Special K Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 What do you guys think is the reason for his decreased playing time? Is Ken Dorsey not a fan of him? Is it due to the fact he is in the final year of his contract, and he is not in the Bills future plans? Is there a three way running back competition going on to determine who will be the eventual primary back? Or is it something else? Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 Probably because they had more RBs than healthy O-Linemen last game. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 Singletary, for whatever reason, is in the McDoghouse. He's clearly the superior back (cue the haterz with his low avg per carry because he's been getting hit 5 yards deep in the backfield). But we all saw the best example in Miami of what happens when Zack Moss inexplicably gets two carries in a row for 1 yard. Josh coughs up the strip sack, and we hand the Fish 7 points and the ballgame. 4 1 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydneyBillsFan Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 I believe that he is criminally underrated. Give him 20 carries a game and watch us grab the number 1 seed. 12 1 12 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllin Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 I'd believe that any starting back for the Bills would get the same treatment. I don't see any other starter getting a consistent 15 carries per game. With Josh going to have his 6-10 rushing attempts per game and being a pass first team. Plus splitting carries with other backs seems to be the normal now in the NFL 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 Apparently, they don't think Motor can handle the workload of a full season. Once again saving him for the playoff run. Cook could be a big factor as well if he keeps improving. I think they know Moss isn't the guy, but he's serviceable enough to keep the rotation going during the first half of the season. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 It isn't curious. They don't run much because their run blocking sucks. The only curious bit is why Moss gets the second series every week despite clearly being a less dynamic runner. I don't think Devin is in the doghouse at all. The Bills are not and are not about to be a running team. 5 1 9 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 Would definitely like to see more motor and less Moss Who should be a only break glass in case of emergency back It should be motor and cook 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohninMinn. Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 Singletary is the slowest back in the league. It's time to face facts. 3 3 1 1 2 1 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 He had 18 touches last week. He didn't have that many touches until Week 14 of last season. He was ridiculously underutilized very early last year. For comparison, he had 13 touches against Washington week 3 of last year, so his usage is actually increasing. Josh targeted him 11 times last week. Quiet +1 for the Motor fans, trust the process. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 1 hour ago, JohninMinn. said: Singletary is the slowest back in the league. It's time to face facts. You blurt out a non-factual statement then tell us to face facts?😳🤦♂️ Crack cocaine is a terrible thing, man. Call the Help line.👍 3 9 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 24 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: You blurt out a non-factual statement then tell us to face facts?😳🤦♂️ Crack cocaine is a terrible thing, man. Call the Help line.👍 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 I think the Bills are experimenting too much. Last game Singletary caught about 10 passes...they had all the 3 RBs in the game...I think it messes the rhythm...The Bills need to keep Moss in the inactives and rush the ball with Josh, Singletary and Cook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 3 hours ago, JohninMinn. said: Singletary is the slowest back in the league. It's time to face facts. Reaaaaaaly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjv Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 I truly like Singletary and feel he is a valuable member of the Bills. But for this Super Bowl run season, I would gladly trade a second-round pick for Barkley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artful Dodger Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 In Miami, it was 100 degrees in the shade. If they hadn't rationed his time, he might have gone onto the injured list with the eleven other starters. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 5 hours ago, LeGOATski said: Apparently, they don't think Motor can handle the workload of a full season. Once again saving him for the playoff run. Cook could be a big factor as well if he keeps improving. I think they know Moss isn't the guy, but he's serviceable enough to keep the rotation going during the first half of the season. I am not sure of the situation and don't quite understand it either. But, will agree with this. I also am leaning towards the Bills throwing the ball in warmer weather and earlier in the season and then ramping up the run as teams are thinking the Bills will always be throwing later in the season and in colder weather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 Y’all dogging on Moss, yet he had a 43-yard run last game?! 😄 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 I agree that Singletary is our best actual running back by a good margin but when it comes to protecting the QB that’s where moss shines. When I pay attention to why Moss is on the field I consistently see him putting in awesome effort to block and chip for Josh. Cook has the talent but I don’t see the dog in him that I love seeing out of Singletary fighting for every inch. I like our RB room but would I trade them all for Nick Chubb and Nyheim Hines as our 1/2 punch…probably lol 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 The Bills are a passing team... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TH3 Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 6 hours ago, Special K said: What do you guys think is the reason for his decreased playing time? Is Ken Dorsey not a fan of him? Is it due to the fact he is in the final year of his contract, and he is not in the Bills future plans? Is there a three way running back competition going on to determine who will be the eventual primary back? Or is it something else? Thoughts? Single tray on the hot seat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 Didn't he just have a career high for receptions in a game? He's part of their rotation. I'm sure he's dialed in for certain situations and whatnot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 This happens every game including last year. He starts the first series and Moss always comes in the second series. Not sure why but happens every time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 6 hours ago, SydneyBillsFan said: I believe that he is criminally underrated. Give him 20 carries a game and watch us grab the number 1 seed. I agree. He needs to get in a rhythm. I’m just not a believer of Moss anymore and glad he’s fully healed. He just needs to be sidelined until motor gets hurt. They need to keep working Cook in as a WR/RB hybrid for the short dump off passes. Knox needs more catches as well. It was on crappy game where statistically we beat the pants out of the Dolphins, but couldn’t convert those yards into points. Now that I’m finally freakin home from the airport opening yesterday afternoon in Tampa, I’m interested in who is progressing from the injured list. Some if you asked, so everything is fine guys with myself and three kids. The poor families from Port Charlotte to Naples were hammered by Ian. Sarasota caught some flooding, but Tampa was spared to just some winds and a ton of rain. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poblano Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 19 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said: This happens every game including last year. He starts the first series and Moss always comes in the second series. Not sure why but happens every time Same weird situation happened with the front four in defense, -first series: Rosseau-Oliver-Jones- Miller -2nd: Basham-Phillips-Settle-Epenesa ( has already been affected affected by the injuries) It's a team thing, it's not personal against any player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkScrewHill Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 5 hours ago, JohninMinn. said: Singletary is the slowest back in the league. It's time to face facts. I suspected you were not accurate in your statement .. so I looked up the 40 times from the last 5 drafts for RBs that I know contribute to their teams … and Singletary had the slowest 40 time at 4.66 with the next worse being Ronald Jones and Zach Moss at 4.65. Obviously that is not a true indicator of game speed … but you were not wrong 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 3 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: You blurt out a non-factual statement then tell us to face facts?😳🤦♂️ Crack cocaine is a terrible thing, man. Call the Help line.👍 4.66 40 name a slower staring rb in the league. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 2 hours ago, NeverOutNick said: I agree that Singletary is our best actual running back by a good margin but when it comes to protecting the QB that’s where moss shines. When I pay attention to why Moss is on the field I consistently see him putting in awesome effort to block and chip for Josh. Cook has the talent but I don’t see the dog in him that I love seeing out of Singletary fighting for every inch. I like our RB room but would I trade them all for Nick Chubb and Nyheim Hines as our 1/2 punch…probably lol That's Moss's true value, not as a "power back". Moss is a good blocker and he has reliable hands as a safety valve. That's why he's getting so many reps. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfanatixs Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 8 hours ago, Special K said: What do you guys think is the reason for his decreased playing time? Is Ken Dorsey not a fan of him? Is it due to the fact he is in the final year of his contract, and he is not in the Bills future plans? Is there a three way running back competition going on to determine who will be the eventual primary back? Or is it something else? Thoughts? Showcasing Moss has been my guess, I will be disappointed with any reason other than that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 I don’t see the problem with Singletary, other than he lacks the high gear. Singletary is getting his touches, he is getting a lot of short passes too. He is decent at pass pro as well. If the Bills want to run better then they should be drafting interior OL in the spots the are using for RB, and then draft RB’s where they are taking all their OL projects. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 (edited) There is no commitment to the running game plus the O-line is so used to pass protecting they haven't been good or consistent run blocking. Plus last game was a train wreck with so many linemen out.... Edited October 1, 2022 by Azucho98 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenboy81 Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 8,6,9 is his carries first 3 games. They did this last year and when he got 15+ carries he really started to tear it up at the end. It's hard to get into a groove when you barely get the ball 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st&ten Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 20 minutes ago, Azucho98 said: There is no commitment to the running game plus the O-line is so used to pass protecting they haven't been good or consistent run blocking. Plus last game was a train wreck with so many linemen out.... I was hoping the Saffold signing would improve our run game, I thought he was supposed to be a good run blocker. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 4 hours ago, NeverOutNick said: I agree that Singletary is our best actual running back by a good margin but when it comes to protecting the QB that’s where moss shines. When I pay attention to why Moss is on the field I consistently see him putting in awesome effort to block and chip for Josh. Cook has the talent but I don’t see the dog in him that I love seeing out of Singletary fighting for every inch. I like our RB room but would I trade them all for Nick Chubb and Nyheim Hines as our 1/2 punch…probably lol I know this narrative gets trot out a lot about Moss but I just dont see it. His pass blocking might be more consistent than Motor's but not by some huge margin. Definitely not a large enough margin to take Devin off the field for 2> runs from Moss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 Throw him 10 screens a game. He’s solid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 10 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said: Singletary, for whatever reason, is in the McDoghouse. He's clearly the superior back (cue the haterz with his low avg per carry because he's been getting hit 5 yards deep in the backfield). But we all saw the best example in Miami of what happens when Zack Moss inexplicably gets two carries in a row for 1 yard. Josh coughs up the strip sack, and we hand the Fish 7 points and the ballgame. Good call. It only took 6 more posts for the first of the haters to show up. Every time it looks like Singletary is gaining momentum, they take him out and cool him off. It is strange 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 Don’t care. Just pick one. Make Singletary or Moss the lead back. Singletary is a better RB, but Moss might be the better back for a heavy pass team. Make the other inactive or emergency depth. Keep increasing the James Cook workload until he hopefully becomes our lead guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 10 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said: Singletary, for whatever reason, is in the McDoghouse. He's clearly the superior back (cue the haterz with his low avg per carry because he's been getting hit 5 yards deep in the backfield). But we all saw the best example in Miami of what happens when Zack Moss inexplicably gets two carries in a row for 1 yard. Josh coughs up the strip sack, and we hand the Fish 7 points and the ballgame. He had 67 snaps and 18 touches last week. How is he in the doghouse? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 10 hours ago, Special K said: What do you guys think is the reason for his decreased playing time? Is Ken Dorsey not a fan of him? Is it due to the fact he is in the final year of his contract, and he is not in the Bills future plans? Is there a three way running back competition going on to determine who will be the eventual primary back? Or is it something else? Thoughts? I'm confused with this debate. These are the snap count numbers from Pro Football Reference. 2021 season snap count for RBs Singletary - 60% Moss - 32% Breida - 7% 2022 season snap count for RBs Singletary - 63% Moss - 23% Cook - 15% 2021 FB Gilliam - 13% 2022 FB Gilliam - 26% When it comes to "touches", I have to believe it is more of a game situation than a schemed RB preference. I'm going to stick with my early prediction that Devin gets the lion's share of snaps (55-60%) and by the end of the season Cook will be getting as much or more snaps than Moss. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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