm)

byDavid Chao, MDJerry Hizon MDJacob Sisneros

Bills star quarterback Josh Allen will not practice Wednesday as he recovers from a right elbow injury he suffered at the end of the Week 9 loss to the Jets.

Buffalo head coach Sean McDermott said “we'll see” when asked about Allen's status for this Sunday against the Vikings.

McDermott's response fits what the Pro Football Docs detailed yesterday: playing Allen would risk further injury to his elbow and likely isn't worth the risk for the team. 

Allen's elbow injury is not season-ending and will not require surgery at the moment. However, if he plays with a partial tear and is hit in a similar way to his Week 9 injury, this could turn into a full UCL tear and require Tommy John surgery.

Buffalo cannot win the Super Bowl in this November matchup, but they could lose it if they play Allen and he further injures his elbow, according to the Pro Football Docs.

That is why the Bills are likely to take a cautious approach and start Case Keenum against his former team this week.

Sean McDermott: "We believe in Case Keenum."

— Alaina Getzenberg (@agetzenberg) November 9, 2022

Buffalo faces the Browns in Week 11 and the Lions in Week 12, thus it would not be surprising to see Allen miss the next three weeks to allow the elbow to fully recover before two divisional opponents in Week 13 and 14.

When Allen suffered a UCL sprain in his rookie season, 2018, he missed four games. The hope is this injury will not keep him out that long, but Buffalo would be smart to treat it with the same caution.

 

 

@Golden, where is this quoted from? It's kind of confusing, because the "by" authors are the ones who style themselves "pro football docs" but, they reference themselves in the quote.  Then there's also a quote from Alaina Getzenberg, our ESPN beat reporter, which I don't think Pro Football Docs would quote.

 

So I'm confused.

Edited November 10, 2022 by Beck Water

[Rc2catch]

18 minutes ago, stevestojan said:

For those that said they aren’t hugely concerned with Keenum starting for us, quick question: why aren’t you hugely concerned with Kennum starting for us ? 98.3%* of our offense is Josh Allen. 
 

*I made that number up, but it’s high. 

Teams can win in a lot of ways. We’ve been really spoiled with Allen dominating. Strategy can change and when you challenge others in the locker room to step up sometimes the results can be surprising. 

 

Keenum can do what rush did and what brissett has done on occasion and just take the easy completions the defense gives. Buffalo has guys who can run after the catch. They have players who can be gadget guys who can offer some different looks on offense. If Dorsey is creative with McKenzie and Hines they can run some stuff that’s not on film yet. The best part (most frustrating for me) was when McKenzie was used in jet sweep motion all the time it always slowed the pass rush that one second or so they had to make sure he didn’t get the ball. Something buffalo has desperately needed as they’ve struggled with pass pro. Keenum isn’t gonna put on the cape and run josh Allen’s offense. But Dorsey can change things up and attack in other ways with him. If he’s forced to play we’re about to find out a lot about our role players. Knox, shakir, McKenzie, Hines and singletary are all guys I have confidence in to work the 5-15 yard range of the field. 

[John from Riverside]

I’ll tell you what would be interesting is if I Case Keenum lid offense

 

Utilize their tight ends

Ran the ball with their running backs and gained over 100 yards

 

And this is not a knock on Josh Allen far from it just wonder what the OC would come up with when he knew he didn’t have Josh Allen to rely on

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Captain Hindsight]

54 minutes ago, stevestojan said:

For those that said they aren’t hugely concerned with Keenum starting for us, quick question: why aren’t you hugely concerned with Kennum starting for us ? 98.3%* of our offense is Josh Allen. 
 

*I made that number up, but it’s high. 

Keenum has played for a long time and has been successful. I’m not excited that he’s playing, but I know he knows the game and knows how to move the football at this level. We could do far worse than Keenum 

[Dablitzkrieg]

I can't decide whose voice I enjoy more,  Alena or Maddie? 🤥

[Buffalo03]

Does anyone still know if Allen will be on Kyle Brandt's Basement tonight?

[Joe Ferguson]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

How about they cut Josh Allen and use his roster spot to sign OBJ?

I wouldn't go that far. Cutting Gabe Davis and/or Isiah McKenzie would be ideal if we bring in OBJ. In regards to Josh, I  think it is fair to expect Allen to miss several games and an outside chance of him missing the season.  The worst case scenario is he has surgery which could be brutal

[Dablitzkrieg]

1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said:

Does anyone still know if Allen will be on Kyle Brandt's Basement tonight?

There's no basement in the alamo

[Straight Hucklebuck]

5 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson said:

I wouldn't go that far. Cutting Gabe Davis and/or Isiah McKenzie would be ideal if we bring in OBJ. In regards to Josh, I  think it is fair to expect Allen to miss several games and an outside chance of him missing the season.  The worst case scenario is he has surgery which could be brutal

What is this take based on?

McDermott didn’t say anything, but he said the medical was day to day.

 

 

[BuffaloBaumer]

Not that it means anything but my friend just talked to Vic Carucci during intermission at Sheas and he said most likely out 3-4 weeks. 
 

like I said, probably means nothing.

[EasternOHBillsFan]

1 hour ago, stevestojan said:

For those that said they aren’t hugely concerned with Keenum starting for us, quick question: why aren’t you hugely concerned with Kennum starting for us ? 98.3%* of our offense is Josh Allen. 
 

*I made that number up, but it’s high. 

 

Did you not watch Heinicke and what he did to the Vikings defense?

 

Do you not think that Keenum, a guy who played for the Vikes along with Diggs, is completely incapable of being as good or better than Heinicke?

 

Yeah, I have confidence in Keenum AT HOME and if Josh needs rest then do it vs. an NFC team who has yet to beat a winning team except a Tua=less Dolphins squad.

[Beck Water]

46 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

Not that it means anything but my friend just talked to Vic Carucci during intermission at Sheas and he said most likely out 3-4 weeks. 
like I said, probably means nothing.

 

Do you feel Vic Carucci is still particularly well connected in the Buffalo Bills locker room?

 

Allen missed 5 weeks his rookie year (4 games plus a bye week).  It's a reasonable thought that if this injury is thought to be "less severe" than his 2018 injury, he might miss 3 or 4 weeks instead of 5. 

 

But there are a lot of specifics that aren't known

[BuffaloBaumer]

2 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Do you feel Vic Carucci is still particularly well connected in the Buffalo Bills locker room?

 

Allen missed 5 weeks his rookie year (4 games plus a bye week).  It's a reasonable thought that if this injury is thought to be "less severe" than his 2018 injury, he might miss 3 or 4 weeks instead of 5. 

 

But there are a lot of specifics that aren't known

I can’t imagine he knows anything more than anyone else. It’s probably just an educated guess by all the information that he has heard

[Beck Water]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

I can’t imagine he knows anything more than anyone else. It’s probably just an educated guess by all the information that he has heard

 

At one time, I had the impression that Carucci was a bit of an insider and got a lot of stuff from someone inside OBD. 

But I think a lot of that went away when Beane took a broom and swept the FO clean then only let people he vetted back in.

 

But that's just my impression, I could be wrong.

 

FWIW, here's Dr. Kyle Trimble PT take on the injury - it has a lot of diagrams explaining the elbow structure, where the ulnar collateral ligament is located, where the ulnar nerve is and what impact that would have etc.   He also gives his opinion on the time Allen might miss.  

 

https://bangedupbills.com/2022/11/08/josh-allens-elbow-injury/

[JoPoy88]

4 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

At one time, I had the impression that Carucci was a bit of an insider and got a lot of stuff from someone inside OBD. 

But I think a lot of that went away when Beane took a broom and swept the FO clean then only let people he vetted back in.

 

But that's just my impression, I could be wrong.

 

FWIW, here's Dr. Kyle Trimble PT take on the injury - it has a lot of diagrams explaining the elbow structure, where the ulnar collateral ligament is located, where the ulnar nerve is and what impact that would have etc.   He also gives his opinion on the time Allen might miss.  

 

https://bangedupbills.com/2022/11/08/josh-allens-elbow-injury/

ACTUAL INFORMATION?!? lol thank you Beck seriously. 

2 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

I’m wondering if wearing some kind of brace will help in the actual game from re-aggravating his injury. I remember him wearing one a couple seasons ago on his (left?) arm before. 

at a certain point a brace, if restrictive enough, is going to hurt more than it helps. At least with what Allen does and is capable of doing.

[Motorin']

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

 

Josh Allen, the 258 Million Dollar Man. We can rebuild him, stronger, faster, better. 

 

 

 

[34-78-83]

1 hour ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Keenum has played for a long time and has been successful. I’m not excited that he’s playing, but I know he knows the game and knows how to move the football at this level. We could do far worse than Keenum 

Who said that Keenum was playing? Nobody.

[Beck Water]

18 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

ACTUAL INFORMATION?!? lol thank you Beck seriously. 

 

Welcome!

 

18 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

at a certain point a brace, if restrictive enough, is going to hurt more than it helps. At least with what Allen does and is capable of doing.

 

When Josh Allen sprained his L shoulder (AC joint) against the Raiders, he was seen wearing a restrictive "linebacker brace" the next 2 weeks against the Titans and the Chiefs.  He was "off" passing, typically missing high (Hasselbeck explained that's typical for that injury and why), until, during the 4Q against the chiefs, it seemed like he took it off despite some apparent protests from trainers, and all of a sudden could pass.  I think next game or 2 he was taped up.

 

Anyway, I can't imagine an elbow brace that would be restrictive enough to be protective, but that wouldn't mess with some aspect of Josh's delivery given the multiple arm angles he uses.

Edited November 10, 2022 by Beck Water

[Nextmanup]

2 hours ago, stevestojan said:

For those that said they aren’t hugely concerned with Keenum starting for us, quick question: why aren’t you hugely concerned with Kennum starting for us ? 98.3%* of our offense is Josh Allen. 
 

*I made that number up, but it’s high. 

Count me as someone who is hugely concerned if Keenum starts, which I think he will.

 

I have already stated that we should expect the team to lose all games which he starts.  If that turns out to wrong, FANTASTIC!  I will be very pleasantly surprised.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

If he’s actually going to play, they should leak pictures to the media of him in a sling. That way nobody expects him to suit up then he rides in and blows the doors off em on Sunday 

[BuffaloBaumer]

Is there anyone who actually believes he is playing on Sunday? I mean come on, you have to understand there is no freaking way.

[haroldwaide]

Theoretically, they could announce Case as the starting quarterback tomorrow...then have Josh start at WR before taking over as QB from play 2 on just to confuse the Vikings.

[EmotionallyUnstable]

23 minutes ago, haroldwaide said:

Theoretically, they could announce Case as the starting quarterback tomorrow...then have Josh start at WR before taking over as QB from play 2 on just to confuse the Vikings.

This reminds me of years ago (2016? 2018?) when everyone was trying to figure out who the QB would be opening day. Turned out it was Tyrod, but on the first snap of the game, I want to say it was Ortin or whatever forgettable middle of the road back up we had. They came out in some trick formation, and IIRC, it was speculated it had to do with a contract clause regarding paying TT 

[Beck Water]

4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

 

Waitaminnut, Waitaminnut, Waitaminnut!

 

That video Brown posted and then also this one

 

Never mind the brace - what's that he's wearing on his LEFT forearm?

 

Isn't that a QB wristband, with the playcalls and all?  And he's wearing a RED jersey?

 

I don't care what the media saw, and maybe he wasn't "participating in practice", but why would Allen be wearing a QB wristband, a red jersey, and walking through the fieldhouse in the same direction as players who have just come from practice like Kumerow if he weren't out at practice in some capacity?  He must at least be standing behind Keenum taking mental reps.

[LV Bills fan]

18 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

This reminds me of years ago (2016? 2018?) when everyone was trying to figure out who the QB would be opening day. Turned out it was Tyrod, but on the first snap of the game, I want to say it was Ortin or whatever forgettable middle of the road back up we had. They came out in some trick formation, and IIRC, it was speculated it had to do with a contract clause regarding paying TT 

Matt Cassel lol

[Richard Noggin]

Seems like no one is discussing Josh's last 3 halves of decision making, and the sudden refusal to NOT take what the GB and NYJ defenses were giving him. Short and intermediate routes were open on many of the incompletions and interceptions in those 3 halves of bad passing offense, and Allen chose instead to be belligerently aggressive. 

 

Is it at all possible that forcing him to step back and see things objectively from the sideline for a game (or 2 or 3, god forbid) will actually help him remember what was propelling his early season ELITE play? Taking what the defenses were giving him early and often, and then as the game wears on, exploiting those moments where the opponents finally got impatient/aggressive? The big plays are earned by PROVING you'll take the small plays over and over. Our guy has definitely backslid into terrible habits, both with decision-making and, on some of those skipped throws to the right flat, mechanics. A step back might allow him to flush out those toxic tendencies.

[Beck Water]

52 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

Is there anyone who actually believes he is playing on Sunday? I mean come on, you have to understand there is no freaking way.

 

 

[Charles Romes]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

At one time, I had the impression that Carucci was a bit of an insider and got a lot of stuff from someone inside OBD. 

But I think a lot of that went away when Beane took a broom and swept the FO clean then only let people he vetted back in.

 

But that's just my impression, I could be wrong.

 

FWIW, here's Dr. Kyle Trimble PT take on the injury - it has a lot of diagrams explaining the elbow structure, where the ulnar collateral ligament is located, where the ulnar nerve is and what impact that would have etc.   He also gives his opinion on the time Allen might miss.  

 

https://bangedupbills.com/2022/11/08/josh-allens-elbow-injury/

The only real insider these days is Mort. 

[Dablitzkrieg]

2 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Waitaminnut, Waitaminnut, Waitaminnut!

 

That video Brown posted and then also this one

 

Never mind the brace - what's that he's wearing on his LEFT forearm?

 

Isn't that a QB wristband, with the playcalls and all?  And he's wearing a RED jersey?

 

I don't care what the media saw, and maybe he wasn't "participating in practice", but why would Allen be wearing a QB wristband, a red jersey, and walking through the fieldhouse in the same direction as players who have just come from practice like Kumerow if he weren't out at practice in some capacity?  He must at least be standing behind Keenum taking mental reps.

Play call sheet

[transplantbillsfan]

3 hours ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

Is there anyone who actually believes he is playing on Sunday? I mean come on, you have to understand there is no freaking way.

 

A lot of us mainly because evidence leans more towards him playing than not.

 

Are you so adamant that he won't play that you'll leave the board if he does?

[BuffaloBaumer]

4 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

A lot of us mainly because evidence leans more towards him playing than not.

 

Are you so adamant that he won't play that you'll leave the board if he does?

How about if he plays, I will leave the board the rest of the season and if he doesn’t, you will leave?

[Captain Hindsight]

8 hours ago, 34-78-83 said:

Who said that Keenum was playing? Nobody.

If he does then, my comments remain the same

7 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Waitaminnut, Waitaminnut, Waitaminnut!

 

That video Brown posted and then also this one

 

 

Guys I think we found what Bigfoot has been up to