Bills committing offensive turnovers on almost 16% of their drives, 5th highest in the NFL

[Big Turk]

3 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

They said the options on that play were screen to the other side, handoff, or Josh run with the football.  McKenzie messed up by not falling on the ball.  Josh messed up by improvising to a player not expecting it and not looking.  Thats what happened.  Nobody needs to make up narratives because we were told by the players/coaches what happened.

 

So that was kinda like the play in the Houston playoff game where he is running and tries to pitch it to Knox basically?

[H2o]

Somehow this has to be Beane and McDermott's fault. I can't believe we haven't fired those guys yet. 

[Captain Hindsight]

28 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

 

 

Bills (barring more major injuries or something flukey) when healthy are going to obliterate some NFC team in the SB. 

 

 

 

 

Too bad Miami already won the Super Bowl week 3

 

[Motorin']

49 minutes ago, MJS said:

I don't think it is because they think they are too good. These turnovers seem to always come in the beginning of the games. The team seems to take a bit to get used to the physicality and game plan of the opposing defense. They are the team to beat, so they are getting the absolute best effort from every team, every week.

 

The more and more they play, the more they will get used to being the team everyone wants to beat.

 

Also, it could just be we have players who are a little turnover prone. Bill Belichick always prioritized smart system players who took care of the football and played fundamentally sound, even if that meant sacrificing some athleticism and upside.

 

I think Beane has prioritized upside, but we have some players who lack some consistency and fundamentals. So, one one hand, mistakes are going to be made, but on the other, they have explosive players who can score at any time. With the current cast of characters I think we will always experience a little volatility in the ebbs and flows of a game and week to week. That's just who they are. I'm fine with that, because the upside is so high.

 

For sure, and the team has been loser with the ball in the first half of seasons going back a few years now. As the year grinds on, the turnovers have gone down. 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

still winning football games.

 

5-1

[Malazan]

That's what the regular season is for.. work out the kinks for when it counts..

[HOUSE]

I remember when McD would bench a player after a fumble, remember that ?

I was so proud of him 

[Ya Digg?]

1 minute ago, HOUSE said:

I remember when McD would bench a player after a fumble, remember that ?

I was so proud of him 

So you're saying he should've benched Josh???

[billsbackto81]

1 hour ago, Bangarang said:

Stop fumbling. Problem solved.

I mentioned earlier how impressed I was with the way Motor was protecting the ball last game when making contact with defenders.

 

Watching him fall to the ground with both arms wrapped around the rock made me proud.

[downunderbill]

12 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

So you're saying he should've benched Josh???

 

Should have given him the Robbie Anderson treatment and traded him... Oh wait this isn't a GameDay thread.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Is it time for a “winning like this is unsustainable” post? 😂 

 

There's never a wrong time for that particular wet diaper

 

[LabattBlue]

1 hour ago, LEBills said:

Bills also have not converted on 4 fourth down attempts, have kicked 9 field goals and who knows how many kneel downs for the half and end of game

I would have guessed scoring includes TD and FG’s but maybe I am incorrect 

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

 

So that was kinda like the play in the Houston playoff game where he is running and tries to pitch it to Knox basically?

 

By description I heard it was something similar.  Ill just call it improvising.  Not absolving McK at all here.  Just saying the play options we were told was screen to other side, hand off, or Josh run with it.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

3 hours ago, Mafioso said:

 

The pitch in the KC game was a poor and unnecessary play call, IMO.  The Bills were moving the ball at will until that play.  That being said, I'm not sure it's Josh's responsibility to make sure McKenzie is making eye contact / looking for the ball before he pitches it.  I would argue that it's McKenzie's fault for not keeping an eye on the ball to potentially come his way on a designed option play.  What other purpose was McKenzie serving if he isn't keeping an eye on the ball?  

 

Are we sure that's even in the play? and not Josh doing one of the reckless Josh things?  

 

Jet motion, read-option, with a speed option pitch?  What the hell kind of play is that?

[Billsfan1972]

2 hours ago, mrags said:

McKenzie didn’t even look for the ball after the fake handoff. We won’t know what the actual play was, but it seemed like Allen knew where the ball was going and McKenzie didn’t. 
 

but didnt Mckenzie’s int against the phins end up as a TD? Let’s also not mention his lack of getting out of bounds, or going down quickly to kick the FG. Which isn’t a turnover, but you brought up we’d still be 5-1 and I’m not so sure about that. 

He did not need to get out of bounds what he needed to do versus Miami was turn up field get down as quick as possible and there was plenty of time to spike the ball and set up the field goal. Seeing Butker hit an easy 62 yarder you would think Bass in Miami and humid conditions has plenty of leg to kick 57-58

[Bimmer323i]

3 hours ago, Big Turk said:

Could you imagine how good the Bills would be if they would stop with these silly turnovers?  I was surprised when I saw how much they actually turn the ball over...I am not sure what the remedy is, it usually comes on careless type plays.  Almost like they think they are so good, they can just try whatever and it will still work out.  Like the McKenzie pitch in the KC game...he wasn't even looking for the ball and Allen still pitched it...

 

Only 4 teams with a higher percentage of their offensive drives ending in TO's...Rams, Patriots, Saints and Colts.  

 

The only teams with 4 wins or more that have turned the ball over at a higher rate than 8.8% of their offensive drives are the Bills and Jets.  Scary to think how good they could be on offense if they stop turning the ball over.

 

Bills average an NFL best 6.6 Yards/Play, 7.6 Net Yards/Pass Attempt, Score on 46% of our drives, 3rd to Las Vegas and KC and have the highest Expected Points from offense in the NFL at 81.35.

 

This juggernaut could become even better. that's a scary thought.

 

Yea it almost seems like every game in the beginning we have a stupid turnover of some sorts

[gobills404]

2 hours ago, mrags said:

Tell that to McKenzie 

Bills have fumbled 10 times and he’s responsible for 1 of them. If anybody needs to be told to stop fumbling it’s Josh.

[mrags]

Just now, gobills404 said:

Bills have fumbled 10 times and he’s responsible for 1 of them. If anybody needs to be told to stop fumbling it’s Josh.

Anybody that doesn’t think he’s had issues hanging onto the ball this season is delusional 

[PolishPrince]

1 minute ago, gobills404 said:

Bills have fumbled 10 times and he’s responsible for 1 of them. If anybody needs to be told to stop fumbling it’s Josh.

In fairness anything snap or handoff related gets put on the QB. Chiefs fumble went to Josh. The two miss snaps from back up centers, goes to Josh. How about the INT McKenzie gifts Rams in opening game off his own chest? Also went on Josh.

 

Im not a McKenzie hater, he had a bad game but I dont think he should be cut. Just showing the stats are a bit skewed.

[mrags]

3 minutes ago, PolishPrince said:

In fairness anything snap or handoff related gets put on the QB. Chiefs fumble went to Josh. The two miss snaps from back up centers, goes to Josh. How about the INT McKenzie gifts Rams in opening game off his own chest? Also went on Josh.

 

Im not a McKenzie hater, he had a bad game but I dont think he should be cut. Just showing the stats are a bit skewed.

I don’t think he should be cut either. Just that his offensive opportunities should be limited. At this point he’s going to cost us a game. Leave him to end arounds, jet sweeps, other gadget plays, and maybe some 4 or 5 wr sets. 

[gobills404]

9 minutes ago, PolishPrince said:

In fairness anything snap or handoff related gets put on the QB. Chiefs fumble went to Josh. The two miss snaps from back up centers, goes to Josh. How about the INT McKenzie gifts Rams in opening game off his own chest? Also went on Josh.

 

Im not a McKenzie hater, he had a bad game but I dont think he should be cut. Just showing the stats are a bit skewed.

I’m aware. McKenzie is actually credited for zero fumbles, which is why I still said said he “caused” one. And even if you ignore that one and the bad snap Josh still has 3 fumbles.

13 minutes ago, mrags said:

Anybody that doesn’t think he’s had issues hanging onto the ball this season is delusional 

Anybody who thinks that’s what I said is delusional. I’m pointing that people are trying to scapegoat McKenzie even though a small fraction of the turnovers were his fault. It’s a team-wide issue.

[Process]

So the Bills are 5-1 with the highest point differential in the league while be decimated by injuries, and playing sloppy turnover prone football a lot of the time.

 

Bahahahah. We are scary good and still no where near are potential.

[mrags]

12 minutes ago, gobills404 said:

I’m aware. McKenzie is actually credited for zero fumbles, which is why I still said said he “caused” one. And even if you ignore that one and the bad snap Josh still has 3 fumbles.

Anybody who thinks that’s what I said is delusional. I’m pointing that people are trying to scapegoat McKenzie even though a small fraction of the turnovers were his fault. It’s a team-wide issue.

I’m stating with his 3 turnovers the team doesn’t really have that much of a problem. 

[Dopey]

3 hours ago, FrenchConnection said:

Bills fans are going to spend the next two weeks picking apart stats to find reasons that the team is not really as good as their record indicates. In fact, by the time the next game kicks off on Sunday night, there will be many on here that will be convinced that the Jets have passed the Bills.

Last year it was “we played a bunch of crappy qbs ,our defense isn’t that good “. 

[RocCityRoller]

It's ok to point out that a 5-1 Bills team who looks good can and should improve.

 

The Bills have a bit of a turnover problem this year.

 

Tipped passes are a problem all of a sudden. 11 or so now.

 

They also have a red zone issue (18th in the NFL)

 

As much as the Bills are playing great, they can play even better.

 

Maybe someone other than Josh Allen should manufacture TDs? (Milano 1, Cook 1, Allen 19) Just a crazy thought.

 

They can play super. That is what we all want.

[BillsShredder83]

30 minutes ago, gobills404 said:

I’m aware. McKenzie is actually credited for zero fumbles, which is why I still said said he “caused” one. And even if you ignore that one and the bad snap Josh still has 3 fumbles.

Anybody who thinks that’s what I said is delusional. I’m pointing that people are trying to scapegoat McKenzie even though a small fraction of the turnovers were his fault. It’s a team-wide issue.

McKenzie has 1 official fumble, that kc one is on him too.

 

If it's not an option play, then at the very least he's inexplicably trailing josh when there's blocks to throw. Thst sounds equally as ridiculous as not being ready on an option. 

 

McK dropped an easy one right into defenders hands game one. McKenzie has been responsible for 3 turnovers on 17 catches.

 

Josh is the best qb in the nfl and our best running back, when you touch the ball that much (especially when you dont throw picks) you get a touch more leniency on the occasional fumble.

 

"Mck as a scapegoat" get that tf outta here. 162 yards, I'm sure we'd have no chance at replacing that kind of production 🙄🙄🙄

[T master]

Well they need to have a talk with McKenzie because if he did what he got the new contract to do the game against the Chiefs would in no way came down to the wire the way it did & added to this metric .

 

If all of the players played a flawless game & just do it the Bills would be winners in games like this with a lot more ease than they have been that drop in the end zone would have put the Bills up & they would have still had to play to the end of the game but it would have been a lot less anxiety for all .

[Ethan in Cleveland]

4 hours ago, Bangarang said:

Stop fumbling. Problem solved.

Agreed.  6 fumbles is second only to Saints.  Josh has been a bit careless at times but he makes up for it in so many other ways.  Need to secure the ball.  In 2021 there were 8 teams that had only 6 fumbles the entire season.  Bills only had 7 all last year in really bad weather in many games.  Tighten up the fumbling and they will be fine.  

[gobills404]

32 minutes ago, mrags said:

I’m stating with his 3 turnovers the team doesn’t really have that much of a problem. 

He has 2 turnovers. If you got rid of one of them (so he had as many as 5 other Bills player), they would still be 5th in % of drives ending in turnovers. If you you got rid of both, they would still be top 10. TEAM ISSUE.

9 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

“Mck as a scapegoat" get that tf outta here. 162 yards, I'm sure we'd have no chance at replacing that kind of production 🙄🙄🙄

I’ve wanted Shakir to be the starter since before the Chiefs game but nice try though. McKenzies lack of production doesn’t change the fact you can’t blame him for the Bills turnover problem. So get tf outta here 😃.

[balln]

Someone I think BB\pats or someone in analytics did research on fumbles 

 

conclusion : completely random 

[Matt_In_NH]

Something to work on during the bye week….

[Charles Romes]

Isn’t this just because they have so many plays per drive, with the constant first downs every possession? 

[DCofNC]

In all honesty, I’m not surprised.  I haven’t really seen a “clean” performance from the O yet, I keep waiting for it to bite them in the @$$ and really, only in Miami did all the mistakes cost them.  Give it any excuse you want, the last play was far from the only one they completely blew. 
 

This team and yes even Allen can be MUCH better. It is scary, I hope we see it for the second half of the year.

[Rat-boy]

Refreshing to see some here have found a new scapegoat as the hot take du jour. Thought for sure someone would have criticized Edmunds for not making any impact plays by now in this thread…

 

😒

[BigAl2526]

Unlike some posters, I'm not down on Buffalo doing "cutesy" things down near the goal line.  I think creativity is a factor in what has made Buffalo's offense so potent over the last three years.  I think it is simply a matter of executing plays more consistently.  Occasional mistakes are probably unavoidable, but players need to make plays a lot more than they miss plays.  Josh Allen misses them once in a while, but he makes them a lot more often.  Isaiah McKenzie had a really bad game.  He needs to redeem himself, and if he can't demonstrate he can be more consistent on the good side, his days as the starting slot receiver are numbered.

[eball]

5 hours ago, FrenchConnection said:

Bills fans are going to spend the next two weeks picking apart stats to find reasons that the team is not really as good as their record indicates. In fact, by the time the next game kicks off on Sunday night, there will be many on here that will be convinced that the Jets have passed the Bills.

 

It’s like you are inside @ScottLaw’s mind…

 

[TFBillsfan]

This has been a trend six games into the season. They’ve continue to make self inflicted mistakes being way to sloppy at times. They gave Miami a free TD with the fumble inside the five yard line that ultimately cost them, Balt they spotted them another 10 points with an interception and Singletary fumble.  Rams game should have been a blowout by halftime and opening drive against KC was a weird call and even worst execution. Thankfully they have been able to overcome those things. Hopefully they continue to clean things up.

 

The other early trend is short yardage. It’s very frustrating how they really can’t pick up one yard consistently outside of Josh. They got to improve in this area all around with playcalling and blocking.  I’d like to see more lead blocking by Gilliam at times. We continue to run short yardage out of the shotgun with a handoff to Singletary. It usually takes too long to develop as he’s five yards behind the line of scrimmage when getting the ball and gets blown up before reaching the original line of scrimmage.

 

If they can improve in these areas on offense, it’s going to be a historic season!

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, RocCityRoller said:

It's ok to point out that a 5-1 Bills team who looks good can and should improve.

 

The Bills have a bit of a turnover problem this year.

 

Tipped passes are a problem all of a sudden. 11 or so now.

 

They also have a red zone issue (18th in the NFL)

 

As much as the Bills are playing great, they can play even better.

 

Maybe someone other than Josh Allen should manufacture TDs? (Milano 1, Cook 1, Allen 19) Just a crazy thought.

 

They can play super. That is what we all want.

 

The tipped ball issue is a thing...Herbert led the NFL in those last year with 17, Allen was 2nd with 16.

 

This year he is tied with Mayfield for 12, although Allen has 80+ more attempts, which means he is on pace for 34 foe the year which woukd be more than double his total from last year.

 

Not sure if it's bad luck, him making quicker, shorter throws allowing the DLine to get their hands up or maybe something else...

 

Wonder if someone in the media will ask McD or Dorsey about this...

[RyanC883]

6 hours ago, Billz4ever said:

They need to stop the cutesy plays down near the goal line.  Either run it right at them repeatedly, run PA, or bootleg JA.  

 

agreed.  

[Big Turk]

4 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Agreed.  6 fumbles is second only to Saints.  Josh has been a bit careless at times but he makes up for it in so many other ways.  Need to secure the ball.  In 2021 there were 8 teams that had only 6 fumbles the entire season.  Bills only had 7 all last year in really bad weather in many games.  Tighten up the fumbling and they will be fine.  

 

The one area Allen has really done a great job working on and cleaning up are the fumbles he has the first few years while running with the ball.

 

I can't remember the last time he fumbles on one of those.

 

They used to happen quite a bit.