Josh Allen injury update(officially questionable - expected to start per Ian Rappaport)

[Solomon Grundy]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

I am bracing for case to play Sunday get those reps in Keenan

This is why I get pissed with the “this is Josh Allen team” crowd. What chance do this team have if Josh doesn’t play?  At least when Kelly didn’t play, the Bills had Thurman and Andre to lean on. That’s why I was so adamant about the Bills getting a top notch RB to help a la Thurman 

[Jauronimo]

Just now, Solomon Grundy said:

This is why I get pissed with the “this is Josh Allen team” crowd. What chance do this team have if Josh doesn’t play?  At least when Kelly didn’t play, the Bills had Thurman and Andre to lean on. That’s why I was so adamant about the Bills getting a top notch RB to help a la Thurman 

There is more to a strong running game than having capable backs.

[Low Positive]

3 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

There is more to a strong running game than having capable backs.

And one of those things is actually committing to the running game. Devin needs a lot more than 8 carries.

[Old Coot]

[WotAGuy]

21 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

It's based on the fact that this guy has never been in the same goddamn room as Josh Allen, let alone seen any x-rays, MRIs, etc.  He's talking out of his ass.

 

What about that Tommy John surgery you were pimpin’?

[Warcodered]

24 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Is that based on your medical opinion, or simply because you don't like the idea of Josh missing football games?

 

 

And that's base on what exactly? Don't like the news so attack the messenger?

 

🤔

Because I'm not taking a guy who has an eye on his diagnosis and eye on the spread seriously.

 

On 11/8/2022 at 12:26 PM, Chandler#81 said:

 

[Chaos]

Betting dropped three points to Bills -3.5 on this news. 

[Gugny]

Just now, WotAGuy said:

What about that Tommy John surgery you were pimpin’?

 

Reverse psychology.

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

We have Keenum. He knows the Vike's playbook.

 

[ @Mr. WEO] 😉 😜 😘 

 

 

 

it's otherwise inexplicable!

[Scott7975]

I may have missed an update but im not reading through 20 pages from where I left off last night lol.

 

My opinion is that they should just sit Josh and let him heal up like they did his rookie season.  Id rather have Josh 100% for the remaining games and into the playoffs than to have a struggling Josh trying to get a #1 seed that we still might not get and then also a struggling Josh in the playoffs.  Playing with this tear, he likely wont be as accurrate anyways.  He wont have grip of the ball that he normally does.  Someone said it in a tweet somewhere that I read... throwing a pass or two is one thing.  Throwing 30-40 passes is another.

 

If we have to go on the road so be it.  Playing KC is still playing KC.  Doesnt matter if its on the road or at home, its going to be a dog fight.  I dont think home field advantage is that much of a big deal anymore in the NFL.  100% Josh vs any other % Josh is a bigger deal IMO.

[Chaos]

13 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

This is why I get pissed with the “this is Josh Allen team” crowd. What chance do this team have if Josh doesn’t play?  At least when Kelly didn’t play, the Bills had Thurman and Andre to lean on. That’s why I was so adamant about the Bills getting a top notch RB to help a la Thurman 

To Clarify. The Bills will not be winning the Super Bowl with Case Kennum playing QB. We could add Aarron Donald and Derrick Henry to the team and we still would not win with Case Keenum.  

[transplantbillsfan]

So... I saw the update with McDermott saying "day to day" and I'm a little shocked at how many of you think Josh isn't playing Sunday?

 

I'm assuming everyone is going on the previous "day to day" designations (Milano, White, etc.) and McDermott's choice to sit them?  Said it earlier in this thread, but there was no way in hell this was ever going to come out as a "everything is rosy and Josh is fine" report from McDermott no matter what he heard from Josh or the Doctors. 

 

Day to day means he's playing, to me.  Let him sit today and tomorrow and continue to treat the elbow.  McDermott has no need to reveal that he thinks Josh will play, so why would he?  

 

One of the interesting things I read and saw was that with that injury, it's an awkward spot for a QB but it's really not hugely impacted by the throwing motion of a QB.  And you could see that in the way his arm got hit.  

 

I expect Josh plays and Dorsey relies a little more on the running game, but not as much as people would expect.  A lot of quick passes and rolling pockets to come. 

 

And give Josh the green light even moreso to run, because I'm sorry... this notion that Josh running will significantly shorten his career has already been challenged with what look like his 2 worst injuries inside the pocket in his rookie year and last week.

[No_Matter_What]

My takeaway from this is that he isn't playing this week and day-to-day is just to keep Vikings guessing.

 

I am not happy but this is still the best what we could hope for.

 

It will be interesting without him. I suspect that GDT will be even more fun that usual.

[ExiledInIllinois]

I say throw him in there. How bad can it be? Elbow, schmelbow. Tuck the thing and run. Not like gimp Joe Ferguson hobbling around out there against the Chargers.

 

Anyway.  He hurt it in the pocket, exactly where they tell him to stay. Go figure!

 

Run Josh RUN!

Edited November 9, 2022 by ExiledInIllinois

[Greg S]

18 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

This is why I get pissed with the “this is Josh Allen team” crowd. What chance do this team have if Josh doesn’t play?  At least when Kelly didn’t play, the Bills had Thurman and Andre to lean on. That’s why I was so adamant about the Bills getting a top notch RB to help a la Thurman 

 

They won't win a Super Bowl without Josh. They can win a regular season game at home with Keenum.

[ExiledInIllinois]

1 minute ago, No_Matter_What said:

My takeaway from this is that he isn't playing this week and day-to-day is just to keep Vikings guessing.

 

I am not happy but this is still the best what we could hope for.

 

It will be interesting without him. I suspect that GDT will be even more fun that usual.

I like Matt Barkley better. If Josh ain't playing, don't they gotta call him up from practice squad?

[Warriorspikes51]

1 minute ago, No_Matter_What said:

My takeaway from this is that he isn't playing this week and day-to-day is just to keep Vikings guessing.

 

I am not happy but this is still the best what we could hope for.

 

It will be interesting without him. I suspect that GDT will be even more fun that usual.

I mean if it was week-to-week for sure they'd have said so like Rousseau who will likely miss 3 games minimum 

[ExiledInIllinois]

1 minute ago, Greg S said:

 

They won't win a Super Bowl without Josh. They can win a regular season game at home with Keenum.

'85 Bears won with McMahon and a few regular season games with Steve Fuller. Actually,  only loss came with McMahon out.

[Process]

2 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

So... I saw the update with McDermott saying "day to day" and I'm a little shocked at how many of you think Josh isn't playing Sunday?

 

I'm assuming everyone is going on the previous "day to day" designations (Milano, White, etc.) and McDermott's choice to sit them?  Said it earlier in this thread, but there was no way in hell this was ever going to come out as a "everything is rosy and Josh is fine" report from McDermott no matter what he heard from Josh or the Doctors. 

 

Day to day means he's playing, to me.  Let him sit today and tomorrow and continue to treat the elbow.  McDermott has no need to reveal that he thinks Josh will play, so why would he?  

 

One of the interesting things I read and saw was that with that injury, it's an awkward spot for a QB but it's really not hugely impacted by the throwing motion of a QB.  And you could see that in the way his arm got hit.  

 

I expect Josh plays and Dorsey relies a little more on the running game, but not as much as people would expect.  A lot of quick passes and rolling pockets to come. 

 

And give Josh the green light even moreso to run, because I'm sorry... this notion that Josh running will significantly shorten his career has already been challenged with what look like his 2 worst injuries inside the pocket in his rookie year and last week.

McDermott could be 100% certain he's missing multiple games and would still label him day to day IMO. There's no reason not too. 

[ExiledInIllinois]

1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

I mean if it was week-to-week for sure they'd have said so like Rousseau who will likely miss 3 games minimum 

High-ankle is not a cakewalk. 

[Logic]

3 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Day to day means he's playing, to me.  

 

May I ask why? I'm just curious as to your reasoning.

Personally, I think that saying "day to day" is of the most strategic benefit. 

If he had said "week to week", it would telegraph that he's out for this Sunday. By saying "day to day", you can take it right up to Sunday morning without the opposition knowing who will be at quarterback.

I have no idea whether Josh will play on Sunday or not, but I think saying "day to day" is the best, most logical gamesmanship possible given the situation. I wouldn't be surprised if Josh plays Sunday, and I wouldn't be surprised if he missed two games.

[ExiledInIllinois]

Just now, Process said:

McDermott could be 100% certain he's missing multiple games and would still label him day to day IMO. There's no reason not too. 

So the opponent can prepare their D for a mobile QB??

[Process]

1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

I mean if it was week-to-week for sure they'd have said so like Rousseau who will likely miss 3 games minimum 

You can't compare Greg and Josh lol. McDermott is going to want to keep opponents guessing on Josh as much as possible. 

 

IMO we next see him vs the pats. But we're all guessing at this point. And we'll be guessing until he's active again because McDermott will give us zero info.

[Warriorspikes51]

1 minute ago, Process said:

You can't compare Greg and Josh lol. McDermott is going to want to keep opponents guessing on Josh as much as possible. 

 

IMO we next see him vs the pats. But we're all guessing at this point. And we'll be guessing until he's active again because McDermott will give us zero info.

Nope. Suit him up on Sunday and watch him play like the best player to ever step on a football field 😎

Edited November 9, 2022 by Warriorspikes51

[Gugny]

3 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

I like Matt Barkley better. If Josh ain't playing, don't they gotta call him up from practice squad?

 

What, exactly, do you like about Barkley?  He has literally never been good in any game he's ever played in the NFL.

[RobbRiddick]

2 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

What, exactly, do you like about Barkley?  He has literally never been good in any game he's ever played in the NFL.

Well there was that one Jets game

[Dablitzkrieg]

14 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

So... I saw the update with McDermott saying "day to day" and I'm a little shocked at how many of you think Josh isn't playing Sunday?

 

I'm assuming everyone is going on the previous "day to day" designations (Milano, White, etc.) and McDermott's choice to sit them?  Said it earlier in this thread, but there was no way in hell this was ever going to come out as a "everything is rosy and Josh is fine" report from McDermott no matter what he heard from Josh or the Doctors. 

 

Day to day means he's playing, to me.  Let him sit today and tomorrow and continue to treat the elbow.  McDermott has no need to reveal that he thinks Josh will play, so why would he?  

 

One of the interesting things I read and saw was that with that injury, it's an awkward spot for a QB but it's really not hugely impacted by the throwing motion of a QB.  And you could see that in the way his arm got hit.  

 

I expect Josh plays and Dorsey relies a little more on the running game, but not as much as people would expect.  A lot of quick passes and rolling pockets to come. 

 

And give Josh the green light even moreso to run, because I'm sorry... this notion that Josh running will significantly shorten his career has already been challenged with what look like his 2 worst injuries inside the pocket in his rookie year and last week.

Definitely not playing.   It would probably be very dumb to risk a complete tear when you could let it heal and have him for the playoffs

[Johnnyp566]

Miami will own this division come Sunday

[ExiledInIllinois]

5 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

What, exactly, do you like about Barkley?  He has literally never been good in any game he's ever played in the NFL.

Not sure.  I know I seen him play better than I have seen Keenum... But to be honest,  never really saw Keenum play except with earlier teams. 

 

If Josh doesn't play, don't they gotta bring in a backup to the backup. Won't that move tip their hand? When do they have to do that by? Bills aren't carrying 3 QBs on the Active Roster.

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Not sure.  I know I seen him play better than I have seen Keenum... But to be honest,  never really saw Keenum play except with earlier teams. 

 

If Josh doesn't play, don't they gotta bring in a backup to the backup. Won't that move tip their hand? When do they have to do that by? Bills aren't carrying 3 QBs on the Active Roster.

 

In all seriousness, Keenum has shown the ability to lead teams to multiple wins on multiple teams.  Barkley simply has not.

 

If Josh is out, I'm sure Barkley will be activated to backup Keenum.

[John from Riverside]

8 minutes ago, Johnnyp566 said:

Miami will own this division come Sunday

No they won’t

 

Miami was damn lucky that they won at home when we played them there the whole idea of getting Josh healthy is so that he goes in and makes Miami his B word like he normally does at home

[zow2]

It's Keenum's job if Allen is out....but if he struggles to execute the offense I can see them giving Barkley a look.  This is not a time to play around.  We are 0-2 in the Division and the Jets/Miami are 2-1 and even with 6 wins.  People are pretty chill about it, but the Bills are in a fight for their playoff lives here.

[BillyBilliams]

1 minute ago, zow2 said:

It's Keenum's job if Allen is out....but if he struggles to execute the offense I can see them giving Barkley a look.  This is not a time to play around.  We are 0-2 in the Division and the Jets/Miami are 2-1 and even with 6 wins.  People are pretty chill about it, but the Bills are in a fight for their playoff lives here.

 

If Barkley has to play, we are screwed.

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, K-9 said:

I’m not so sure as both Keenum and Diggs are several seasons removed from the Vikings who’ve completely retooled their staffs since then. Are they still running the Stefanski schemes on offense and the Zimmer schemes on defense? I honestly don’t watch them enough to know. 

Next week = Cleveland 

[transplantbillsfan]

13 minutes ago, Logic said:

May I ask why? I'm just curious as to your reasoning.

Personally, I think that saying "day to day" is of the most strategic benefit. 

If he had said "week to week", it would telegraph that he's out for this Sunday. By saying "day to day", you can take it right up to Sunday morning without the opposition knowing who will be at quarterback.

I have no idea whether Josh will play on Sunday or not, but I think saying "day to day" is the best, most logical gamesmanship possible given the situation. I wouldn't be surprised if Josh plays Sunday, and I wouldn't be surprised if he missed two games.

 

I said my reasoning earlier in the thread, but here are my reasons:

 

1) Josh injured his arm and then still threw 2 passes.  Yes, the first pass he threw (3rd and 21) was when he grabbed his arm.  But the next throw he chucked it 70 yards.

 

2) After that final throw the cameras showing him did not show him in pain grabbing his arm.

 

3) Compare that all with the similar injury he had in his rookie year against the Texans where he hurt it on one play and then on the next play when he threw it he was in obvious pain and pulled himself out of the game.

 

4) After the game he showed up and the PC without any ice or splint or anything on his elbow.  

 

 

Those are the reasons I wasn't really overly worried about any prognosis.  It was clear it wasn't going to be as bad as his rookie year injury where he missed 4 games.  So... that left the question of whether he would miss any.  Then we get to the question of whether he'd miss any...

 

5) Reports yesterday from Rap and others that it was just a strain and Josh would probably play through it.

 

6) Diggs's tweet.  Just a piece of the puzzle, but Diggs is sly on twitter so (I believe) it was clear he was saying something about Josh.

 

7) McDermott doesn't exactly have a history of saying "he's fine" when players have potential injuries, so of course he's erring on the side of caution.  The day-to-day designation was at minimum what he was going to call.

 

8  Yes, reports are that Josh won't practice today.  Might not tomorrow either.  That's the part that I could say gives me pause, but why not err on the side of caution?  It's not like Josh doesn't know the offense.  If it's a minor sprain... those extra 1 or 2 days could give the opportunity for the elbow to heal even more... maybe to the point he doesn't feel any pain.

 

9)  Like it or not, Buffalo DOES want (and would really benefit from) having the #1 seed and homefield advantage in the playoffs.  I think the players know that.  And I think McDermott does, too.

 

 

Not a betting man, but I'd put money on Josh playing on Sunday.

[Warriorspikes51]

6 minutes ago, zow2 said:

It's Keenum's job if Allen is out....but if he struggles to execute the offense I can see them giving Barkley a look.  This is not a time to play around.  We are 0-2 in the Division and the Jets/Miami are 2-1 and even with 6 wins.  People are pretty chill about it, but the Bills are in a fight for their playoff lives here.

We were 7-6 last year weren't we?  

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

1 hour ago, njbuff said:

 

Fact is, if Allen misses multiple games, the Bills are going to be on the road for the playoffs.

This regime hasn’t won a road playoff game yet and the prospects won’t be any brighter for the 2022 playoffs.

 

So, if Allen can even throw a little, he’s playing.

 

 

They haven't won a road playoff game more because in 2019 and 2020, the team that beat them Texans and Chiefs was the better team.  Even last year they were about even. 

 

This year if Allen is back healthy by year end and say they do sign OBJ, they are the better team than anyone in AFC.  Doesn't mean they will win, but they are the more talented team so the fact that they lost prior isn't so meaningful.  Prior years that wasn't the case so one piece of data doesn't prove the other.

[Warriorspikes51]

FWIW Von Miller in his presser said he was over at Allen's house and didn't even know he was hurt until doing his podcast and all the comments were asking about Allen.  Von said Allen has been his same upbeat prankster joking around self all week. 

[34-78-83]

33 minutes ago, Process said:

McDermott could be 100% certain he's missing multiple games and would still label him day to day IMO. There's no reason not too. 

Could but wouldn't. Why?, because logic tells us that when McD uses the term day to day since he came here in 2017, it means the player has a good chance of playing in the upcoming game, and if not then for sure the next game. If it were week to week, McD would say week to week.

Edited November 9, 2022 by 34-78-83

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

I think they should sit him at least for one game and let him heal up properly, but I’m sure he’ll be in the lineup on Sunday. Keep him limited. Like 10 posters pointed out, what’s the benefit of revealing his status? Belichick has done this same thing for years. Reveal it when he absolutely has to. The Vikings now have to prepare for 2 very different QBs. If Keenum DOES play however, if Tre white, Milano, and Poyer are active then we def have a fighting chance. Despite what the fools on this board believe, we have a strong roster when healthy that def capable of winning games on their own. This is a team sport.