Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, TFBillsfan said: A lot of talk about the Bills potentially adding OBJ later this year. With Carolina signing Blackshear, it got be pondering CMc future in Carolina. What if Carolina continues to tank and a trade could be worked out? Would you trade DS and a future draft pick to make that happen? One could argue we are good at WR. McCaffrey would look great in the Bills backfield. Reality is most likely neither occur. Thoughts? They signed a guy off our practice squad so immediately their best player becomes available for trade? 36 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: This right here ^^^ not that OBJ and his knees are far behind on the injury front, but at least he’s a cheap buy in for half a season…, CMC is way to expensive contract wise, and basically he’s broken, and has been for a while now. CMC is actually quite - not expensive. His base salary for the year is $1,035,000. Only 1 million of his 2023 salary is guaranteed for injury. So its basically 1yr 1M + 1M in injury guarantees and 3 option years at about 12M a piece. It would boost his cap hit for carolina from 8M to 27M though so I'm not sure they would trade him. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/christian-mccaffery-21749/ Edited September 22, 2022 by Bleeding Bills Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcalbillsfan Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 If it was make believe land and money doesn't matter then cmc has a larger impact day 1 stepping into the building. But big contracts for RBs are a thing of the past, trading assets and taking on that contract is insane. If beane did that and didn't win the SB people would be grabbing pitch forks and torches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFBillsfan Posted September 22, 2022 Author Share Posted September 22, 2022 7 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said: They signed a guy off our practice squad so immediately their best player becomes available for trade? CMC is actually quite - not expensive. His base salary for the year is $1,035,000. Only 1 million of his 2023 salary is guaranteed for injury. So its basically 1yr 1M + 1M in injury guarantees and 3 option years at about 12M a piece. It would boost his cap hit for carolina from 8M to 27M though so I'm not sure they would trade him. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/christian-mccaffery-21749/ Nope, it was more about if Carolina continues to lose would they look to move him at some in the season as they look to the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, TFBillsfan said: Nope, it was more about if Carolina continues to lose would they look to move him at some in the season as they look to the future. They need a new coach and a QB - If I'm the GM I'm not trading weapons. Especially at drastically reduced value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 I think enough time has passed for OBJs ACL to finally completely shred for the 3rd and last time. All 32 GMs aren't convinced he would last long on the field....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 37 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said: CMC is actually quite - not expensive. His base salary for the year is $1,035,000. Only 1 million of his 2023 salary is guaranteed for injury. So its basically 1yr 1M + 1M in injury guarantees and 3 option years at about 12M a piece. It would boost his cap hit for carolina from 8M to 27M though so I'm not sure they would trade him. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/christian-mccaffery-21749/ Even if you went with just his base salary, he's at $12M/yr the next 3 years. That is quite expensive for a RB. Would rather give that money to Davis. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Son of a K-Gun said: Isn't McCaffrey due to be injured in a week or two anyways? https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/09/22/christian-mccaffrey-limited-with-ankle-stiffness-in-thursday-practice/ Quote Panthers running back Christian McCaffrey has been added to his team’s injury report. Per Darin Gantt of the Panthers’ website, McCaffrey’s snaps were limited on Thursday due to some lingering ankle stiffness. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: OBJ, by far Did anyone see what Hill + Waddle did for Tuafish? OBJ, yes, at good price/health. Secondaries would just order diapers instead of jocks against the Bills Edited September 22, 2022 by Since1981 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said: They signed a guy off our practice squad so immediately their best player becomes available for trade? CMC is actually quite - not expensive. His base salary for the year is $1,035,000. Only 1 million of his 2023 salary is guaranteed for injury. So its basically 1yr 1M + 1M in injury guarantees and 3 option years at about 12M a piece. It would boost his cap hit for carolina from 8M to 27M though so I'm not sure they would trade him. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/christian-mccaffery-21749/ Okay, but he is broken and not dependable…, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: No chance on any RB not in the final year of their deal, and even then, we still wouldn't likely give up a trade asset for a RB when we barely run the ball, and when we do, Devin does quite well. OBJ is a possibility, although not a certainty. And unless Singletary puts a stranglehold on the RB1 job like he did last season, they're likely to let him walk in FA. Not that they don't like the dude, I'm sure they do, but they don't value RB very highly and will likely always look to have at least one back on a rookie deal. They have Moss and now Cook behind him. They've been waiting two seasons now for Moss to breakout and show he can be the guy they want him to be but so far he's been a bit of a bust. I mean, you can argue that the backs don't get as much of a chance to carry the ball given how often they throw it but you'd think the guy would make a bit more out of the touches he has gotten. But if it's me, and Moss just doesn't seem to take that next step while Singletary continues being very reliable then I'm probably cutting Moss and re-signing Singletary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 3 hours ago, LabattBlue said: Neither. OBJ def. CMC negative due to contract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 either would be overkill IMO. Our roster is almost perfect. If we add a player, I want a short yardage beast RB. Less miles on Josh, and pretty much our only need IMO (basically we need the player Moss is supposed to be) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st&ten Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 What's the over under of either of them playing more than 10 games in a season ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 5 hours ago, TFBillsfan said: A lot of talk about the Bills potentially adding OBJ later this year. With Carolina signing Blackshear, it got be pondering CMc future in Carolina. What if Carolina continues to tank and a trade could be worked out? Would you trade DS and a future draft pick to make that happen? One could argue we are good at WR. McCaffrey would look great in the Bills backfield. Reality is most likely neither occur. Thoughts? I like Blackshear as much as the next guy, but I don't think that picking up a UDFA from from another team's practice squad has much to do with the future of an all-Pro player (even one that gets injured a lot). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 I do see the temptation to try and improve at running back, but is our OL the problem with this? Could we have Jonathan Taylor at RB and still have issues running the ball because we don't create adequate routes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 I'd rather just roll with the guys we have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBillsForLife Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 I don't know about you guys but I would much rather have OBJ lined up outside than Kumerow if/when Diggs or Davis get hurt, like Davis is right now. I wouldn't touch McCaffrey's contract with a 10-mile pole, to say nothing of the fact you would need to give up assets for a RB made of glass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 ………:.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 1 hour ago, 1st&ten said: What's the over under of either of them playing more than 10 games in a season ? Under. Way under. Especially OBJ, who is at-best a playoff rental. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 In terms of value, it's OBJ all the way. That's the Beane move. Trading up for a guy like McCaffrey would be great in the draft... The Bills are so deep, maybe a luxury move like that happens. Probably not, but you never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toyo321 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 6 hours ago, Beast said: I'd rather have a TE or CB than either. We need another Safety. Poyer and Hyde are no spring chickens anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 7 hours ago, SCBills said: OBJ, and it's not even close. Sign a FA WR for a minimal one year cap hit vs Trade for a RB with a huge contract? We haven't even figured out how to use James Cook yet. SCB, I couldn’t have written better. OBJ is not ready til Nov/Dec so any contract won’t be that much and our strength is in the passing game. Cook will develop. OBJ is the smart move. CMC is breaking down just like Henry and all RB everywhere in time. Its not even a close decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerboski Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 7 hours ago, SCBills said: OBJ, and it's not even close. Sign a FA WR for a minimal one year cap hit vs Trade for a RB with a huge contract? We haven't even figured out how to use James Cook yet. This… Christian’s salary is a no go for me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Obviously the Panthers signing Blackshear means CMC days are numbered... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 What a waste of time What a waste of time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, Herb Nightly said: What a waste of time What a waste of time 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Almighty Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/09/22/christian-mccaffrey-limited-with-ankle-stiffness-in-thursday-practice/ look who's back on the injury report 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 18 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/09/22/christian-mccaffrey-limited-with-ankle-stiffness-in-thursday-practice/ look who's back on the injury report Yep 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 16 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Even if you went with just his base salary, he's at $12M/yr the next 3 years. That is quite expensive for a RB. Would rather give that money to Davis. None of its guaranteed though - they're all basically option years. If you wanted you could lower the cap hit in year 1 and add void years or restructure bonuses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 I agree that McCaffrey to Buffalo sounds like a real longshot, but I'd be elated if we didn't have to let too many other good players to afford him. I love CM at a reasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomur67 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 On 9/22/2022 at 1:46 PM, Royale with Cheese said: OBJ for sure. I would be okay if we never ran the ball again and giving Allen 65 attempts. Dang, don't you think his arm would get tired? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 On 9/22/2022 at 1:07 PM, TFBillsfan said: A lot of talk about the Bills potentially adding OBJ later this year. With Carolina signing Blackshear, it got be pondering CMc future in Carolina. What if Carolina continues to tank and a trade could be worked out? Would you trade DS and a future draft pick to make that happen? One could argue we are good at WR. McCaffrey would look great in the Bills backfield. Reality is most likely neither occur. Thoughts? CHRISTIAN McCAFFREY ALL THE WAY I'm going to make anybody who says otherwise be sorry... 23 hours ago, Toyo321 said: We need another Safety. Poyer and Hyde are no spring chickens anymore. Harrison Smith too then... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Trade for Christian and that contract?? No thanks I’d rather take OBJ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 McCaffrey is so overrated. He is the Eminem of RBs. 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 OBJ wouldn’t be that expensive as you medically examine him, give him a workout before the deadline, and pay him for the late Ictiber -February. These guys don’t make that much extra in the playoffs. The majority of their pay comes during the season. Once our trainers get ahold of him, they can get him football ready probably in December. This would be a good push to close the season strong, keep him fresh so a pitch count in December as our schedule is not too bad at that time, and he really cranks up in January. He shows his abilities post injury to be shipped for next year, and we’d have Diggs, Davis, OBJ alternating with McKenzie and Ceowder. Allen will be like a kid in a candy store. Thats the play guys. Why buy an expensive contract to a RB when we are not a run heavy team. We’ll invest more time in developing Cook and relying on Motor. Just my two cents. Way too risky on CMC. Too expensive, too broken down, and doesn’t even fit into our overall offensive game plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 On 9/22/2022 at 1:42 PM, aristocrat said: I'd take OBJ as depth for sure. Kumerow looked good but having OBJ in case someone else goes down is a nice insurance policy At first I wanted nothing to do with OBJ. With Davis out one game, it exposed how limited our WR depth is. McKenzie is good, Kumerow showed last game but ain’t the answer and Shakir did surprisingly little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 (edited) On 9/22/2022 at 1:13 PM, Nextmanup said: A lot of fans here hate OBJ. I agree he's not a super likable guy. WHO CARES ABOUT THAT. I would add him to this team for a fair price in the blink of an eye! It's funny he only isn't likeable by people that don't know him. Everyone that actually knows the guy seems to love him. Edited September 24, 2022 by TBBills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 There is the Tre White - OBJ LSU connection to consider, Just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, BearNorth said: There is the Tre White - OBJ LSU connection to consider, Just saying. But the Bills - Carolina connection is the strongest.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 Apparently there are some people thinking Carolina will trade McCaffrey before the deadline. https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2022/10/06/panthers-rb-christian-mccaffrey-trade-deadline/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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